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Why Do Christians Kill for Their Government?
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    • https://www.lewrockwell.com/2025/12/laurence-m-vance/why-do-christians-kill-for-their-government/

    Why Do Christians Kill for Their Government?

    By Laurence M. Vance
    December 5, 2025


    When I first wrote (“Murderers for Trump”) about President Trump ordering air strikes against “narco-terrorists” on boats in international waters in the Caribbean Sea, there had been three “lethal kinetic strikes.” The last time I checked, there have now been 21 such air strikes in the Caribbean Sea and the Pacific Ocean, with 83 people killed.

    The Pentagon has not acknowledged what aircraft the military is using to conduct the strikes, but it is supposed to include MQ-9 Reaper drones armed with Hellfire missiles, AC-130J gunships, and F-35 fighter jets.

    Because there was no search, seizure, arrest, indictment, arraignment, prosecution, trial, conviction, or sentencing; no proof of what exactly was on these ships; no threat to the United States by the boats or their occupants; no death-penalty offenses (although Trump and some Republicans would like there to be a death penalty for drug offenses); no boats were near American territory; and because Trump took it upon himself to be judge, jury, and executioner; I concluded then, and conclude now, that all of the air strikes are simply extrajudicial murder.

    Many of those in the miliary who participated in this extrajudicial murder are no doubt professing Christians. According to the Pew Research Center, 62 percent of Americans identify as Christian. The percentage of military personnel who identify as Christian is higher than the general population. This has been estimated to be between 65 and 75 percent. The percentage of veterans who identify as Christian has been estimated to be 91 percent. That number seems a little high, but the point is simply that a majority of military personnel identify as Christian.

    We can be certain, then that professing Christians were involved in the extrajudicial murder of the people on these boats. Just like we can be certain that professing Christians help to carry out the death and destruction meted out by the U.S. military in Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Korea, and all the minor military operations that the U.S. military has been involved in since World War II: Bosnia, Libya, Syria, Somalia, Yemen, Panama, Somalia.

    So, my question is a simple one: Why do Christians kill for their government?

    Christians are told to “obey God rather than men” (Acts 5:29), to “recompense to no man evil for evil” (Romans 12:17), to “live peaceably with all men” (Romans 12:18), to not kill (Romans 13:9), to not “render evil for evil unto any man; but ever follow that which is good” (1 Thessalonians 5:15), and that “the weapons of our warfare are not carnal” (2 Corinthians 10:4).

    So, why do Christians join the military and so easily and callously kill for their government?

    There is no draft. There is no universal military service. No American is forced to join the military and kill on command. The fact that the Bible admonishes Christians to “submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord’s sake” (1 Peter 2:13) and to “let every soul be subject unto the higher powers” (Romans 13:1) has nothing to do with anything.

    If the government were to come to a Christian and say: “Put on this uniform, take this gun, go to such and such address across town, and start shooting people,” I can’t imagine any Christian not being horrified and refusing to do it. But if the government comes to a Christian and says: “If you voluntarily, of your own freewill, join the military, you will be required to put on a uniform, take a gun, go to such and such country, and start shooting people,” then Christians line up at their local military recruiter’s office and say “sign me up.” Why is it that Christians will defend the foreign military action by saying “I was just following orders,” but not the domestic one?
    Isn’t it strange that Americans only object to the “I was just following orders” defense—a defense that was used to no avail by nαzιs at Nuremberg—when soldiers from other countries attempt to use it?

    Christian soldiers who kill for their government are guilty of idolatry. “Thou shalt have no other gods before me” (Exodus 20:3), the Bible says. They have made a god out of the state. They think the state can sanctify murder.

    The U.S. military is a giant killing machine. Christians who join the military will be expected to unconditionally follow orders and kill on command to help carry out the U.S. government’s reckless, belligerent, and interventionist U.S. foreign policy. They will not be defending America or its freedoms.

    No Christian should kill for his government. No matter how loud the government screams “narco-terrorist.”



    Laurence M. Vance [send him mail] writes from central Florida. He is the author of ; War, Christianity, and the State: Essays on the Follies of Christian Militarism; ; , and many other books. His newest book is .

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    • Quote from: Mat183 on Today at 12:05:30 PM
    President Trump ordering air strikes against “narco-terrorists” on boats in international waters
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    Good. Governments have the obligation to kill pirates and other criminals, even on the open seas. In normal times, the British government had a law that admirals were allowed to put pirates to death when they were caught, without shipping them to England. Admirals had legal jurisdiction to hang them. That is how a normal government operates.
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    • Quote from: Yeti on Today at 01:56:50 PM
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    Good. Governments have the obligation to kill pirates and other criminals, even on the open seas. In normal times, the British government had a law that admirals were allowed to put pirates to death when they were caught, without shipping them to England. Admirals had legal jurisdiction to hang them. That is how a normal government operates.
    I suppose the butchers apron 🇬🇧 had rights to kill and subjugate more than just pirates? 🤣 the problem with that philosophy is you will eventually meet someone bigger and badder than you and all of the sudden you get bombed into submission and big Murica has to bail you out. They still haven’t recovered from that little war with Germany 🤔 in fact that totally failed empire has done what all failed empires do and is now turning on their own citizens.
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    • Quote from: Yeti on Today at 01:56:50 PM
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    Good. Governments have the obligation to kill pirates and other criminals, even on the open seas. In normal times, the British government had a law that admirals were allowed to put pirates to death when they were caught, without shipping them to England. Admirals had legal jurisdiction to hang them. That is how a normal government operates.
    I agree with you Yeti. Why was this concern not brought up when Obama routinely killed innocent civilians with his bombing? 
    see this:
    https://harvardpolitics.com/obama-war-criminal/

    During his presidency, Obama approved the use of 563 drone strikes that killed approximately 3,797 people. In fact, Obama authorized 54 drone strikes alone in Pakistan during his first year in office. One of the first CIA drone strikes under President Obama was at a funeral, murdering as many as 41 Pakistani civilians. The following year, Obama led 128 CIA drone strikes in Pakistan that killed at least 89 civilians.

    Why is it being brought up now? Because the revolutionary satanists are trying to foment cινιℓ ωαr in the U.S. and part of that is their attack on Pete Hegseth and the Commander in Chief by trying to get soldiers to disobey the chain of command. Same playbook used in other CIA regeme change plots.
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    « Reply #4 on: Today at 02:36:42 PM »
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    • Pete "Kill 'em all" Hegseth is making big news. Big enough to distract from Epstein?:popcorn:
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    • Quote from: Cera on Today at 02:26:44 PM
    I agree with you Yeti. Why was this concern not brought up when Obama routinely killed innocent civilians with his bombing?
    see this:
    https://harvardpolitics.com/obama-war-criminal/

    During his presidency, Obama approved the use of 563 drone strikes that killed approximately 3,797 people. In fact, Obama authorized 54 drone strikes alone in Pakistan during his first year in office. One of the first CIA drone strikes under President Obama was at a funeral, murdering as many as 41 Pakistani civilians. The following year, Obama led 128 CIA drone strikes in Pakistan that killed at least 89 civilians.

    Why is it being brought up now? Because the revolutionary satanists are trying to foment cινιℓ ωαr in the U.S. and part of that is their attack on Pete Hegseth and the Commander in Chief by trying to get soldiers to disobey the chain of command. Same playbook used in other CIA regeme change plots.
    Where was the pushback? The media I was consuming at the time all Christian outlets fought Obama every inch…… if you’re talking about television media, I have no clue I haven’t watched T.v or read a newspaper in 10 years. And that is normal for millennials and down. Everyone knows Obama was the devil.
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    • Quote from: Michaelknoxville on Today at 02:14:19 PM
    I suppose the butchers apron 🇬🇧 had rights to kill and subjugate more than just pirates? 🤣 the problem with that philosophy is you will eventually meet someone bigger and badder than you and all of the sudden you get bombed into submission and big Murica has to bail you out. They still haven’t recovered from that little war with Germany 🤔 in fact that totally failed empire has done what all failed empires do and is now turning on their own citizens.
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    You are confusing the punishment of criminals with warfare. Those are two different things.
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    • Quote from: Yeti on Today at 06:31:10 PM
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    You are confusing the punishment of criminals with warfare. Those are two different things.
    Well that all depends on how you interpret crimes. And whom interprets the crime. And last I knew selling drugs was not a death penalty. That is the excuse they seem to be using.
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