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Offline SeanJohnson

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Who is John Pontrello?
« on: November 17, 2023, 06:42:23 AM »
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  • All of a sudden, everyone is talking about John Pontrello, but I’ve never heard of him. 

    Who is he?

    I see in one thread, Lad is wondering if he and DR are the same person, based on Pontrello reproducing and commenting on posts made here on CI by DR regarding sedeprivationism.

    Meanwhile, as I had engaged the new user “Capic” on the subject of extraordinary manifestations of episcopal authority, as well as sedeprivationism, I received a PM from a member suggesting that Capic was actually Pontrello (based again on a similarity of arguments by Capic and Pontrello (on the latter’s blog).

    Meanwhile, it appears that while the world slept, Capic ended up getting banned (even though the last I read, he was agreeing with Matthew against my position opposing independent apostolates as a normative organization of the apostolate).  I was wondering why he hadn’t responded to my posts.

    What did I miss?

    Finally, the question is begged: Are DR, Capic, and Pontrello all the same person, or does Pontrello simply lurk on CI?
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    Offline Quo vadis Domine

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    Re: Who is John Pontrello?
    « Reply #1 on: November 17, 2023, 07:06:55 AM »
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  • The last I heard was that he embraced Orthodoxy and is now a heretic and schismatic. He was a former seminarian under Bishop Vezelis and became disillusioned with the True Faith. I believe he was deeply involved with the NO church when he was younger.
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?


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    Re: Who is John Pontrello?
    « Reply #2 on: November 17, 2023, 07:35:59 AM »
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  • It was certainly him.

    Let's not give him a huge platform OR send people over to his Orthodoxy website, to convert people to literal Schism though. Ok?

    The guy has a blog, and he thinks CathInfo is a blog so he's either in his 60's or 70's. Yes, Grandpa, it's a blog. Who's blog? Hundreds of people. Yeah. That's totally a blog. PROTIP: blogs don't have "members". They have 1-3 owners who soapbox their thoughts on it (like Tiktok, only with words) and hundreds, thousands, or millions of "readers". But I digress.



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    November 12, 2023 (evening) ~Speaking of cathinfo.com, someone started another interesting thread titled: "What Does Sedeprivationism Actually Solve?"  Listen to this answer by another member of the blog, DecemRationis:

    "It doesn't. It attempts to solve the Crisis problem, but as with most man-made solutions regrading problems in the Church (e.g., Protestantism, and the long lines of heretics and heresies) which are not from God, it fails.  It posits genuine hierarchs who it then divests of the power of true hierarchs. So it provides a variation of the R & R "cardboard" pope (thank you, Father Cekada). Its distinction from R & R is that it provides a "cardboard" pope with no authority whatsoever - except keeping the seat warm. So they can't be accused of their dreaded "sifting," which they accuse the R & R of doing: they reject everything the cardboard pope says and does, except his making of other "cardboards," e.g. bishops."


    I couldn't have said it better.  Sedeprivationism (partial pope theory) is a bunch of nonsense.



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    November 12, 2023 ~ I want to throw a shout out to some members of the Cathinfo.com trad blog for promoting my book recently.  A special thank you to member Ladislaus who went above & beyond my expectations by sending more converts our way.  Idiot.

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    Re: Who is John Pontrello?
    « Reply #3 on: November 17, 2023, 08:08:01 AM »
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  • It was certainly him.

    Let's not give him a huge platform OR send people over to his Orthodoxy website, to convert people to literal Schism though. Ok?

    The guy has a blog, and he thinks CathInfo is a blog so he's either in his 60's or 70's. Yes, Grandpa, it's a blog. Who's blog? Hundreds of people. Yeah. That's totally a blog. PROTIP: blogs don't have "members". They have 1-3 owners who soapbox their thoughts on it (like Tiktok, only with words) and hundreds, thousands, or millions of "readers". But I digress.





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    I think he’s in his late 40’s or early 50’s.
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

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    Re: Who is John Pontrello?
    « Reply #4 on: November 17, 2023, 08:16:28 AM »
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  • I think he’s in his late 40’s or early 50’s.

    I just felt like he should be older than me, because I personally know what a "blog", "forum" and "message board" are. He seems like a Boomer who misses the concept. That's why I guessed older. But perhaps he's just ignorant and it's not due to his generation or the time period he grew up at all.

    (In contrast, I am quite aware of parts of Millennial and Gen Z culture. You CAN learn stuff, you know.)
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    Re: Who is John Pontrello?
    « Reply #5 on: November 17, 2023, 08:48:55 AM »
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  • The last I heard was that he embraced Orthodoxy and is now a heretic and schismatic. He was a former seminarian under Bishop Vezelis and became disillusioned with the True Faith. I believe he was deeply involved with the NO church when he was younger.

    From what I can piece together, he was a Dimond supporter for a while, but then he decided that Pius IX was heretical regarding "invincible ignorance", similar to the guy I had mentioned in that one 1995 "article" of mine The Angelus published.  So if Pius IX is a heretical non-pope, then papal infallibility goes away.  From there he went over to Eastern Orthodoxy.  It's this kind of stuff that backed me away from dogmatic SVism, which does not really provide an adequate explanation for what the "backstop" is for this kind of conclusion, where you can "Pope Sift".  There's the principle of Universal Peaceful Acceptance, but it's hard to deny that Roncalli and Montini (in the beginning) had UPA.  So it seems inadequate.  But I'm open to other thoughts on the matter.

    But the Pius IX allegation is a gross misinterpretation of what Pius IX said about invincible ignorance, as Pius IX himself during his lifetime protested that misinterpretation.

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    Re: Who is John Pontrello?
    « Reply #6 on: November 17, 2023, 08:51:59 AM »
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  • Yeah, I'm sure I sent "converts" to Pontrello by merely pointing out (from his book title) that he was Eastern Orthodox.  I was merely exposing this fact to someone who had posted here that Pontrello had some "good arguments not handled by Trads", lest people confuse Pontrello as just being some radical Trad type.  I felt that I needed to point out that this guy is an Eastern Orthodox heretic and schismatic, lest they be lured into his nonsense.  That's enough for most Catholics of good faith to avoid this guy.