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Title: Who says I never call BS
Post by: Matthew on August 27, 2012, 05:24:18 PM
...because I call BS on this one.


Quote
From Tom Selkis' (Latham Ford, Albany NY) Facebook page:
 
I'll make this short and to the point.
 
One of my salesmen had a women in his office yesterday wanting to lease a brand new Focus. As he was reviewing her credit application he noticed she was on social security disability. He remarked that she didn’t look disabled and unable to work. She said well I'm really not, I could work if I wanted to but I make more now then I did when I was working and got hurt.(non-disabling injury)
 
She said the government pays her $1500 a month for her ‘disability’. In addition to that, she gets $700 a month on an EBT card (food stamps) and $800 a month for rent. Oh yeah, and 250 minutes free on her phone. That’s $3000 a month (not counting the free telephone minutes) or $36,000 a year.
 
Before disability, she was working and taking home about $330 per week - over $17,000 a year. What’s wrong with this picture? Just do the math. Why the hell should she go back to work? If you multiply this scenario by millions of people you start to realize the scope of the problem we face in this country today. Once Obama and his acolytes have 51% of the population in this same situation, guess what? We’re finished.
 
The question is when do we cross that threshold (if we haven't already.)
Title: Who says I never call BS
Post by: Roman55 on August 27, 2012, 06:55:05 PM
A car salesman who would bs someone...??? Come on!  Well, if that really was the case, I think she could sue the dealer as it was none of his biz, but what he should do is take her money and get another car off the lot.  After all, the dealer is getting back what he/she paid in taxes for that bum.  And that is how the liberal mind thinks...not my suggestion, but how I've heard a liberal opine.  Another of his famous rants is this:  Drive down the free way with a passenger in the back of the car throwing out big bags of trash.  That way the state can put out the chain gang of prisoners to pick it all up and any other trash littering our beautiful country side.  Now doesn't that make a whole lot of sense?  Well, to a liberal it does!
Title: Who says I never call BS
Post by: Thorn on August 27, 2012, 07:34:45 PM
I don't think Matthew was calling BS on the car salesman, but on the present political system.
 Also, who's 'his' in "another of his famous rants"?   I think you meant the liberal but then maybe not.  Maybe it means the car salesman.  Confusing post.
Title: Who says I never call BS
Post by: Loriann on August 27, 2012, 07:48:23 PM
The 2012 Index of Dependence on Government, released today, should be a wake-up call for America. Published by The Heritage Foundation for the past 10 years, the Index tracks the growth in government dependence dating back to the early 1960s. This year’s edition shows an alarming trend. Among the most troubling facts:
 •One in five Americans—the highest in the nation’s history—relies on the federal government for everything from housing, health care, and food stamps to college tuition and retirement assistance. That’s more than 67.3 million Americans who receive subsidies from Washington.
 •Government dependency jumped 8.1 percent in the past year, with the most assistance going toward housing, health and welfare, and retirement.
 •The federal government spent more taxpayer dollars than ever before in 2011 to subsidize Americans. The average individual who relies on Washington could receive benefits valued at $32,748, more than the nation’s average disposable personal income ($32,446).
 •At the same time, nearly half of the U.S. population (49.5 percent) does not pay any federal income taxes.
 •In the next 25 years, more than 77 million baby boomers will retire. They will begin collecting checks from Social Security, drawing benefits from Medicare, and relying on Medicaid for long-term care.
 •As of now, 70 percent of the federal government’s budget goes to individual assistance programs, up dramatically in just the past few years. However, research shows that private, community, and charitable aid helps individuals rise from their difficulties with better success than federal government handouts. Plus, local and private aid is often more effectively distributed.

The percentages those on welfare by race as of 2011 are listed below in descending order by percentage.
 Black-39.8%
White-38.8%
Hispanic-15.7%
Other-3.3%
Asian-2.4%

When half of the country pays no taxes, and almost half of the country is on aid because it is easier than working, I get scared, too.
Title: Who says I never call BS
Post by: Belloc on August 28, 2012, 11:55:39 AM
Quote from: Loriann
The 2012 Index of Dependence on Government, released today, should be a wake-up call for America. Published by The Heritage Foundation for the past 10 years, the Index tracks the growth in government dependence dating back to the early 1960s. This year’s edition shows an alarming trend. Among the most troubling facts:
 •One in five Americans—the highest in the nation’s history—relies on the federal government for everything from housing, health care, and food stamps to college tuition and retirement assistance. That’s more than 67.3 million Americans who receive subsidies from Washington.
 •Government dependency jumped 8.1 percent in the past year, with the most assistance going toward housing, health and welfare, and retirement.
 •The federal government spent more taxpayer dollars than ever before in 2011 to subsidize Americans. The average individual who relies on Washington could receive benefits valued at $32,748, more than the nation’s average disposable personal income ($32,446).
 •At the same time, nearly half of the U.S. population (49.5 percent) does not pay any federal income taxes.
 •In the next 25 years, more than 77 million baby boomers will retire. They will begin collecting checks from Social Security, drawing benefits from Medicare, and relying on Medicaid for long-term care.
 •As of now, 70 percent of the federal government’s budget goes to individual assistance programs, up dramatically in just the past few years. However, research shows that private, community, and charitable aid helps individuals rise from their difficulties with better success than federal government handouts. Plus, local and private aid is often more effectively distributed.

The percentages those on welfare by race as of 2011 are listed below in descending order by percentage.
 Black-39.8%
White-38.8%
Hispanic-15.7%
Other-3.3%
Asian-2.4%

When half of the country pays no taxes, and almost half of the country is on aid because it is easier than working, I get scared, too.


its by design.....first, dumbed and ruin Indians....then Blacks, now whites......Hispanics are iffy, sort in middle right now, asians are industrious, but since most are pagans, they are largely already on the plan of  :devil2:

I see welfare daily, more and more first time appliers for services and more and more, educated ones with decent incomes at one point.....now, disabled, crushed by debt, mainly medical care and out of work or too old to get anything and too old to dig a ditch......poverty and degradation, by design.......

we do not do anything, because its easier to play the false games we are given to play to keep us "kids" busy and occupied......
Title: Who says I never call BS
Post by: Sigismund on August 28, 2012, 09:37:08 PM
I think that perhaps Matthew was suggesting that the entire story is nonsense.  But only Matthew knows for sure.   :smile:
Title: Who says I never call BS
Post by: Matthew on August 28, 2012, 10:44:47 PM
It just sounds "too bad to be true" like it's typical Republican e-mail forward urban legend nonsense.

I don't think the government gives out "free rent", or there wouldn't be any homeless or tent cities. They have Section 8 housing, which is where you can go any time of day or night to do a drug deal, to give you some idea of how safe those areas are.

And if she gets so much for Food Stamps and a "blank check" for rent wherever she wants to live, why do they give her a $1500 replacement income (disability)? Is that supposed to be "fun money"? That doesn't make sense.

That government isn't that generous.

I don't work for the government or social services, though, so I can't say with the certainty I usually have on this forum (about matters of Faith, etc.)

It also doesn't mention that she has any children. A single woman getting $700 in food stamps sounds like a lot. And there's a good chance she doesn't have any/more than 1 child if she's buying a Ford Focus. Have you ever driven/rode in one? If it were any smaller, it would be a 2-seater. The biggest selling point for the Focus is its 40 MPG fuel economy.

And am I the only once that noticed it all adds up to a nice, tidy $3,000?

$1500 for disability
$700 for food stamps
$800 for rent

Too convenient, if you ask me.
Title: Who says I never call BS
Post by: Tiffany on August 29, 2012, 08:59:55 AM
Quote from: Matthew
It just sounds "too bad to be true" like it's typical Republican e-mail forward urban legend nonsense.

I don't think the government gives out "free rent", or there wouldn't be any homeless or tent cities. They have Section 8 housing, which is where you can go any time of day or night to do a drug deal, to give you some idea of how safe those areas are.

And if she gets so much for Food Stamps and a "blank check" for rent wherever she wants to live, why do they give her a $1500 replacement income (disability)? Is that supposed to be "fun money"? That doesn't make sense.

That government isn't that generous.

I don't work for the government or social services, though, so I can't say with the certainty I usually have on this forum (about matters of Faith, etc.)

It also doesn't mention that she has any children. A single woman getting $700 in food stamps sounds like a lot. And there's a good chance she doesn't have any/more than 1 child if she's buying a Ford Focus. Have you ever driven/rode in one? If it were any smaller, it would be a 2-seater. The biggest selling point for the Focus is its 40 MPG fuel economy.

And am I the only once that noticed it all adds up to a nice, tidy $3,000?

$1500 for disability
$700 for food stamps
$800 for rent

Too convenient, if you ask me.


There is subsidized housing (what we used to call projects) and there is Section 8 which is a voucher program where the family picks the house or apartment. The wait lists are usually very long and in many areas they are not accepting applications at all. I believe it's based on 30% of the income and the minimum for someone with no income is a low figure like $25. (I'm not sure what it is exactly.)

That food stamp amount would be for a family of 5 or 6.  A single woman with no dependents having an income of $1500 month would not be getting any food stamps.



Title: Who says I never call BS
Post by: Loriann on August 29, 2012, 09:16:09 AM
I know in schools we see families  that have vouchers for section 8 housing (where the government pays the landlord--interestingly enough single homes can become section 8 and the rents charged are much higher than the norm non-section 8), so free rent.

Kids get all school supplies , locks, yearbook, gym suits, field trips and meals free, if they qualify for free or reduced lunch.

Parents get a Link/EBT Card or Wic vouchers or both.  This is a credit card that buys groceries like food stamps. WIC handles formula cereal milk and food associated with infants and babies.

Free Cell phones with 200 ? onthly minutes handed out of a Township truck.

Many on public aid have better clothes and fancier cars than my working class.

Oh, and we must give the kids the full platter of breakfast or lunch, even if they don;t want it, so they are forced to throw it out after.  Such waste.
Title: Who says I never call BS
Post by: Telesphorus on August 29, 2012, 09:22:35 AM
Quote from: Loriann
I know in schools we see families  that have vouchers for section 8 housing (where the government pays the landlord--interestingly enough single homes can become section 8 and the rents charged are much higher than the norm non-section 8), so free rent.


The government uses these programs to support the migration of inner city blacks and somali foreigners into the rural parts of the midwest.

They really don't want a single peaceful community to exist.  

There is a pathological hatred for the white gentile American.
Title: Who says I never call BS
Post by: Loriann on August 29, 2012, 09:29:15 AM
Quote from: Telesphorus
Quote from: Loriann
I know in schools we see families  that have vouchers for section 8 housing (where the government pays the landlord--interestingly enough single homes can become section 8 and the rents charged are much higher than the norm non-section 8), so free rent.


The government uses these programs to support the migration of inner city blacks and somali foreigners into the rural parts of the midwest.

They really don't want a single peaceful community to exist.  

There is a pathological hatred for the white gentile American.


It affects neighborhoods and schools for sure.
Title: Who says I never call BS
Post by: Tiffany on August 29, 2012, 09:30:22 AM
Quote from: Loriann
I know in schools we see families  that have vouchers for section 8 housing (where the government pays the landlord--interestingly enough single homes can become section 8 and the rents charged are much higher than the norm non-section 8), so free rent.

Kids get all school supplies , locks, yearbook, gym suits, field trips and meals free, if they qualify for free or reduced lunch.

Parents get a Link/EBT Card or Wic vouchers or both.  This is a credit card that buys groceries like food stamps. WIC handles formula cereal milk and food associated with infants and babies.

Free Cell phones with 200 ? onthly minutes handed out of a Township truck.

Many on public aid have better clothes and fancier cars than my working class.

Oh, and we must give the kids the full platter of breakfast or lunch, even if they don;t want it, so they are forced to throw it out after.  Such waste.


The EBT card is what SNAP benefits (food stamps) are given out on.

WIC is only for pregnant women and children under 5.

The telephone credit is part of a program that started under Regain, lifeline assistance. The cell phone companies provide the phone and the citizen receives a credit of minutes every month.

It varies from state to state but you cannot own a car over a certain value in some places and still receive food stamps.

GWB made it so you can have an unlimited  amount in a retirement account or educational account and it not disqualify someone from food stamps.  

Food at school is part of national security. One of the reasons for it is so we will have enough recruits that can pass the physical standards.

Not sure about the divide is between "working class" and those on aid, most of those on public assistance do work.
Title: Who says I never call BS
Post by: Loriann on August 29, 2012, 09:48:57 AM
Quote from: Tiffany
Quote from: Loriann
I know in schools we see families  that have vouchers for section 8 housing (where the government pays the landlord--interestingly enough single homes can become section 8 and the rents charged are much higher than the norm non-section 8), so free rent.

Kids get all school supplies , locks, yearbook, gym suits, field trips and meals free, if they qualify for free or reduced lunch.

Parents get a Link/EBT Card or Wic vouchers or both.  This is a credit card that buys groceries like food stamps. WIC handles formula cereal milk and food associated with infants and babies.

Free Cell phones with 200 ? onthly minutes handed out of a Township truck.

Many on public aid have better clothes and fancier cars than my working class.

Oh, and we must give the kids the full platter of breakfast or lunch, even if they don;t want it, so they are forced to throw it out after.  Such waste.


The EBT card is what SNAP benefits (food stamps) are given out on.

WIC is only for pregnant women and children under 5.

The telephone credit is part of a program that started under Regain, lifeline assistance. The cell phone companies provide the phone and the citizen receives a credit of minutes every month.

It varies from state to state but you cannot own a car over a certain value in some places and still receive food stamps.

GWB made it so you can have an unlimited  amount in a retirement account or educational account and it not disqualify someone from food stamps.  

Food at school is part of national security. One of the reasons for it is so we will have enough recruits that can pass the physical standards.

Not sure about the divide is between "working class" and those on aid, most of those on public assistance do work.



I live in Chicago--the more on public assistance the better the voter numbers for the democratic party, so rules are pretty flexible, or broken, because the cars are flashy and pretty and better than most of the staff too.

I don't care which presidents or parties made the public aid trough larger--I feel that the growth of public aid has ruined families and churches and made for abusers.  I work hard to feed the poor at a soup kitchen, but they aren't the ones getting all of the perks.  Feeding children is the one program I think makes sense, but forcing them to take every choice, knowing they will toss it, is absurd.  There is a move in Chicago to get internet now into every home.  Crazy.
Title: Who says I never call BS
Post by: Belloc on August 29, 2012, 09:57:15 AM
Quote from: Matthew
It just sounds "too bad to be true" like it's typical Republican e-mail forward urban legend nonsense.

I don't think the government gives out "free rent", or there wouldn't be any homeless or tent cities. They have Section 8 housing, which is where you can go any time of day or night to do a drug deal, to give you some idea of how safe those areas are.

And if she gets so much for Food Stamps and a "blank check" for rent wherever she wants to live, why do they give her a $1500 replacement income (disability)? Is that supposed to be "fun money"? That doesn't make sense.

That government isn't that generous.

I don't work for the government or social services, though, so I can't say with the certainty I usually have on this forum (about matters of Faith, etc.)

It also doesn't mention that she has any children. A single woman getting $700 in food stamps sounds like a lot. And there's a good chance she doesn't have any/more than 1 child if she's buying a Ford Focus. Have you ever driven/rode in one? If it were any smaller, it would be a 2-seater. The biggest selling point for the Focus is its 40 MPG fuel economy.

And am I the only once that noticed it all adds up to a nice, tidy $3,000?

$1500 for disability
$700 for food stamps
$800 for rent

Too convenient, if you ask me.


No, no hand outs that simplistic and yes, sounds like you have a GOP mailer.....there is a process, though often more liberal in some areas, less so in others.........depends on interprestation at county level....most heads are rather liberal.....interestingly, all those social programs got increased funding during the Bush yrs, and Nixon.....
Title: Who says I never call BS
Post by: Belloc on August 29, 2012, 10:02:53 AM
Quote from: Telesphorus
Quote from: Loriann
I know in schools we see families  that have vouchers for section 8 housing (where the government pays the landlord--interestingly enough single homes can become section 8 and the rents charged are much higher than the norm non-section 8), so free rent.


The government uses these programs to support the migration of inner city blacks and somali foreigners into the rural parts of the midwest.

They really don't want a single peaceful community to exist.  

There is a pathological hatred for the white gentile American.


TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, BUT TOO SIMPLISITC AND ALSO, TO NARROW TO SOMETHING RATHER OBSESSIVE IN RACE.......

THERE IS A PLAN FOR WIDE DESTRUCTION, TRUE, BUT IT WAS MAINLY WHITE AND JєωS THAT FOSTERED THIS CORRUPT FINANCIAL SYSTEM......

TO QUOTE AN OLD MOVIE "TREY, AINT NO BROTHERS FLYING HELICOPTERS FROM COLUMBIA TO BRING IN THE DRUGS"

that said, sorry about the caps being on, mistake on my part, we can either attack the root of the problem or, do what the NWO wants, and continue to obsess about race, ethnicity and blame each other...the white money elitist and Jєω would love you-and Trad-20,etc,etc to continue to waste threads on the ethnicity/race blame game........get rid of the main and top gurus, the rest can then fall into place and be corrected.........
Title: Who says I never call BS
Post by: PenitentWoman on August 29, 2012, 10:14:59 AM
Quote from: Telesphorus
Quote from: Loriann
I know in schools we see families  that have vouchers for section 8 housing (where the government pays the landlord--interestingly enough single homes can become section 8 and the rents charged are much higher than the norm non-section 8), so free rent.


The government uses these programs to support the migration of inner city blacks and somali foreigners into the rural parts of the midwest.

They really don't want a single peaceful community to exist.  

There is a pathological hatred for the white gentile American.



I am in the Midwest.  When I tagged along for the parochial school "Meet the Teacher" night for the children I will be caring for, I noticed there were a few Somalian families.  The girls were covered, so I assume they are practicing Muslims.  While there are a lot of Somalians who live around here, I am surprised they would want the children in Catholic schools.  I imagine most of them are not paying full tuition, but why would Parish grants be extended to non-Catholics?

I also wonder about the prayer thing.  I know in the public schools they have to allow blocks of time each day for Muslim students to pray. Will the Catholic school allow this too?   :confused1:
Title: Who says I never call BS
Post by: Malleus 01 on August 29, 2012, 10:53:07 AM
Quote from: Matthew
It just sounds "too bad to be true" like it's typical Republican e-mail forward urban legend nonsense.

I don't think the government gives out "free rent", or there wouldn't be any homeless or tent cities. They have Section 8 housing, which is where you can go any time of day or night to do a drug deal, to give you some idea of how safe those areas are.

And if she gets so much for Food Stamps and a "blank check" for rent wherever she wants to live, why do they give her a $1500 replacement income (disability)? Is that supposed to be "fun money"? That doesn't make sense.

That government isn't that generous.

I don't work for the government or social services, though, so I can't say with the certainty I usually have on this forum (about matters of Faith, etc.)

It also doesn't mention that she has any children. A single woman getting $700 in food stamps sounds like a lot. And there's a good chance she doesn't have any/more than 1 child if she's buying a Ford Focus. Have you ever driven/rode in one? If it were any smaller, it would be a 2-seater. The biggest selling point for the Focus is its 40 MPG fuel economy.

And am I the only once that noticed it all adds up to a nice, tidy $3,000?

$1500 for disability
$700 for food stamps
$800 for rent

Too convenient, if you ask me.


I know 2 examples

My next door neighbor sits at home all day on disability. I dont know what he gets compensation wise - but I do know he drives an F 150 Pickup , isnt married - doesnt plan on ever working again.  My sons father in law went to school with him has known him since they were kids and he is a master brick layer.  And before anyone tells me - "you dont know - he might be disabled" he is a friend of a guy in town who had been on disability for 20 years because of "Vietnam War Time Stress" or some such nonsense. This guy has been saying for years how one day he is going to do the same thing.  And when Obama was elected - about 6 months later , voila. I see him doing all kinds of stuff around his house so his disability must not be that "severe. "

My Daughters Democrat Husband.

Has been on unemployment 2 times in the last 4 years - as soon as he qualifies - he somehow "loses his job" and then comes every excuse in the book for not finding another right up until the Unemployment runs out then POOF - He is working !!!!!!

These are the problems.

People who dont want to work are milking the system.
Title: Who says I never call BS
Post by: Tiffany on August 29, 2012, 11:43:29 AM
Quote from: Malleus 01
Quote from: Matthew
It just sounds "too bad to be true" like it's typical Republican e-mail forward urban legend nonsense.

I don't think the government gives out "free rent", or there wouldn't be any homeless or tent cities. They have Section 8 housing, which is where you can go any time of day or night to do a drug deal, to give you some idea of how safe those areas are.

And if she gets so much for Food Stamps and a "blank check" for rent wherever she wants to live, why do they give her a $1500 replacement income (disability)? Is that supposed to be "fun money"? That doesn't make sense.

That government isn't that generous.

I don't work for the government or social services, though, so I can't say with the certainty I usually have on this forum (about matters of Faith, etc.)

It also doesn't mention that she has any children. A single woman getting $700 in food stamps sounds like a lot. And there's a good chance she doesn't have any/more than 1 child if she's buying a Ford Focus. Have you ever driven/rode in one? If it were any smaller, it would be a 2-seater. The biggest selling point for the Focus is its 40 MPG fuel economy.

And am I the only once that noticed it all adds up to a nice, tidy $3,000?

$1500 for disability
$700 for food stamps
$800 for rent

Too convenient, if you ask me.


I know 2 examples

My next door neighbor sits at home all day on disability. I dont know what he gets compensation wise - but I do know he drives an F 150 Pickup , isnt married - doesnt plan on ever working again.  My sons father in law went to school with him has known him since they were kids and he is a master brick layer.  And before anyone tells me - "you dont know - he might be disabled" he is a friend of a guy in town who had been on disability for 20 years because of "Vietnam War Time Stress" or some such nonsense. This guy has been saying for years how one day he is going to do the same thing.  And when Obama was elected - about 6 months later , voila. I see him doing all kinds of stuff around his house so his disability must not be that "severe. "

My Daughters Democrat Husband.

Has been on unemployment 2 times in the last 4 years - as soon as he qualifies - he somehow "loses his job" and then comes every excuse in the book for not finding another right up until the Unemployment runs out then POOF - He is working !!!!!!

These are the problems.

People who dont want to work are milking the system.


PTSD is not nonsense. You are wrong to dismiss it.  I would say his case is probably quite severe as they were very reluctant to give out those labels from the Vietnam War.  Many of these boys were drafted, they went in as healthy capable young men, they did not choose to be psychologically crippled by war unable to function in society.
Title: Who says I never call BS
Post by: Belloc on August 29, 2012, 12:10:18 PM
Quote from: Tiffany
Food at school is part of national security. One of the reasons for it is so we will have enough recruits that can pass the physical standards.
 


actually, Mike Adams from Natural News had a video on this, how the recruits to military are so soft, fat and out of shape or, they cannot find recruits healthy enough.......
Title: Who says I never call BS
Post by: Belloc on August 29, 2012, 12:13:30 PM
Quote from: PenitentWoman
Quote from: Telesphorus
Quote from: Loriann
I know in schools we see families  that have vouchers for section 8 housing (where the government pays the landlord--interestingly enough single homes can become section 8 and the rents charged are much higher than the norm non-section 8), so free rent.


The government uses these programs to support the migration of inner city blacks and somali foreigners into the rural parts of the midwest.

They really don't want a single peaceful community to exist.  

There is a pathological hatred for the white gentile American.



I am in the Midwest.  When I tagged along for the parochial school "Meet the Teacher" night for the children I will be caring for, I noticed there were a few Somalian families.  The girls were covered, so I assume they are practicing Muslims.  While there are a lot of Somalians who live around here, I am surprised they would want the children in Catholic schools.  I imagine most of them are not paying full tuition, but why would Parish grants be extended to non-Catholics?

I also wonder about the prayer thing.  I know in the public schools they have to allow blocks of time each day for Muslim students to pray. Will the Catholic school allow this too?   :confused1:


there is an effort to move them to middle AMerica true enough. We had a few Prots and Jєωs in my Catholic school, they were exempt from religion classes if parents wanted it that way.......some, too bad they werenot, as teacher was a modernist......perhaps said Muslims if the RCC school is good, might convert or at least, here the Truth and have to answer for it later.......then again, they take up a spot a Catholic kid should have.....

Would not allow them to pray in Catholic grounds........but todays NewChurch, probably would be allowed and encourged, plus others would be pushed to join them, Assisi in minature.....
Title: Who says I never call BS
Post by: Belloc on August 29, 2012, 12:23:38 PM
Quote from: Malleus 01
Quote from: Matthew
It just sounds "too bad to be true" like it's typical Republican e-mail forward urban legend nonsense.

I don't think the government gives out "free rent", or there wouldn't be any homeless or tent cities. They have Section 8 housing, which is where you can go any time of day or night to do a drug deal, to give you some idea of how safe those areas are.

And if she gets so much for Food Stamps and a "blank check" for rent wherever she wants to live, why do they give her a $1500 replacement income (disability)? Is that supposed to be "fun money"? That doesn't make sense.

That government isn't that generous.

I don't work for the government or social services, though, so I can't say with the certainty I usually have on this forum (about matters of Faith, etc.)

It also doesn't mention that she has any children. A single woman getting $700 in food stamps sounds like a lot. And there's a good chance she doesn't have any/more than 1 child if she's buying a Ford Focus. Have you ever driven/rode in one? If it were any smaller, it would be a 2-seater. The biggest selling point for the Focus is its 40 MPG fuel economy.

And am I the only once that noticed it all adds up to a nice, tidy $3,000?

$1500 for disability
$700 for food stamps
$800 for rent

Too convenient, if you ask me.


I know 2 examples

My next door neighbor sits at home all day on disability. I dont know what he gets compensation wise - but I do know he drives an F 150 Pickup , isnt married - doesnt plan on ever working again.  My sons father in law went to school with him has known him since they were kids and he is a master brick layer.  And before anyone tells me - "you dont know - he might be disabled" he is a friend of a guy in town who had been on disability for 20 years because of "Vietnam War Time Stress" or some such nonsense. This guy has been saying for years how one day he is going to do the same thing.  And when Obama was elected - about 6 months later , voila. I see him doing all kinds of stuff around his house so his disability must not be that "severe. "

My Daughters Democrat Husband.

Has been on unemployment 2 times in the last 4 years - as soon as he qualifies - he somehow "loses his job" and then comes every excuse in the book for not finding another right up until the Unemployment runs out then POOF - He is working !!!!!!

These are the problems.

People who dont want to work are milking the system.


true, many "milk" the system, but you noted in your response a lot of observations, but not a lot of details-why he is one disability? how old is the truck? why would he not be allowed to havea vehicle? what kind of "stuff" does he do? he was not doing it before Obama? really? and your neighbor, he is a representative of all disability claimants? you know this for certain? PTSD is  nonsense? really? Its natural, then to see people blown up and such? Ever heear how WWI and WWII vests came back and were never the same? no, that was rather hidden and not discussed in the flag waving.....a lo of them took to drink or pain killers.......

you really dont know the situation with the neighbo, and yes, I WILL say so..been doing disability claims for nearly 9 yrs, and I am more conservative about thse things then teh flag waving, never-served Limaugh/Bush ditto headed neighbor of mine at work, one that thinks the programs are great..

tehre are a lot of guidelines on disability, plus there is a huge back log of reviews of claims and approvals.......

your son in law-so, he is as he is and so everyone else on disability is that way? really? you know little about hte actual, in depth details of the neighbor, havea "blame it all on the ___ (democrat in office)" and some issues, more to home, w/son in law.......also, you ID as s democrat and hence, a slacker....

again, then, why does my co-worker, who lsitens to Fox news, 6+ hrs of conservative talk radio, still loves GW Bush, why does he think I am nutes when I state the whole system of disability/welfare is corrupt? why does this fellow support all the welfare programs?

why do menay of my Claimants hate Obama/Dems and a few cal him "that nigger President".......many of my claimants are white, rednecks a well as others......many express GOP support  and related buzz words.....

maybe the neighbor is a slacker, that happens. Some of my co-workers are too, showing up, doing minimum and getting a paycheck-is that ok with you if they show up and push some papers around?

Day is coming, likely soon, when you could and may become one you mock......a lot of people never would have been a few yrs ago, then a lost job, stroke, etc...
Title: Who says I never call BS
Post by: Tiffany on August 29, 2012, 12:35:50 PM
Quote from: Belloc
Quote from: Tiffany
Food at school is part of national security. One of the reasons for it is so we will have enough recruits that can pass the physical standards.
 


actually, Mike Adams from Natural News had a video on this, how the recruits to military are so soft, fat and out of shape or, they cannot find recruits healthy enough.......


I think they were too short :( and thin :( back in the day.
Title: Who says I never call BS
Post by: Belloc on August 29, 2012, 12:46:56 PM
Now, to fat and have weird, early growth.....hard to hit the obstacle course when one is joined symbiant to a cell phone..
Title: Who says I never call BS
Post by: Belloc on August 29, 2012, 12:49:44 PM
mental picture

guy or girl, dressed out in gym attire.....runing down a track texting "yeah, can talk now, running down this track with, like, this lammo military guy yelling at me and all, and I am like'dude chill out ' and ll that....hey, did you here about...."

WHACK right into a pole....

G/G on the ground with little birdies circling, still texting or knocked slam out with phone in the air, protected and intact, head not so much.....
Title: Who says I never call BS
Post by: Sigismund on August 29, 2012, 08:32:27 PM
Quote from: Malleus 01
Quote from: Matthew
It just sounds "too bad to be true" like it's typical Republican e-mail forward urban legend nonsense.

I don't think the government gives out "free rent", or there wouldn't be any homeless or tent cities. They have Section 8 housing, which is where you can go any time of day or night to do a drug deal, to give you some idea of how safe those areas are.

And if she gets so much for Food Stamps and a "blank check" for rent wherever she wants to live, why do they give her a $1500 replacement income (disability)? Is that supposed to be "fun money"? That doesn't make sense.

That government isn't that generous.

I don't work for the government or social services, though, so I can't say with the certainty I usually have on this forum (about matters of Faith, etc.)

It also doesn't mention that she has any children. A single woman getting $700 in food stamps sounds like a lot. And there's a good chance she doesn't have any/more than 1 child if she's buying a Ford Focus. Have you ever driven/rode in one? If it were any smaller, it would be a 2-seater. The biggest selling point for the Focus is its 40 MPG fuel economy.

And am I the only once that noticed it all adds up to a nice, tidy $3,000?

$1500 for disability
$700 for food stamps
$800 for rent

Too convenient, if you ask me.


I know 2 examples

My next door neighbor sits at home all day on disability. I dont know what he gets compensation wise - but I do know he drives an F 150 Pickup , isnt married - doesnt plan on ever working again.  My sons father in law went to school with him has known him since they were kids and he is a master brick layer.  And before anyone tells me - "you dont know - he might be disabled" he is a friend of a guy in town who had been on disability for 20 years because of "Vietnam War Time Stress" or some such nonsense. This guy has been saying for years how one day he is going to do the same thing.  And when Obama was elected - about 6 months later , voila. I see him doing all kinds of stuff around his house so his disability must not be that "severe. "

My Daughters Democrat Husband.

Has been on unemployment 2 times in the last 4 years - as soon as he qualifies - he somehow "loses his job" and then comes every excuse in the book for not finding another right up until the Unemployment runs out then POOF - He is working !!!!!!

These are the problems.

People who dont want to work are milking the system.


If you have actual evidence of fraud, and it sounds like you might, report him.
Title: Who says I never call BS
Post by: Matthew on August 31, 2012, 07:16:36 PM
Ok, here's a better example of the Republican "partisan politics", 2-party, nonsense, bitter, rubbish I was talking about:



Quote
Is this a great country  or what????

     Found in the parking lot of a  grocery store, Menominee,  Michigan


The 1  in 7 Americans currently on food  stamps certainly  appreciate the opportunity to dine on lobster and  porterhouse steak  at  YOUR EXPENSE.  What's  for dinner at your  house tonight?

Hows  that hope-y, change-y stuff working out for ya?
Title: Who says I never call BS
Post by: Matthew on August 31, 2012, 07:19:47 PM
True, more Americans are on Food Stamps than ever before. But don't you think it has something to do with the current DEPRESSION we're in?

As a matter of fact, many Food Stamps recipients run out of money before the end of the month, and they have to stretch their benefits to stay fed. Porterhouse steak certainly isn't on the menu.

I've heard that the calculations for Food Stamps aim to keep you fed for 3 to 3 1/2 weeks.

You might have more money for food if you have lots of children, as they count "number of people in the household".

I'm sorry, but welfare abuse and fraud was around long before Obama. That includes under Reagan, Bush Sr., Bush Jr., etc.
Title: Who says I never call BS
Post by: MaterDominici on August 31, 2012, 07:34:32 PM
Quote from: Matthew
You might have more money for food if you have lots of SMALL children, as they count "number of people in the household".


I added a word for you. The bigs ones can pack away more than an adult!
Title: Who says I never call BS
Post by: Sigismund on August 31, 2012, 08:37:05 PM
Darn right.   :smile:
Title: Who says I never call BS
Post by: Tiffany on August 31, 2012, 11:50:06 PM
Quote from: Matthew
True, more Americans are on Food Stamps than ever before. But don't you think it has something to do with the current DEPRESSION we're in?

As a matter of fact, many Food Stamps recipients run out of money before the end of the month, and they have to stretch their benefits to stay fed. Porterhouse steak certainly isn't on the menu.

I've heard that the calculations for Food Stamps aim to keep you fed for 3 to 3 1/2 weeks.

You might have more money for food if you have lots of children, as they count "number of people in the household".

I'm sorry, but welfare abuse and fraud was around long before Obama. That includes under Reagan, Bush Sr., Bush Jr., etc.


If people are getting the maximum benefit amount and have access to a heat source to cook, under normal circuмstances it is enough to survive on.
1 person is $200, 4 is $ 668, and 8 is $ 1,202.

Obviously a teenage boy is going to eat more than a 3 year old so situations vary.
Title: Who says I never call BS
Post by: wallflower on September 01, 2012, 12:03:27 AM
Quote from: Matthew

I've heard that the calculations for Food Stamps aim to keep you fed for 3 to 3 1/2 weeks.


I didn't know that but I wouldn't doubt it. We were on Food Stamps for 4 months last fall and winter and the 3 week mark was always when we ran out. It seemed like efforts to be more frugal never really helped either. I always thought it must be failure on my part but maybe they do it that way so you have to stretch and aren't tempted to splurge. I don't doubt that if someone were making unreported income they could dine on porterhouse using food stamps but on the up and up, I can't see it happening unless you didn't mind eating Ramen for the rest of the month.  :barf: