Author Topic: Why do many parents ship their children off to schools for so many hours (Read 5512 times)

Geremia · « **on:** January 19, 2015, 08:53:44 PM »

Why do so many parents ship their children off to schools for so many hours daily?

Pope Pius XI lists some reasons in his encyclical on Christian education, Divini Illius Magistri, saying that there is

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another tendency, prevalent almost everywhere today, which, under one pretext or another, for
• economic reasons, or for
• reasons of industry,
• trade or
• politics,
causes children to be more and more frequently sent away from home even in their tenderest years…to be formed (or, to speak more accurately, to be deformed and depraved) in godless schools and associations, to irreligion and hatred, according to the theories of advanced socialism; and thus is renewed in a real and more terrible manner the slaughter of the Innocents.

Are these four issues the primary obstacles to homeschooling?

Geremia · « **Reply #1 on:** November 03, 2015, 09:52:20 PM »

It must be the participants of this forum don't ship their children off to "state-sponsored indoctrination camps" (i.e., public schools)?

The moderators at SuscipeDomine, which is really a semi-trad forum, issued me a warning for saying that Catholics who send their children to public schools are sending them to "state-sponsored indoctrination camps":

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I realize that this thread has ceased to remain active, but the moderators have been deliberating (which, given our states in life, can be a drawn-out process) and we wish to issue the following warning:

Geremia, this is a warning from the moderation team to cease with the uncharitable accusations about your fellow traditional Catholics. It is one thing to criticize modern culture, but it is uncalled for to accuse other traditional Catholics of sending their children to "state-sponsored indoctrination camps" or making similar accusations. In charity, you must assume that serious traditional Catholic parents have carefully considered all of their options for educating their children and have made the best decision for their individual family circuмstances. We expect you to understand this directive in the abstract and apply it to future threads that you may decide to participate in.

This is a serious issue to me. Do we seriously share the same faith‽

Matto · « **Reply #2 on:** November 03, 2015, 10:05:52 PM »

Quote from: Geremia

It must be the participants of this forum don't ship their children off to "state-sponsored indoctrination camps" (i.e., public schools)?

The moderators at SuscipeDomine, which is really a semi-trad forum, issued me a warning for saying that Catholics who send their children to public schools are sending them to "state-sponsored indoctrination camps":
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I realize that this thread has ceased to remain active, but the moderators have been deliberating (which, given our states in life, can be a drawn-out process) and we wish to issue the following warning:

Geremia, this is a warning from the moderation team to cease with the uncharitable accusations about your fellow traditional Catholics. It is one thing to criticize modern culture, but it is uncalled for to accuse other traditional Catholics of sending their children to "state-sponsored indoctrination camps" or making similar accusations. In charity, you must assume that serious traditional Catholic parents have carefully considered all of their options for educating their children and have made the best decision for their individual family circuмstances. We expect you to understand this directive in the abstract and apply it to future threads that you may decide to participate in.
This is a serious issue to me. Do we seriously share the same faith‽

I agree that Public Schools are evil and I also believe that it is a sin to send your children to those "state-sponsored indoctrination camps."

I am not married and I do not plan to marry, so I do not have to worry about this issue very much, but it is my opinion that out of a hundred children who are sent to public schools at least ninety-nine will lose the faith and will become evil. I say this from experience because I went to public schools and even though I also went to the Novus Ordo Catholic school for religious instruction I never learned the faith and I do not know of a single person who went to school with me who kept the faith and is now a traditional Catholic. I am alone. And in my city, judging by the number of Catholics who attend traditional Catholic Masses in comparison to the population, less than one in ten-thousand people in my city might have the true faith.

Ava · « **Reply #3 on:** November 03, 2015, 10:13:12 PM »

I am going to homeschool my children if it kills me, but I'm not sure sending a child to public school is a sin if you have no other feasible options. While generally cesspools, there are circuмstances where compulsory attendance laws may not be avoidable for parents who cannot adequately homeschool.

Matto · « **Reply #4 on:** November 03, 2015, 10:19:01 PM »

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I am going to homeschool my children if it kills me, but I'm not sure sending a child to public school is a sin if you have no other feasible options. While generally cesspools, there are circuмstances where compulsory attendance laws may not be avoidable for parents who cannot adequately homeschool.

Nearly every child who goes to the public schools loses the faith and becomes a whore and this is by design. It would be better if you killed your children before they were in the clutches of the Public schools than if you allowed your children to go to those cesspools of sin. If you are not willing to become a martyr over this issue you don't deserve heaven and if you allow your child to go to those cesspools of sin and heresy, unlesss they are willing to become martyrs rather than accept their indoctrination they will lose their souls as well. Every "trad" who sends their children to public schools or even Novus Ordo schools is burning their incense on the altars of Moloch and Baal and Satan and Lucifer and sacrificing their children to these demons.

Cantarella · « **Reply #5 on:** November 03, 2015, 11:00:48 PM »

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Nearly every child who goes to the public schools loses the faith and becomes a whore and this is by design. It would be better if you killed your children before they were in the clutches of the Public schools than if you allowed your children to go to those cesspools of sin. If you are not willing to become a martyr over this issue you don't deserve heaven and if you allow your child to go to those cesspools of sin and heresy, unlesss they are willing to become martyrs rather than accept their indoctrination they will lose their souls as well. Every "trad" who sends their children to public schools or even Novus Ordo schools is burning their incense on the altars of Moloch and Baal and Satan and Lucifer and sacrificing their children to these demons.

I agree. At present time, there is no other choice for Catholic parents but to homeschool their children whatever it takes. There was not such urgency before, when society was a little bit more sane, although the Church always encouraged parents sending their little ones to Catholic schools, but really, are there any true Catholic schools left?

Novus Ordo schools are just as bad as public schools, if not worse! Truly, there is nothing more damaging to the Faith than a water down, lukewarm, worldly version of Catholicism without the high moral and academic standards of the True Religion. The salvation of a child's soul and the supernatural life of Grace in Christ should be the first priority in education but sadly, quite the opposite is true. There is a full indoctrination of Marxist, hyper-egalitarian, leftist ideas, combined with a frivolous materialism and a radical godless individualism. This is what awaits our children in the schools today.

Children nowadays should be educated at home as much as possible. The Catholic home should be a true oasis from the incarnate evil we see all around. The spiritual revolutionary disease has spread as a bad cancer and with its false pretensions of "freedom", "equality", and "feel good" relativism has taken full hold of every single thing in society.

Cantarella · « **Reply #6 on:** November 03, 2015, 11:14:59 PM »

Home-Schooling: Necessity and Feasibility

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Public schools do not allow for God, let alone Catholicism. In addition, such schools may very well be infected with the enemies of God, among which are included: evolution, persistent temptations of un-chastity from half-naked classmates and sex-education, lying, via promotion of functional illiterates, contrary to the Biblical warning in Proverbs 12: 22: "Lying lips are an abomination to the Lord: but they that deal faithfully please Him."

Private schools not affiliated with any religion offer no satisfactory alternative to public schools, even if the former are better than the latter. The admonition below comes from Pope Pius XI:

"It follows that the so-called 'neutral' or 'lay' school, from which religion is excluded, is contrary to the fundamental principles of education. Such a school moreover cannot exist in practice; it is bound to become irreligious." (Encyclical Divini Illius Magistri, n. 79).

Private schools, affiliated with a religion other than Catholic, cannot possibly serve the purpose either, regardless of whether or not the school acknowledges Jesus Christ as the Son of God. This same Jesus said, "Upon this rock I will build my Church” (Mat 16:18). Notice the singularity of the last quoted word; thus this unique Church, founded upon the Apostles and known for many centuries as the Catholic Church, dare not allow the precious mind and soul of a youngster to be molded by a non-Catholic religion.

What about Catholic schools? From my personal experience, and from what I have heard-read-seen, I believe that out of all the United States schools claiming to be Catholic, at most a very small percentage would meet the main criteria of the above Encyclical these days (Spring 2007). For those schools which would not, admittedly some advantage still exists in patronizing them, but not necessarily enough to warrant the expenses and travel. In particular, be very careful in examining the Catholicism taught there, because the Catholic Church in the last few decades has been - and still is - in the midst of a catastrophic crisis (the last two words attributed to the late Fr. John O'Connor, O.P.).

http://www.traditioninaction.org/Cultural/A025cpHomeShool_Mastroi.htm

tdrev123 · « **Reply #7 on:** November 03, 2015, 11:18:00 PM »

It is a sin to send your child to a non-catholic school.

It is prohibited in the 1917 CoC Law.

Truth is Eternal · « **Reply #8 on:** November 04, 2015, 09:18:20 AM »

I attended a public school growing up, and I could never figure out why I was in trouble so often in Special Ed classes since I didn't believe I did anything wrong. I finally figured out a couple of years after high school, I was in trouble in Special Ed so often because I refused to be indoctrinated into humanism-socialism.

The Special Ed teachers I had at school did not know how to deal with me because I did not go with the program, and because of this they just wouldn't help me with math and English like they were supposed to do.

songbird · « **Reply #9 on:** November 04, 2015, 11:30:08 AM »

We home schooled our children with no regrets. We would have regretted if we did not. My husband works in a hospital and knows of family. Both spouses work and they home school their children even up til 10 pm. It is a year round teaching. Large families take one day off, I hear. Sunday is religious education for them.

I agree that to have children in a Marxist system, is loss of faith, loss of souls.

Ava · « **Reply #10 on:** November 04, 2015, 12:14:08 PM »

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Quote from: Ava
I am going to homeschool my children if it kills me, but I'm not sure sending a child to public school is a sin if you have no other feasible options. While generally cesspools, there are circuмstances where compulsory attendance laws may not be avoidable for parents who cannot adequately homeschool.

Nearly every child who goes to the public schools loses the faith and becomes a whore and this is by design. It would be better if you killed your children before they were in the clutches of the Public schools than if you allowed your children to go to those cesspools of sin. If you are not willing to become a martyr over this issue you don't deserve heaven and if you allow your child to go to those cesspools of sin and heresy, unlesss they are willing to become martyrs rather than accept their indoctrination they will lose their souls as well. Every "trad" who sends their children to public schools or even Novus Ordo schools is burning their incense on the altars of Moloch and Baal and Satan and Lucifer and sacrificing their children to these demons.

So if my spouse were to divorce me, and a judge ordered that my children must be sent to state schools, I should murder my children? Is this supposed to be serious?

TheRealMcCoy · « **Reply #11 on:** November 04, 2015, 12:21:58 PM »

Quote from: Ava

Quote from: Matto
Quote from: Ava
I am going to homeschool my children if it kills me, but I'm not sure sending a child to public school is a sin if you have no other feasible options. While generally cesspools, there are circuмstances where compulsory attendance laws may not be avoidable for parents who cannot adequately homeschool.

Nearly every child who goes to the public schools loses the faith and becomes a whore and this is by design. It would be better if you killed your children before they were in the clutches of the Public schools than if you allowed your children to go to those cesspools of sin. If you are not willing to become a martyr over this issue you don't deserve heaven and if you allow your child to go to those cesspools of sin and heresy, unlesss they are willing to become martyrs rather than accept their indoctrination they will lose their souls as well. Every "trad" who sends their children to public schools or even Novus Ordo schools is burning their incense on the altars of Moloch and Baal and Satan and Lucifer and sacrificing their children to these demons.

So if my spouse were to divorce me, and a judge ordered that my children must be sent to state schools, I should murder my children? Is this supposed to be serious?

That's the least of it. There are court orders that children must be in the presence of the adulterous partners of their parents. I've literally read a divorce decree that included a statement that the innocent party was not allowed to make negative comments about the adulterous party to the child, negative meaning can't tell the children that Daddy or Mommy is committing adultery.

CathMomof7 · « **Reply #12 on:** November 04, 2015, 12:24:23 PM »

Quote from: Geremia

Why do so many parents ship their children off to schools for so many hours daily?

Pope Pius XI lists some reasons in his encyclical on Christian education, Divini Illius Magistri, saying that there is
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another tendency, prevalent almost everywhere today, which, under one pretext or another, for
• economic reasons, or for
• reasons of industry,
• trade or
• politics,
causes children to be more and more frequently sent away from home even in their tenderest years…to be formed (or, to speak more accurately, to be deformed and depraved) in godless schools and associations, to irreligion and hatred, according to the theories of advanced socialism; and thus is renewed in a real and more terrible manner the slaughter of the Innocents.
Are these four issues the primary obstacles to homeschooling?

Some people have serious health issues or mental issues or emotional issues that prevent them from homeschooling. In these cases, the children must be educated and public school is about the only option.

Normally, however, public school should be a last resort for traditional Catholics. Sadly, it isn't. A great many so-called "conservative" Catholics don't see how the public school is so dangerous. They are brain-washed.

Ava · « **Reply #13 on:** November 04, 2015, 12:26:31 PM »

Unfortunately I am aware of the type of power family court has. I'm not going to lose custody of my children because some scrupulous internet poster thinks I should do anything (even commit murder) to keep them out of school.

I want to homeschool more than anything and will certainly do everything I can within the law to make sure that's possible, but if I can't, I can't and I don't believe our Lord would send me to hell for it.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #14 on:** November 04, 2015, 01:30:47 PM »

Quote from: Truth is Eternal

I attended a public school growing up, and I could never figure out why I was in trouble so often in Special Ed classes since I didn't believe I did anything wrong. I finally figured out a couple of years after high school, I was in trouble in Special Ed so often because I refused to be indoctrinated into humanism-socialism.

The Special Ed teachers I had at school did not know how to deal with me because I did not go with the program, and because of this they just wouldn't help me with math and English like they were supposed to do.

Could you possibly remember a few examples of this "humanism-socialism" indoctrination they tried on you? What do you mean, specifically, when you say you refused to be indoctrinated into humanism-socialism?

When you say you did not go with the program, what did they expect from you that you would not do for them?
What things did they do in "the program" that you resisted?
Can you recall what "the program" was they were putting you through?