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Traditional Catholic Faith => Catholic Living in the Modern World => Topic started by: Student of Qi on March 14, 2018, 10:53:23 AM
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So, there has been some popular threads as of late on the subject of what is and is not considered modest. Another in the anonymous section blasts high heel shoes. Can someone explain why they are considered "slutty"? I don't understand...
Among the girls I've known to wear them, it's mostly to make themselves look taller due to their stature. And personally, I think it has good aesthetic if they pair it well with their dress. However, most often they don't use them because it can be a hassle/pain to wear, so maybe on just special occasions.
Due to some folks having "foot fetish" I guess the prohibition of heels is understandable, but then what of sandals? Sandals don't stretch the foot out, but certainly do expose most of the feet. Some women even wear flip-flops! (Now those I find distasteful.)
Maybe I'm desensitized or something, but I've never thought these below were much of a problem?
Anyone?
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So, there has been some popular threads as of late on the subject of what is and is not considered modest. Another in the anonymous section blasts high heel shoes. Can someone explain why they are considered "slutty"? I don't understand...
Among the girls I've known to wear them, it's mostly to make themselves look taller due to their stature. And personally, I think it has good aesthetic if they pair it well with their dress. However, most often they don't use them because it can be a hassle/pain to wear, so maybe on just special occasions.
Due to some folks having "foot fetish" I guess the prohibition of heels is understandable, but then what of sandals? Sandals don't stretch the foot out, but certainly do expose most of the feet. Some women even wear flip-flops! (Now those I find distasteful.)
Maybe I'm desensitized or something, but I've never thought these below were much of a problem?
Anyone?
Google "prostitute shoes", look at "images" not webpages, and you should understand.
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So, there has been some popular threads as of late on the subject of what is and is not considered modest. Another in the anonymous section blasts high heel shoes. Can someone explain why they are considered "slutty"? I don't understand...
Among the girls I've known to wear them, it's mostly to make themselves look taller due to their stature. And personally, I think it has good aesthetic if they pair it well with their dress. However, most often they don't use them because it can be a hassle/pain to wear, so maybe on just special occasions.
Due to some folks having "foot fetish" I guess the prohibition of heels is understandable, but then what of sandals? Sandals don't stretch the foot out, but certainly do expose most of the feet. Some women even wear flip-flops! (Now those I find distasteful.)
Maybe I'm desensitized or something, but I've never thought these below were much of a problem?
Anyone?
Outside of mass, during the whole week, do you and/or your daughters wear short shorts, blue jeans, tank tops, yoga pants, spandex leggings and such?
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Outside of mass, during the whole week, do you and/or your daughters wear short shorts, blue jeans, tank tops, yoga pants, spandex leggings and such?
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Mister, I ain't even 20 yet! Having little ones of my own sounds appealing but, no, they don't because I have none!
I only wear blue-jeans once in a while, own only one pair, but they are the dark blue kind. Blue jeans are propperly work pants, so faded or ripped is just stupid in my opinion. When not wearing those I use cotton pants or the like Dickie's work pants, for example. I never use shorts unless it is in the privacy of my own home When I leave the house it's with a button up shirt and over half the time it's a long sleeved one.
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Should I also mention I'm always wearing boots? Don't worry, I keep a black pair that I polish just for Sundays or being out and about. 🤠
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Mister, I ain't even 20 yet! Having little ones of my own sounds appealing but, no, they don't because I have none!
I only wear blue-jeans once in a while, own only one pair, but they are the dark blue kind. Blue jeans are propperly work pants, so faded or ripped is just stupid in my opinion. When not wearing those I use cotton pants or the like Dickie's work pants, for example. I never use shorts unless it is in the privacy of my own home When I leave the house it's with a button up shirt and over half the time it's a long sleeved one.
So, by gender you listed on CI and what you have said here, you are man who likes to wear stiletto high heels and you wear pants with no holes in them.
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So, by gender you listed on CI and what you have said here, you are man who likes to wear stiletto high heels and you wear pants with no holes in them.
Okayyyyy.... You'v lost me.... how/where did I say I wear Stilettos? I really never wear anything other then Wolverine and Ariate work or western boots, except when I'm outdoors and barefoot on the gravel.
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Google "prostitute shoes", look at "images" not webpages, and you should understand.
Well, I get it now. But, I don't ever recall anyone ever wearing anything that extreme to Mass. The heels I'm used to seeing are a simple solid color with what seem to be shorter heels. I definitely would disaprove of wearing something like what I've just seen, plus I would hate to think of how one's stumps would feel having something like that on all day. Crazy...
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A "slutty" shoe is in the eye of the beholder. Some folks here have very odd opinions about how a woman should/not dress.
A discussion on "slutty" socks will be next no doubt.
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Okayyyyy.... You'v lost me.... how/where did I say I wear Stilettos? I really never wear anything other then Wolverine and Ariate work or western boots, except when I'm outdoors and barefoot on the gravel.
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I misread your OP from the very beginning till and thought you were a woman. Then I noticed that you list yourself as a man and asked you if your wore stilettos.
I apologize for the confusion.
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A "slutty" shoe is in the eye of the beholder. Some folks here have very odd opinions about how a woman should/not dress.
A discussion on "slutty" socks will be next no doubt.
I believe I agree with this. Different people are affected by different things and to different degrees.
I remember reading an excerpt from somewhere a long time ago about an abbot and some if his monks walking down the road. As they went on their way they were passed by a group of ladies (no mention if they were dressed provocatively). All the monks cast their eyes away or to the ground for fear of being tempted. When the women had passed them by the monks began questioning their superior asking "Why did you not turn away? Have you not fear of being tempted?" To which he responded something like "While all you see is an occasion of sin, I see another one of God's wonderous works, and a creature who God wants to share his Love with."
Somethings are indeed unacceptable, but other things are a matter of perspective/opinion, I guess.
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Well, I get it now. But, I don't ever recall anyone ever wearing anything that extreme to Mass. The heels I'm used to seeing are a simple solid color with what seem to be shorter heels. I definitely would disaprove of wearing something like what I've just seen, plus I would hate to think of how one's stumps would feel having something like that on all day. Crazy...
If you look more closely at the Google search you did, you will see some which are strikingly similar to the ones you posted which you think are o.k.
They are not o.k.
Be careful the type women you look at, son, especially the ones you consider for marriage. That is, of course, if you want to rear proper children.
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A "slutty" shoe is in the eye of the beholder.
I guess Google's "beholder eye" judges them to be for prostitutes.
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I misread your OP from the very beginning till and thought you were a woman. Then I noticed that you list yourself as a man and asked you if your wore stilettos.
I apologize for the confusion.
Oh, no problem. Maybe I should've written more clearly, too.
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A "slutty" shoe is in the eye of the beholder. Some folks here have very odd opinions about how a woman should/not dress.
A discussion on "slutty" socks will be next no doubt.
M, I generally agree with you, but in this case you are wrong.
Google, as I recommended. Those are slutty, no question about it.
I have seen ladies at my chapel wear modest clothing except when it comes to their shoes. ugh!! The contrast is amazing. Makes me wonder what they wear those shoes with during the week.
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Google is not my oracle. Just because Google says it does not mean I believe it, I put my trust elsewhere.
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Google is not my oracle. Just because Google says it does not mean I believe it, I put my trust elsewhere.
Yet, you approve of the shoes that they list as Prostitute Shoes. Google is the world, the world calls them prostitute shoes, but you approve of them.
This reminds me of when I was like 20 years old (I was a man of the world, not practicing the faith), I would go to a beach where the single young people would go. One day I showed up and the police had come and arrested a bunch of the people for walking around in the nude. There was a hippy guy at that beach that was there every day, and I saw him nude and handcuffed, reasoning with the cops saying:
"There are nude people here from 3 years old to 30 years old, at what age are you going to arrest them?"
They are listed by Google as prostitute shoes because that’s what they are. Like the nude swimmers, some of the Stiltto's are worse than others, "are like 3 year old nudes and some are like 30 years old nudes". At what point do those shoes become “slutty” to you?
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Yet, you approve of the shoes that they list as Prostitute Shoes. Google is the world, the world calls them prostitute shoes, but you approve of them.
This reminds me of when I was like 20 years old (I was a man of the world, not practicing the faith), I would go to a beach where the single young people would go. One day I showed up and the police had come and arrested a bunch of the people for walking around in the nude. There was a hippy guy at that beach that was there every day, and I saw him nude and handcuffed, reasoning with the cops saying:
"There are nude people here from 3 years old to 30 years old, at what age are you going to arrest them?"
They are listed by Google as prostitute shoes because that’s what they are. Like the nude swimmers, some of the Stiletto's are worse than others, "are like 3 year old nudes and some are like 30 years old nudes". At what point do those shoes become “slutty” to you?
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Yet, you approve of the shoes that they list as Prostitute Shoes. Google is the world, the world calls them prostitute shoes.
Google is NOT the world.
So no, just because google "labels" something I am not going to go along with them. I may or may not think that a prostitute would wear those shoes, but it has nothing to do with google. I'll bet prostitutes wear tennis shoes too, but I won't label them "prostitute" shoes.
I am not so worldly as to go along with labels the "world" chooses to assign to a person, place, or thing.
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The shoes are designed to make certain parts of the female body more alluring. I don't know how to say it without becoming too inappropriate. But yeah, it elevates a woman's bum so if she were to bend down it would be more pronounced. But I think most older women wear those high heel shoes that look like pilgrim shoes so I guess they would be okay.
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A classic pump no more than 3 inches heel such as in the attached image is fine:
More than 3 inches high and you are entering slutty territory, in my opinion.
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A classic pump no more than 3 inches heel such as in the attached image is fine:
More than 3 inches high and you are entering slutty territory, in my opinion.
Yes, I too think these are okay. These I think are a bit more usual.
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More than 3 inches high and you are entering slutty territory, in my opinion.
Why tread the edge of slutty?
I do not allow more than 2 inch heels, and only on older teens.
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Yes, I too think these are okay.
Compared to prostitute shoes, these are great! But why do we compare to the lowest level? We should lift on high. Compare to Our Blessed Mother instead. Can you imagine our Blessed Mother wearing such shoes? I cant.
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Google is not my oracle. Just because Google says it does not mean I believe it, I put my trust elsewhere.
Of course not!
But, the Google search shows what is commonly accepted as prostitute-like.
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The shoes are designed to make certain parts of the female body more alluring. I don't know how to say it without becoming too inappropriate. But yeah, it elevates a woman's bum so if she were to bend down it would be more pronounced. But I think most older women wear those high heel shoes that look like pilgrim shoes so I guess they would be okay.
Exactly, Fr. Ken Novak, SSPX, mentioned similar arguments a couple of years ago.
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The shoes are designed to make certain parts of the female body more alluring. I don't know how to say it without becoming too inappropriate. But yeah, it elevates a woman's bum so if she were to bend down it would be more pronounced. But I think most older women wear those high heel shoes that look like pilgrim shoes so I guess they would be okay.
Hm, that's a point. But, I must say... I've never noticed...until now.
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Hm, that's a point. But, I must say... I've never noticed...until now.
Yes, sometimes ignorance is bliss...
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Google is NOT the world.
So no, just because google "labels" something I am not going to go along with them. I may or may not think that a prostitute would wear those shoes, but it has nothing to do with google. I'll bet prostitutes wear tennis shoes too, but I won't label them "prostitute" shoes.
I am not so worldly as to go along with labels the "world" chooses to assign to a person, place, or thing.
Men who wear skinny jeans can say the same, but it does not change the fact that they look like they are homos, and the homos think that they are "available".
If it looks like a duck... it is a duck. If you learned anything new today, I hope it is this : Be advised that people think that women who wear the shoes pictured in the Google search "prostitute shoes" are loose women.
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Men who wear skinny jeans can say the same, but it does not change the fact that they look like they are homos, and the homos think that they are "available".
If it looks like a duck... it is a duck. If you learned anything new today, I hope it is this : Be advised that people think that women who wear the shoes pictured in the Google search "prostitute shoes" are loose women.
According to cantarella, heels over 3 inches is entering slutty territory.
I don't believe heel height is the only factor in a "prostitute" shoe. Some flats look the same, just flat. I believe it's a modification of the prostitute shoe to make it more acceptable to all.
Desensitization is the name of the fashion game.
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According to cantarella, heels over 3 inches is entering slutty territory.
I don't believe heel height is the only factor in a "prostitute" shoe. Some flats look the same, just flat. I believe it's a modification of the prostitute shoe to make it more acceptable to all.
Desensitization is the name of the fashion game.
I agree with Cantarella as far as the heel height which is the only aspect of "prostitute shoes" that she is addressing. ( I think I have agreed with everything Cantarella has ever written about anything).
And like you say Fanny, heel height is not the only factor in a "prostitute shoe". In the shoes listed in the Google search "prostitute shoes" there are other refinements and additions, like the ankle straps and other things, just look at the pictures.
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High-heeled shoes change the angle of the hips and pelvis, as well as accentuate the calves and ankles. They're calculated to increase a woman's sensual appeal. And the higher they are, the more they have that effect.
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Compared to prostitute shoes, these are great! But why do we compare to the lowest level? We should lift on high. Compare to Our Blessed Mother instead. Can you imagine our Blessed Mother wearing such shoes? I cant.
The BVM probably only wore sandals during life, is that all women should wear now? In some apparitions she was barefoot, should we not wear shoes in imitation of her? We need to be careful and not take comparisons to the extreme.
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Yes, sometimes ignorance is bliss...
Or perhaps SoQ has just been corrupted by Clark putting ideas into his head that were not there before.
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Women, if you have a question about whether any particular pair of shoes (high heels) might be immodest, simply ask your husband or some other man you trust for such advice. Typically, also part of the equation would be what else you're wearing with the heels.
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The BVM probably only wore sandals during life, is that all women should wear now? In some apparitions she was barefoot, should we not wear shoes in imitation of her? We need to be careful and not take comparisons to the extreme.
You miss the point.
Whatever shoes Our Blessed Mother wore would surely not call attention to herself in any way.
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Women, if you have a question about whether any particular pair of shoes (high heels) might be immodest, simply ask your husband or some other man you trust for such advice. Typically, also part of the equation would be what else you're wearing with the heels.
Just think "what would Our Mother wear?"
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Absolutely nothing wrong with this:
(https://scontent.fsnc1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/28577173_10216141323346591_1676860018756399240_n.jpg?oh=c60799bc4b5eef58bcd1c30c2b33175f&oe=5B3CE681)
Mujeres católicas después de la santa misa en los años 30 en España. Vea la alegria y la modestia de su ropa.
Catholic women after Mass in the 30's in Spain. Look at their joy and modesty of their clothing. This is a real picture!
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A "slutty" shoe is in the eye of the beholder. Some folks here have very odd opinions about how a woman should/not dress.
A discussion on "slutty" socks will be next no doubt.
Are toe socks slutty? I hope not, because I like to wear them under my boots, or hidden beneath leggings that I wear as tights under my skirts and dresses.
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Are toe socks slutty? I hope not, because I like to wear them under my boots, or hidden beneath leggings that I wear as tights under my skirts and dresses.
Only if they have sparkles or glitter ;)
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A discussion on "slutty" socks will be next no doubt.
Thigh and knee high socks are slutty when worn with immodest skirts and shorts. It's the sock of choice of harlots who like to prance around half-naked in public.
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Thigh and knee high socks are slutty when worn with immodest skirts and shorts. It's the sock of choice of harlots who like to prance around half-naked in public.
This is too much!!
if you REALLY need to consider whether or not SOCKS are immodest, you have got REAL problems!
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This is too much!!
if you REALLY need to consider whether or not SOCKS are immodest, you have got REAL problems!
No, you're just a dumb woman and part of the problem.
"Fanny" is an apt name for you, as it also means "ass".
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@Crois de Fer: While scrolling down I accidentally hit the down button on your post, I didn't mean to. My humble apologies. 🙏
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Women, if you have a question about whether any particular pair of shoes (high heels) might be immodest, simply ask your husband or some other man you trust for such advice. Typically, also part of the equation would be what else you're wearing with the heels.
This is probably the best comment of this thread.
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No, you're just a dumb woman and part of the problem.
"Fanny" is an apt name for you, as it also means "ass".
What's with you and the name calling?
It is really childish and screams of your being a bully.
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Besides accentuating the calf (which is always visible when women choose to wear high-heels -- you never see them paired with an ankle-length skirt, unless the woman is totally naive about high-heels' intended use), it also re-angles the pelvis as Ladislaus said, all with the aim of being more sensual. Especially as she walks.
It's not attractive to me, because I think the woman is stupid, walking on such stilts in lieu of real practical shoes, and probably worldly, vain, etc. But that's just me :)
They are ridiculously impractical shoes for the women -- vain at best, an occasion of sin at worst. Not practical at all.
I wish I had a nickel for every movie scene where a woman is running for some reason, and has to take off her shoes -- invariably high-heels -- to be able to run at all.
That just shows how they fail as shoes.
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(https://www.cathinfo.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=48281.0;attach=11582;image)Apart from the question of modesty....
these shoes are downright dangerous. Imagine going over on your ankle in them.
Also they throw the hips out and will eventually cause deformity if worn regularly or too often.
Student, these are definitely not childbearing ankles. If you're planning to have a family one day, choose a sensible woman. The person who wears these is definitely not the good Catholic woman you would want for a wife. And you most probably would find her superficial and impractical and eventually a bit of a bore..
I would have liked to have her pins though... without the shoes of course.
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(https://www.cathinfo.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=48281.0;attach=11582;image)Apart from the question of modesty....
these shoes are downright dangerous. Imagine going over on your ankle in them.
Also they throw the hips out and will eventually cause deformity if worn regularly or too often.
Student, these are definitely not childbearing ankles. If you're planning to have a family one day, choose a sensible woman. The person who wears these is definitely not the good Catholic woman you would want for a wife. And you most probably would find her superficial and impractical and eventually a bit of a bore..
I would have liked to have her pins though... without the shoes of course.
Point taken, you're a bit familiar with my studies/practices, and with this in mind I can 't find the wearing of these to be healthy if it misalignes the hips... that'll lead to so many health problems. Thankfully, non of those I find of interest use them! 😉
I understand the reasonings of the other posters, and they are right. But, I do want to emphasize that where I come from girls normally only use them for Sunday or rather special occasions. Growing up I've always seen them as something that adds an extra touch to the festiveness since it's only occasional. And even then it's not always the really big 6" ones.
Thanks, Nadir. This is a consideration that is very relevant and relatable to me and probably makes a bigger impact then the other arguments, as right as they are.
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Student of Qi says:
@Crois de Fer: While scrolling down I accidentally hit the down button on your post, I didn't mean to. My humble apologies. 🙏
No problem.
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Even men who don't have the perversion of a "foot fetish" should find the pic in the OP as immodest and an occasion to sin.
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Even men who don't have the perversion of a "foot fetish" should find the pic in the OP as immodest and an occasion to sin.
Men should find the pic in the OP as an occasion to sin?
What kind of a screwball are you?
No, men should NOT find it as an occasion to sin, but possibly an occasion OF sin, which is why modesty of both men and woman are important.
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Yes, those are hooker heels in the picture. I can't believe anyone would wear those to Church.
I remember going to Mass with my husband and we saw a couple there. The young man was holding the baby in the baby carrier and young mother was wearing hooker heels with a decent skirt.
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Prom time is coming. Nothing but ugly tacky skin show dresses.
Mothers are the problem. Especially my generation.
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I wish I had a nickel for every movie scene where a woman is running for some reason, and has to take off her shoes -- invariably high-heels -- to be able to run at all.
That just shows how they fail as shoes.
Indeed, they're not intended or designed to have any practical purpose ... only to make women appear more sensual.
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The girl on the left is the standard outfit that the "attracting men means I am pretty" girls under 45 are wearing at my SSPX chapel with prostitute shoes with or without ankle strapping. Those airheads would wear cow chips as hats if the fashion industry pushed the idea.
It is just as hard to move around in those tight dresses as it is in the prostitute shoes.
(https://us-east-1.tchyn.io/snopes-production/uploads/images/photos/politics/graphics/derrieres2.jpg?resize=250,400) (https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiztKPuyu7ZAhUIn1MKHXmuCPoQjRwIBg&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.snopes.com%2Ffact-check%2Fbutt-seriously%2F&psig=AOvVaw0iCBVMqgieyLO0hLQeiYqt&ust=1521211172557129)
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Even men who don't have the perversion of a "foot fetish" should find the pic in the OP as immodest and an occasion [of] sin.
Maybe so, but guys like me are so darn dence that nothing would've ever seemed wrong with heels or such unless it's pointed out.... Some of us are just dumber than others... :-X
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Maybe so, but guys like me are so darn dence that nothing would've ever seemed wrong with heels or such unless it's pointed out.... Some of us are just dumber than others... :-X
You are neither dense nor dumb.
You were ignorant and no longer are.
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The girl on the left is the standard outfit that the "attracting men means I am pretty" girls under 45 are wearing at my SSPX chapel with prostitute shoes with or without ankle strapping. Those airheads would wear cow chips as hats if the fashion industry pushed the idea.
It is just as hard to move around in those tight dresses as it is in the prostitute shoes.
LT, while you are right, and the girls (even the married mothers) wear the same thing at my sspx chapel, posting photos of what should not be worn is not good as it can be an occasion of sin for some. Descriptions are certainly sufficient. Let's maintain a modicuм of decency on this supposedly Catholic website, eh?
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The term "high heels" is subjective and wearing high heels is not bad. The notion that they are bad is puritanical and was probably a notion taken by some "holier than thou" trad to show that they are, well, holy. High heels on little girls and adolescents is inappropriate as it encourages them to lose their innocence. Ask any mother who has had a few children what they think about heels… They will probably tell you never again!
Bottom line, if you like 'em, wear 'em, and if you don't, MYOB.
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Men should find the pic in the OP as an occasion to sin?
What kind of a screwball are you?
No, men should NOT find it as an occasion to sin, but possibly an occasion OF sin, which is why modesty of both men and woman are important.
I meant "occasion OF sin".
My mind thought "of" but my hands typed "to".
Anyone with average reasoning skills could have figured that out. So you either lack reasoning skills or you further demonstrate your "fanny" tactics of belittling.
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What kind of a screwball are you?
You speak to a man like that and then expect to be treated like a princess?
Your conduct is not precisely that of a "delicate flower".
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You speak to a man like that and then expect to be treated like a princess?
Your conduct is not precisely that of a "delicate flower".
You are right. I lost my patience. I apologoze, CdF.
LT is right, too. I should ignore CdF.
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The term "high heels" is subjective and wearing high heels is not bad. - true, but we are not talking about subjective "high heels", we are talking about objective precise Prostitute shoes like in the Google search (see the pictures).
The notion that they are bad is puritanical and was probably a notion taken by some "holier than thou" trad to show that they are, well, holy....- from here on everything you write does not mean anything , because you are not talking about the precise subject.
See my reply in red. The second posting on this thread explains to: Google "prostitute shoes", look at "images" not webpages, and you should understand.
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You are right. I lost my patience. I apologoze, CdF.
LT is right, too. I should ignore CdF.
"Fanny" :laugh1:
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Maybe so, but guys like me are so darn dence that nothing would've ever seemed wrong with heels or such unless it's pointed out.... Some of us are just dumber than others... :-X
You are young and you are here to learn and you are a fast learner. You're doing well!
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Those Google Search "Prostitute Shoes" are identical to what the teen girls (14 year old) and some women up to 45 are wearing in my chapel. Those shoes rarely are the only provocative clothing those women wear, they are part of an ensemble. The ensemble will include a tight dress and lots of makeup.
There are people who are new to tradition and they may learn and change their ways or they may remain where they are, or get even worse, there is no way to know which direction they are going whether up or down, because they are new. I am not talking about those new people.
I am talking about SSPXers that I have seen for years, even knowing their parents for years.
I am talking about women who are mothers in their 20', 30's and 40's who are now dressing that way and are allowing their daughters to dress that way
Those mothers were on top when they were under their parents, but for years now they are heading down big time and their children wanting to wear those fashions are the visible bad fruit of their down hill slide. I do not hold much hope for their children.
The problem at my SSPX chapel is not that there are many bad examples for my daughters, it is way past that. The problem is that there are no good examples left, just one family. There was one other family but they moved.
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From my real world observations, the Prostitute shoes as mass attire is just the tip of the iceberg, and a big red flag that those wearing them are dressing the rest of the week like everyone in the street, wearing short shorts, spandex leggings as pants, yoga pants, tight blue jeans, tight tank tops with belly exposed.........
This is what I have personally seen because I see the same people here and there during the week.
These are the new generation of mothers in the SSPX and their children, mothers under like 45 and their daughters.
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Who is off topic here? The thread is about “high heels” not “prostitute shoes.”
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Not only are high-heeled shoes bad for a woman's spine, hip, legs, and feet because they place her into an unnatural body position, but also because such shoes were created by men (1) to make a fashion statement; (2) to show off a woman's calves; and (3) to make her walk very provocatively by swaying her hips even if she is trying to be modest.
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Since we are on the subject of items that accentuate body parts...what are y'alls thoughts on makeup?? Its another accentuating item, right? Is makeup immodest too? Just wondering your thoughts...
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And what about bras?? Another accentuating item...would a push-up be immodest too, even if a woman was dressed modestly? Sorry for all the annoying questions....
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Since we are on the subject of items that accentuate body parts...what are y'alls thoughts on makeup?? Its another accentuating item, right? Is makeup immodest too? Just wondering your thoughts...
And what about bras?? Another accentuating item...would a push-up be immodest too, even if a woman was dressed modestly? Sorry for all the annoying questions....
Off topic. Make another thread for these, please.
The short answer to the former is no. Makeup is not intrinsically bad, but it's certainly no good when it is excessive or caked on. It's a tool that can be abused, like many other things.
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Depends on the make-up.....
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Depends on the make-up.....
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Look at those red eyes. She looks like she is in pain.
Many women in high heels are also in pain, but they endure it until they can get home and kick those shoes off.
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Who is off topic here? The thread is about “high heels” not “prostitute shoes.”
One and the same.
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Since we are on the subject of items that accentuate body parts...what are y'alls thoughts on makeup?? Its another accentuating item, right? Is makeup immodest too? Just wondering your thoughts...
Would our Blessed Mother wear it?
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And what about bras?? Another accentuating item...would a push-up be immodest too, even if a woman was dressed modestly? Sorry for all the annoying questions....
Would our Blessed Mother wear it?
Also, it is time to take it into the "women only" forum...
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Would our Blessed Mother wear it?
No, Our Lady would not wear makeup. But, of course, she was so beautiful all the time that makeup would only have diminished her beauty.
Nevertheless, even if Our Lady would not, in her perfection, do something, that doesn't make everything she wouldn't do necessarily bad or illicit or sinful.
I don't think that wearing a relatively-light amount of makeup (not the amount that makes women look like prostitutes or clowns) is any more wrong or harmful than taking a shower, brushing your hair, washing your face with soap, putting on deodorant, or wearing some nice clothes. Attending to one's appearance isn't intrinsically bad ... although it CAN easily cross over the line to becoming vanity.
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No, Our Lady would not wear makeup. But, of course, she was so beautiful all the time that makeup would only have diminished her beauty.
Nevertheless, even if Our Lady would not, in her perfection, do something, that doesn't make everything she wouldn't do necessarily bad or illicit or sinful.
I don't think that wearing a relatively-light amount of makeup (not the amount that makes women look like prostitutes or clowns) is any more wrong or harmful than taking a shower, brushing your hair, washing your face with soap, putting on deodorant, or wearing some nice clothes. Attending to one's appearance isn't intrinsically bad ... although it CAN easily cross over the line to becoming vanity.
Agree 100%
I would go further and say that attending to one's appearance is actually an act of charity towards our neighbor. Not only we are always in the presence of God and Our Guardian Angels, we owe respect and consideration to our neighbor, who has to look and interact with us. We need to keep in mind at all times that our bodies are temples of the Holy Ghost and keep them as such, to the best of our ability.
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High heels are not bad, they are just a fashion choice. They are just a pair of shoes.
There are wretched women in high heels but it's not the heels that made them wretched. 8)
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No, Our Lady would not wear makeup. But, of course, she was so beautiful all the time that makeup would only have diminished her beauty.
Nevertheless, even if Our Lady would not, in her perfection, do something, that doesn't make everything she wouldn't do necessarily bad or illicit or sinful.
I don't think that wearing a relatively-light amount of makeup (not the amount that makes women look like prostitutes or clowns) is any more wrong or harmful than taking a shower, brushing your hair, washing your face with soap, putting on deodorant, or wearing some nice clothes. Attending to one's appearance isn't intrinsically bad ... although it CAN easily cross over the line to becoming vanity.
I agree with fanny.
Wearing make up is not attending to ones appearance similar to brushing your teeth. One is vanity. The other is cleanliness.
It is not matter of opinion.
Our Lady is the example by which ALL women should follow.
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One and the same.
Hardly.
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Hardly.
Let me know when you're 60 or 70 if you still feel the same way.
Sometimes elders ARE wiser.
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High-heels are truly the attire of whores, including the kind of shoes of those Spanish girls in the picture of Cantarella.
I am ashamed and grieved to see women wearing it in the SSPX chapel where I attend Mass. Not to speak about the length of the dress...
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One and the same.
Only in your pharisiacal opinion.
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Only in your pharisiacal opinion.
Do you realize that we are talking specifically about the shoes pictured in the OP and shoes listed in the Googlle search "prostitute shoes"? We are not talking about just any "high heels" shoes, which could be 2" - 3" heels.
You are new and you already have only 3 positives / and you have 20 negatives on CI. Are you Catholic? Tell us about yourself.
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Women who are short in stature often do wear high heels, because they feel that they look more normal. So for them, it's not always an issue of immodesty, but maybe more of an issue of vanity.
Women today don't realize, much of the time, that their choices of attire are not modest. We can, however, offer an example to them of what modesty looks like, especially when attending Mass.
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Women who are short in stature often do wear high heels, because they feel that they look more normal. So for them, it's not always an issue of immodesty, but maybe more of an issue of vanity.
My Mom was 5' tall. She wore high heels when she dressed up, and she did other tricks to look taller (like vertical stripes make you look taller, horizontal make you look shorter, high hair, one color tops and bottoms make you look taller, different color tops and bottoms make you look shorter). HOWEVER, she wore regular high heels, about 3" high, she did not wear prostitute shoes, platform stilettos.
When I was about 23, young girls started wearing prostitute shoes, so the fashion is back in vogue now, 40+ years later. In a very short time thereafter, the men started wearing platform shoes with heels as high as the women, and they covered them with bellbottoms. I was in the world, going to bars and such, so I bought a pair, I wore them one night and returned them. If a fight broke out (very common in nightclubs) I'd be at a great disadvantage wearing those shoes. It was like walking on stilts. Besides, they were not masculine attire. I bought myself some lizard skin cowboy boots for the duration of the women's prostitute shoes fashion timeline.
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My Mom was 5' tall. She wore high heels when she dressed up, and she did other tricks to look taller (like vertical stripes make you look taller, horizontal make you look shorter, high hair, one color tops and bottoms make you look taller, different color tops and bottoms make you look shorter). HOWEVER, she wore regular high heels, about 3" high, she did not wear prostitute shoes, platform stilettos.
When I was about 23, young girls started wearing prostitute shoes, so the fashion is back in vogue now, 40+ years later. In a very short time thereafter, the men started wearing platform shoes with heels as high as the women, and they covered them with bellbottoms. I was in the world, going to bars and such, so I bought a pair, I wore them one night and returned them. If a fight broke out (very common in nightclubs) I'd be at a great disadvantage wearing those shoes. It was like walking on stilts. Besides, they were not masculine attire. I bought myself some lizard skin cowboy boots for the duration of the women's prostitute shoes fashion timeline.
I see what you're saying, but how many women actually wear heels that are taller than three inches? I don't recall ever seeing these so-called prostitute heels at Mass, at either the SSPX or FSSP. If you've seen them worn by a lot of women at the SSPX, then that must be some kind of anomaly.
I actually think that a three-inch heel is quite tall, but I can understand how short women would want to wear that length.
Yes, extremely high heels are likely to be not only uncomfortable, but difficult to walk in.
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Do you realize that we are talking specifically about the shoes pictured in the OP and shoes listed in the Googlle search "prostitute shoes"? We are not talking about just any "high heels" shoes, which could be 2" - 3" heels.
You are new and you already have only 3 positives / and you have 20 negatives on CI. Are you Catholic? Tell us about yourself.
You have it backwards here. Catman was DISTINGUISHING between high heels in general and "prostitute shoes". It was Fanny who said these were the "same thing". To which Catman responded that they're only the same thing in a Pharisaical (aka rigorist/Jansenist) mindset.
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Women's fashions worn to look pretty?
I said before, that women would wear cow patties on their heads if that was what the fashion industry advertised. That contradicts the theory that women wear the fashions to look pretty. I think that most women wear fashion because they are brainwashed by the fashion industry. At least the young women. I say all this because I have seen it all of my life:
Do you think tattoos look pretty? Women have been tattooing themselves since the late 1980's. As always, first come the actresses, then the women follow. (Brainwashed - Just like wearing cow patties on their heads)
When I was younger, there was a woman's fashion (I think in the early 80's ?) of women wearing shoulder pads, wide shoulders. I saw girls built short and wide put on the pads that made them look shorter and wider. They looked like tree stumps. Did they think they looked prettier? (Brainwashed - Just like wearing cow patties on their heads)
How about the pregnant women fashion today, they highlight their bulging bellies with spandex tights or even expose their bellies completely. Did they think they looked prettier? (Brainwashed - Just like wearing cow patties on their heads)
Now they bring back the prostitute shoes, platform stilettos with straps, that is the "fashion". The women look like easy pickups. They look foolish, barely able to walk. (Brainwashed - Just like wearing cow patties on their heads)
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You have it backwards here. Catman was DISTINGUISHING between high heels in general and "prostitute shoes". It was Fanny who said these were the "same thing". To which Catman responded that they're only the same thing in a Pharisaical (aka rigorist/Jansenist) mindset.
You are assuming that. I'll let him explain himself.
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You are assuming that. I'll let him explain himself.
Just follow the thread, man. No assumption.
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Women's fashions worn to look pretty?
I remember my wife and I went to a Novus Ordo wedding (like 3 months before we were married ourselves) and the mother of the bride walked down the aisle wearing a totally open back. When I saw her, I thought to myself, "it looks like an ass", and my wife almost burst out laughing, and she squeezed my arm. I had said it out loud. The women's back was fat and had the shape of a woman's behind. ( Brainwashed - Just like wearing cow patties on their heads)
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Just follow the thread, man. No assumption.
see Reply #63 on: March 15, 2018, 12:26:51 PM »
He has never answered.
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The OP is clear, this thread is about these shoes, not just any 2-3" high heel shoe. On the second posting of the thread, Fanny says to look them up in Google search as "prostitute shoes", and if anyone does that they will find similar shoes.
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Just think "what would Our Mother wear?"
So you go around barefoot?
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So you go around barefoot?
"Fanny" (:laugh1:) and Meg speak the double tongue. They'll defend slutty, immodest attire and false narratives with a feminist slant regarding marriage at one moment, then they'll say things like "what would our Mother wear?" just to give themselves some sense of "Catholic" plausibility.
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Women's fashions worn to look pretty?
I said before, that women would wear cow patties on their heads if that was what the fashion industry advertised. That contradicts the theory that women wear the fashions to look pretty. I think that most women wear fashion because they are brainwashed by the fashion industry. At least the young women. I say all this because I have seen it all of my life:
Do you think tattoos look pretty? Women have been tattooing themselves since the late 1980's. As always, first come the actresses, then the women follow. (Brainwashed - Just like wearing cow patties on their heads)
When I was younger, there was a woman's fashion (I think in the early 80's ?) of women wearing shoulder pads, wide shoulders. I saw girls built short and wide put on the pads that made them look shorter and wider. They looked like tree stumps. Did they think they looked prettier? (Brainwashed - Just like wearing cow patties on their heads)
How about the pregnant women fashion today, they highlight their bulging bellies with spandex tights or even expose their bellies completely. Did they think they looked prettier? (Brainwashed - Just like wearing cow patties on their heads)
Now they bring back the prostitute shoes, platform stilettos with straps, that is the "fashion". The women look like easy pickups. They look foolish, barely able to walk. (Brainwashed - Just like wearing cow patties on their heads)
I agree with this post.
As I've often quoted, the Catholic Faith is the only thing that saves each of us from the supreme degradation of being a child of our age -- and that includes the ridiculous fashions that come up, decade after decade, which even the worldlings laugh at just a couple decades later.
The 70's I need give no examples. I think 70's fashion was designed with the "nostalgia aftermarket" in mind, rather than the original wearers. In other words, I bet they sold 10X as many bell bottoms to later generations to be hip, retro, or to wear as costumes on "70's night" than they ever sold as "normal pants" during the 1970's. At least it's gotta be very close.
The 80's you had "big hair", short (mid-thigh length) shorts for the guys, blue eyeshadow for the ladies, etc.
People walked around with those fashions with a straight face in the decade they were popular, but today they can only be worn out of irony, to play around ("it's 80's day!") and so forth.
But here's my point: There were mature adults, serious Catholics, etc. who mocked and rejected these fashions even in their home decade. They cut out the middleman; they don't wait 1 or 2 decades to say "it's a bunch of nonsense" -- they call nonsense the moment they see it, and never get on board.
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One of my favorite quotes (given above) is apparently from Chesterton:
[The Catholic Church] is the only thing that frees a man from the degrading slavery of being a child of his age.”
Another good one, appropriate for this discussion:
“A dead thing can go with the stream, but only a living thing can go against it.” It is so easy to go along with the culture. It takes fortitude and fire to go against it.
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Women's fashions worn to look pretty?
Obviously that's only true to a point. Certainly, it's quite evident that a woman wouldn't be walking around in public in just a bikini to look pretty. But I'm talking about areas in which women may not understand how it might affect a man ... where they wouldn't be wearing something to appeal to a man (because they wouldn't be aware that it even does). So, for instance, on the subject of high-heeled shoes, many women would not be aware of how these might induce a state of arousal in some men. And I personally find most high heels to be UNattractive and rather ugly/tacky. But they bring attention to themselves this way, and they're almost always seeking attention ... which is contrary to the attitude you're supposed to have in Church, that the focus should be on God and not on YOU. But many don't know that the attention might involve a certain amount of sɛҳuąƖ interest from men.
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Maybe so, but guys like me are so darn dence that nothing would've ever seemed wrong with heels or such unless it's pointed out.... Some of us are just dumber than others... :-X
You aren't dense, but human beings are very out of touch with our instincts. High heels like this work their "magic" on many people's baser instincts even if they do not understand why. I would bet there are many millions of men who are very attracted to these without being able to explain why or even caring to know the explanations why. Women readily speak of these shoes as sexy but could they explain what about them increases sensuality? I don't know. I'd bet many couldn't. And that's part of the reason we have such trouble figuring out what is or is not modest, we aren't able/willing to learn the basic principles behind certain styles.
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The term "high heels" is subjective and wearing high heels is not bad. The notion that they are bad is puritanical and was probably a notion taken by some "holier than thou" trad to show that they are, well, holy. High heels on little girls and adolescents is inappropriate as it encourages them to lose their innocence. Ask any mother who has had a few children what they think about heels… They will probably tell you never again!
Bottom line, if you like 'em, wear 'em, and if you don't, MYOB.
I find it odd that you think little girls and adolescents will lose their innocence by wearing high heels, while seeming to deny high heels are sɛҳuąƖ and inappropriate for women striving for modesty. I'm not quite following.
Even so, there is no need to take nutty, puritanical, holier-than-thou trad Catholics' word for it. The world has no qualms proudly admitting everything that has been stated in this topic. They think this is good. They believe they are freeing our oppressed society from the chains of ʝʊdɛօ-Christian morality. So they proudly proclaim it for all to hear. Or at the very least, many are neutral and don't care either way, therefore have no motive not to be truthful. A quick search will give you the history of how, why and when high heels came back in style for women, as well as study after study after study proving/confirming the sensual effect of high heels.
I have noticed the only ones who regularly protest these truths are the men/women who are living a dichotomy between their Faith, words and actions. These are hard habits to give up so we sometimes prefer to be blind. Ignorance is bliss. Until it isn't.
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"Fanny" (:laugh1:) and Meg speak the double tongue. They'll defend slutty, immodest attire and false narratives with a feminist slant regarding marriage at one moment, then they'll say things like "what would our Mother wear?" just to give themselves some sense of "Catholic" plausibility.
I notice that there are a lot of women, especially aging women, who love to preach modesty to other women, especially to the pretty young ladies, but their preaching does not come from the right motive, this is charity, but from a place of envy and insecurity. Because of this, instead of cultivating a proper Catholic sense of modesty and a correct understanding of the value of chastity in the female gender, these women usually go to inordinate extremes of puritanism, just so they do not feel threatened.
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Obviously that's only true to a point. Certainly, it's quite evident that a woman wouldn't be walking around in public in just a bikini to look pretty. But I'm talking about areas in which women may not understand how it might affect a man ... where they wouldn't be wearing something to appeal to a man (because they wouldn't be aware that it even does). So, for instance, on the subject of high-heeled shoes, many women would not be aware of how these might induce a state of arousal in some men. And I personally find most high heels to be UNattractive and rather ugly/tacky. But they bring attention to themselves this way, and they're almost always seeking attention ... which is contrary to the attitude you're supposed to have in Church, that the focus should be on God and not on YOU. But many don't know that the attention might involve a certain amount of sɛҳuąƖ interest from men.
When I was in the convent, we all wore those 1.5 inch high heels in plain black leather. These were the thick heels that old ladies used to wear, but they were not fancy. I would be surprised if these shoes are still made today as so many convents are now empty.
Cloistered nuns tend to wear plain black sandals (Clarks) or plain black shoes (without heels) that are still available in the stores (Keds and Hush Puppies).
What do the SSPX nuns wear for footwear?
I wear shoes for comfort. Tight, fancy shoes can do a lot of harm to the foot, so as one ages, the bunions and callouses earned during youth make walking difficult during the Golden Years.
Shoes can be very expensive, and they can fall apart if they just sit in their original boxes due to the plastics used in modern footwear.
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Indeed, they're not intended or designed to have any practical purpose ... only to make women appear more sensual.
I can think of one practical purpose, though not one I've had occasion to use myself. Shoes with stiletto heels can be used as deadly weapons. :furtive:
Please excuse/ignore my strange sense of humour there. Seriously, Ladislaus gave excellent advice when he said to ask one's husband or a trusted man. I've had to do that a lot because I was not raised Catholic and had a horrible formation around issues of modesty and purity. I can tell how bad I am at this sort of thing, so I naturally got in the habit of relying on my cradle Catholic husband.
I became a Catholic at Easter of 1980, so I have been a Catholic for 38 years, but I still like to check with him sometimes. I don't think anything can replace a good formation in one's childhood.
One of my favorite quotes (given above) is apparently from Chesterton:
[The Catholic Church] is the only thing that frees a man from the degrading slavery of being a child of his age.”
I like this quote a lot and appreciated seeing it in this thread.
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I notice that there are a lot of women, especially aging women, who love to preach modesty to other women, especially to the pretty young ladies, but their preaching does not come from the right motive, this is charity, but from a place of envy and insecurity. Because of this, instead of cultivating a proper Catholic sense of modesty and a correct understanding of the value of chastity in the female gender, these women usually go to inordinate extremes of puritanism, just so they do not feel threatened.
I agree that there are often mixed motives, and this holds true also of men. So, for instance, men who have strong temptations to impurity tend to be more zealous against modesty.
And, also, as I have pointed out, certain people, especially among Traditional Catholics, are motivated by an extreme zeal that's tied to scrupulosity, the need to impose perfection in general, and not even specifically just about modesty; these would have all women walking around in religious habits at all times.
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I can think of one practical purpose, though not one I've had occasion to use myself.
Never thought of that. I imagine that some of those things could take an eye out.
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Like I said before, in my experience the same SSPX young girls (and young mothers) who wear the provocative clothing to mass, are wearing the rest of the week: short shorts, tight jeans, tight tank tops with belly exposed, spandex leggings as outwear......... I see them about town dressed that way. The way they dress at mass is just the tip of the iceberg. If they would dress like they dress at mass all the time, it would be an improvement!
I write about this subject because I have a lot of daughters and have become aware of the "desease" spreading among the young SSPX girls. These girls are a bad example to others, a bad example of Catholicism. I write because they look like fools, airheads just following fashions like dumb sheep. It is like watching a Jerry Lewis movie, him making a fool of himself, exasperating. I do not write because of the lust it might inspire in men. I write to warn those women of the repercussions that such dress can bring, from men and from God.
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Like I said before, in my experience the same SSPX young girls (and young mothers) who wear the provocative clothing to mass, are wearing the rest of the week: short shorts, tight jeans, tight tank tops with belly exposed, spandex leggings as outwear......... I see them about town dressed that way. The way they dress at mass is just the tip of the iceberg. If they would dress like they dress at mass all the time, it would be an improvement!
I write about this subject because I have a lot of daughters and have become aware of the "desease" spreading among the young SSPX girls. These girls are a bad example to others, a bad example of Catholicism. I write because they look like fools, airheads just following fashions like dumb sheep. It is like watching a Jerry Lewis movie, him making a fool of himself, exasperating. I do not write because of the lust it might inspire in men. I write to warn those women of the repercussions that such dress can bring, from men and from God.
Be sure to complement the young ladies who are good examples, including your daughters. : )
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Oh, and, "you're dressed so modestly today!" doesn't count! : P
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Be sure to complement the young ladies who are good examples, including your daughters. : )
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Oh, and, "you're dressed so modestly today!" doesn't count! : P
When a lady wears a modest dress that looks good on her, it's appropriate to tell her that her dress is nice.
It shouldn't sound like an attempt to get attention nor should it be so loud that everyone nearby can hear it.
An honest complement does a lot of good.
Often times you can see her confidence come out a bit more because she feels more attractive.
Some women spend a lot of money on their appearance.
But when poise and taste are combined it doesn't have to be expensive.
And when that's been achieved, it ought to be appreciated with proper intentions.
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Therefore,
All a man has to do is say nothing to a woman whose appearance might be glamorous yet immodest.
In regards to the thread title, high heels do not constitute successful modesty, but that doesn't mean a lady can't have a modest appearance with moderately high heels, it's just not so easy to pull it off. I think it takes some practice, physical coordination and muscle tone for a woman to wear moderately high heels without looking immodest. If she's out of shape or tired or walking on a too-soft surface, she might have difficulty keeping her balance and that will compromise her gracefulness which could make her appear attractive to someone with improper intentions. She might be able to use this to discover what a man really has in mind, or to find out if he is capable of behaving honorably.
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I write because they look like fools, airheads just following fashions like dumb sheep.
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Like numskulls, dimwits ...... BIMBOS!
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What kind of woman would wear one of these?
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I will confess that I often hear the clod-hopping of women's shoes while saying my prayers before Mass at various chapels. It does annoy me and I think to myself, "will you get some quieter frickin' shoes!". But I just thought it was me. I have sensitive ears and if more than a few people are fidgitting in the pews it's like I'm hearing the load mufflers of rush hour traffic. I've had to stop and think to myself "everybody sure is loud" and they're just sitting there not really doing anything. I also never stopped to try to catch a view of what the clodhoppers were wearing. I was usually trying to focus on the alter or something.
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I agree that there are often mixed motives, and this holds true also of men. So, for instance, men who have strong temptations to impurity tend to be more zealous against modesty.
This is so true, and also important for all of us to understand.
On another Catholic forum, there was a man who was upset anytime a picture was posted of an immodestly dressed women. Oh, how he would scream and howl. He would report any offensive photo to the mods, so much so, that mods were quitting from the overwork. He would start thread after thread about this topic. However, even if a woman were to be modestly dressed, he would find something immodest about it. For example: (1) her head covering does not cover all of her hair; (2) a little bit of her neck shows even though she covers her head; (3) her overly attractive legs should be covered to her ankles at all times; (4) a modest woman would not wear any noticeable makeup (none at all); and (5) even though her dress is not tight, it does reveal her flattering figure, thus, she needs to wear a spring coat.
Such a man really needs to pray unceasingly and to guard all of his senses: sight, hearing, touch, taste, and smell. He needs to stop all pornography, for that is probably his worst sin. Most likely he needs to avoid the TV, radio, and Internet for a time until he gains control over his passions. If he were not married, perhaps working at a monastery for a year would calm his passions.
Later on, we found out that this man was unfaithful to his wife, wanted to have an open marriage, and was contacting women at the forum by PM to arrange affairs. He was banned.
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When a lady wears a modest dress that looks good on her, it's appropriate to tell her that her dress is nice.
It shouldn't sound like an attempt to get attention nor should it be so loud that everyone nearby can hear it.
An honest complement does a lot of good.
Often times you can see her confidence come out a bit more because she feels more attractive.
Some women spend a lot of money on their appearance.
But when poise and taste are combined it doesn't have to be expensive.
And when that's been achieved, it ought to be appreciated with proper intentions.
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Therefore,
All a man has to do is say nothing to a woman whose appearance might be glamorous yet immodest.
In regards to the thread title, high heels do not constitute successful modesty, but that doesn't mean a lady can't have a modest appearance with moderately high heels, it's just not so easy to pull it off. I think it takes some practice, physical coordination and muscle tone for a woman to wear moderately high heels without looking immodest. If she's out of shape or tired or walking on a too-soft surface, she might have difficulty keeping her balance and that will compromise her gracefulness which could make her appear attractive to someone with improper intentions. She might be able to use this to discover what a man really has in mind, or to find out if he is capable of behaving honorably.
In California, there are mandatory sex-harassment courses required of most employees.
If a woman is complimented by a man or woman, this could be considered to be grounds for sɛҳuąƖ harassment.
The rule in most workplaces is only compliment your girlfriend or boyfriend if you are single, or spouse and children if you are married.
The work situation is so bad as are the oppressive taxes that many are leaving California and moving elsewhere.
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I agree that there are often mixed motives, and this holds true also of men. So, for instance, men who have strong temptations to impurity tend to be more zealous against modesty.
And, also, as I have pointed out, certain people, especially among Traditional Catholics, are motivated by an extreme zeal that's tied to scrupulosity, the need to impose perfection in general, and not even specifically just about modesty; these would have all women walking around in religious habits at all times.
Very true. That is why it is so important to always keep strict vigilance over our most inner dispositions and motives when spreading to the world the Truth of Christ, making sure that we do it for the right reasons and not based on our insecurities, troubles, or selfish reasons. Pride is also a common sin confused with religious zeal. For often times "Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers be transformed as the ministers of justice, whose end shall be according to their works."
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Very true. That is why it is so important to always keep strict vigilance over our most inner dispositions and motives when spreading to the world the Truth of Christ, making sure that we do it for the right reasons and not based on our insecurities, troubles, or selfish reasons. Pride is also a common sin confused with religious zeal. For often times "Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers be transformed as the ministers of justice, whose end shall be according to their works."
From my experience a sense of humor is very important. I have found that people who are scrupulous, always lack a sense of humor. Anyhow, a sense of humor is not something you can teach a older person after they are past their teens, if you can even teach it that late.
MY mother once told me that she was glad I didn't go with her to a Novus Ordo mass that she had asked me to go to. She said that the mass started with the priest's procession to the altar being led by a perfect womanly physique 16 year old dancing girl in a tutu waving veils. I looked at her and said; "that does not sound too bad to me, mom!"
My Mom cracked up laughing.
My wife always says, "Yeah, but did you get her phone number"? I always answer, "of course, but that is beside the point". My kids get a big laugh out of it. They get the point with humor rather than with vinegar. I use humor all the time like that with people. But that is just me.
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1. So, for instance, men who have strong temptations to impurity tend to be more zealous against modesty.
2. these would have all women walking around in religious habits at all times.
1. You are SO wrong.
2. What a way to go!!
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High-heeled shoes change the angle of the hips and pelvis, as well as accentuate the calves and ankles. They're calculated to increase a woman's sensual appeal. And the higher they are, the more they have that effect.
And if you're not convinced, here's some "Jєω-science" to help prove it:
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Jeremy Nicholson M.S.W., Ph.D. (https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/experts/jeremy-nicholson-msw-phd)
The Surprising Power of Women in High Heels
Creative research reveals a striking response.
Posted Dec 31, 2014
Today, I would like to continue that topic with the exploration of women's footwear. Clearly, many women care about shoes and take great care to shop for them. Until recently, however, it was not known whether such shoe choices had any effect (beyond perhaps improving the woman's own self-esteem (https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/self-esteem)).
Now we know.
The Science of Sexy Shoes
Nicolas Gueguen (2014) explored the effects of women's shoes in a series of four experiments. In all of these experiments, Gueguen dressed a few college-age women in matching outfits (black straight skirt, white long-sleeve shirt, and black suit jacket). He then varied the size of the heel on the shoes they wore and had them participate in a series of tasks. For those interested in shoe specifics, here are the details below:
"New, black leather shoes were used: one with flat heels (flat heels condition), a second with 5-cm heels (medium heels condition) and a third with 9-cm heels (high heels condition). They were in fashion and considered to be dress pumps that enveloped the sides of the foot, the heel, and the toes, leaving the ankles and the instep visible. The shoes had neither straps nor laces. In the two conditions with heels, except for the length, precaution was taken to use the same form of heels: the top of the heel was 4.595cm2 and tapered to 1.591 cm2 at the bottom."
Gueguen (2014) then sent these women out to perform various tasks on the street and measure the reactions of random pedestrians. In the first two experiments, the women were asked to solicit participation in various surveys on equal rights and dining preferences. Results indicated that higher heels significantly increased male pedestrians' willingness to comply with the survey request (with high heels getting an 82-83% response rate versus flats 42-47%). Unfortunately, however, the shoes were not as persuasive for female pedestrians, who generally responded to the request at a 30-36% rate, regardless of the type of heel worn by the requester.
Experiment three measured the effects of high heels on helping behavior (https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/empathy). The same group of women were asked to walk around in various shoes, accidentally drop a glove, and see whether someone would tell them. Here again, heel length had an effect on men's helping behavior. Men informed a woman in heels that she dropped her glove 93% of the time, versus 62% for a woman in flats. Here too, the shoes had no effect on other women's helping behavior; they consistently reported the dropped glove just 43-52% of the time.
In the fourth and final experiment, the female assistants were sent into a bar wearing different heel lengths. The experimenter measured how long it took for the women to be approached by men, depending on the shoes that they wore. Men again were swayed by a woman in high heels: The women wearing the highest heel were generally approached by a man around 8 minutes after entering a bar, as opposed to 14 minutes for a woman in flats.
Overall then, not only does a woman in high heels appear to be more influential...she is more alluring as well.
Are High Heels Right for You?
The choice of whether or not to wear a sexy, high heeled shoe will depend on your tastes and your audience. Given the research above, if you want to attract a man, persuade (https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/persuasion) a man, or get his help with something, then you may want to consider a high heel shoe to do the job. Even in a business setting, you may get the agreement of more of the men in the room with high heels on.
However, it is important to realize that the persuasive effect of high heels does seem to be connected to their sex appeal. So wearing high heels does not seem to influence other women (unless you bond with them over a shared taste in shoes). Furthermore, if you would rather not use sex appeal to influence and get unwanted attention from men, then heels might not be the way to go.
Overall, though, there does not seem to be a negative response to wearing high heels from other women, or an overly overt sɛҳuąƖ response from men. Therefore, if you are in doubt, you might want a medium heel for a date or business meeting.
Conclusion
Who knew shoes could be so influential? Not only do they significantly increase the amount of attention a woman gets from men in a bar; they also make men more compliant to requests, and more helpful, too. If a woman is looking to increase her social or professional response from men, wearing heels could help.