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Offline Sigismund

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« Reply #45 on: August 04, 2012, 06:49:35 PM »
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  • We ask that our mates be Catholic and of good character.  Their race is irrelevant.  
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    « Reply #46 on: August 04, 2012, 07:02:06 PM »
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  • It's quite offensive to the Church to suggest that there exists impediments (whether prohibitory or diriment) to holy matrimony that she does not know of and has not always taught and enforced from antiquity. Yet, brother Francis, God love him, obviously thinks is the case but apparently cannot cite one official text, theological manual, catechism, canon law or magisterial docuмent to justify his claim.  

    Anyway, it's certainly lawful for people to consider various things in choosing their own life-partner. What is not just is to set up something that God and His Church have not required.


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    « Reply #47 on: August 04, 2012, 07:02:08 PM »
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  • Well I will admit that I would prefer my daughter's future siblings look similar to her so it isn't so obvious that she has a different dad, I just thought that was me being selfish/superficial.

    I've heard us blondes will be extinct in a few generations. Weird to think about.
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    « Reply #48 on: August 04, 2012, 10:14:52 PM »
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    So how far does this go? Do we ask for a pedigree from potential mates? I am mostly German but some English.  There are a decent number  of Catholic men in my area who are Hispanic. I've never dated outside my race but I didn't know it was an issue to do so.


    Dear "Penitent Woman,"

    Dating and marrying "outside my race" is most certainly a pretty major issue among traditional Hispanics.  Knowing the proper racial and social level for you to assume is definitely fundamental for any proper Hispanic Catholic who is in any way in tune with their proud heritage from our most glorious Spanish Empire.  Please note:  There is genuine humility (about SELF) and then there is mere vulgarity (treating everybody else disrespectfully).  If you can't tell white, part-white and non-white Hispanics apart, trust me, the Hispanics have NO difficulty doing so.  If they are seriously traditional Catholics, just ask them!

    Violating basic traditional Roman Catholic civil laws like not marrying slaves (i.e., non-whites) that were one of the prime rallying cries of the Jacobins during the French Revolution shouldn't be seen as a minor indiscretion.  MOST Roman Catholics would have "turned over in their graves" at the thought of a descendant marrying outside their race until the 1960s because holding our historic Catholic Roman Law in contempt is not virtuous.  It may well be downright filial impiety.

    In another post, you mention that you are blond.  If so, then be assured that the Good Lord has gone through much trouble to provide you with that great ancestral privilege.  BEAUTY is most precious in the eyes of God and by and large few things in Creation are more truly beautiful than blonds.  Be truly humble and show humble gratitude for what the Lord hath made.  

    Only date or marry your own white ROMAN European race!  Respect our Creation as God has chosen to give us our responsibility for it.  Gross criminal violations of our traditional Catholic Roman Law like miscegenation (and the implied contempt for the wisdom of our Old Testament) are most certainly mortal sin.  

    PLEASE RESPECT OUR ROMAN LAW.

    (P.S.:  Remote French trappers may have had circuмstances justifying their taking a native spouse, but surely you are not a French trapper...)

     

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    « Reply #49 on: August 05, 2012, 11:05:24 AM »
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    We ask that our mates be Catholic and of good character.  Their race is irrelevant.  
    I thought there's no such things as race.

    Only faith and worldview.

    So which is it?

    Anyway, from your post I gather you don't believe that ol "There's no such thing as race" liberal Jєωιѕн lie is just as bogus as "race doesn't matter".


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    « Reply #50 on: August 05, 2012, 10:17:35 PM »
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  • It is not that there is no such thing as race.  I am white, not black or Asian.  I am simply saying that the  suggestion that race matters ultimately is idolatry and the suggestion that people cannot or even should not marry outside their race is not Catholic.  
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir

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    « Reply #51 on: August 05, 2012, 10:29:48 PM »
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  • I did not mean to hurt any feelings or be offensive.  When I used the word pedigree I was wondering where the lines of race are defined. I don't know anything about the Catholic teaching or ideals on race. I'm sorry if the way I asked was hurtful.
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    « Reply #52 on: August 06, 2012, 12:47:00 AM »
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  • @Sigismund,

    Certainly race is among the most difficult and often treacherous topics so it's hard to make our vocabulary about race as clear as we might like.  Yet saying that race is highly relevant isn't the same as saying that biology determines all.  Race is a vital gift of God, but not God Himself.  And as Catholics we view the human body as something essentially spiritual in nature, and only secondarily material, so naturally by race we mean something also spiritual, not anything crassly material like the Darwinists believe.

    Since we're talking about compassion among European white folk, I should clarify that in "race" (a SPIRITUAL phenomena) language is a greater and more powerful factor than genetics.  No doubt genetics is the most stubborn aspect of race because the most material, but "race" must also fully include more fluid and easily improved factors like language as well.  So when we care about our own race, we're also talking about caring about improving the more spiritual factors of our fellow European Catholics (and Protestants) like education, language, manners, customs and the like.  Not just talking about the most intractable and most material racial factor of genetics alone.  Racial genetics tends to be the more vulnerable racial aspect most in need of protection and defending (especially against selfish miscegenation), but the other milder racial aspects also need to be promoted and cultivated just as much as genetics.

    Again, human races aren't just genetics alone as if we were talking about cattle breeding.  The relevance of our human racial heritage is mostly about how our human civilization is passed on over the generations through filial piety to our ancestors and their holy Catholic religion.  We normally honor our parents by gratefully honoring the spiritual racial inheritance we have received from them and as incarnate human beings this racial heritage must include both the more intractable material genetics of our bodies as well as our minds that require the languages and civilization we have also inherited from our parental ancestors.  All of these things together form our racial heritage, at least as Catholics have normally understood this difficult topic.  

    Please don't always hear "Darwin" whenever a Catholic mentions race.  Darwin does not enjoy any monopoly over racial topics and Catholics have a vast history about how we understand race that has nothing to do with that disreputable Englishman.  In general we see Romanity as the natural basis of our history and civilization with a clearly white European core and impetus, but we also see our racial heritage as such a uniquely generous and noble human (and therefore racial) civilization that we also welcome other non-European races to join us in the joys of our European Romanity.  And we feel a very strong responsibility to help and respect the part-white races even more because they also have a much closer natural connection with us.

    Our Catholic charity builds on nature and grace perfects nature, but neither charity nor grace can do anything to help human beings who imagine that they are so angelic that they are altogether too good to have any connections with the material world.  If the material aspects of human bodies like genetics mean nothing to us then we probably can't have any real charity or compassion for our fellow human beings.  Our human race has a very real and material hierarchy of human genetics (as well as of languages, civilizations and, above all, religions) and it is only to be expected that the best religion (Catholicism) naturally emphasises ALL the best and most superior aspects of the human race.

    As Europe is geographically the most pleasant and beautiful continent of the world, as Rome (or Europe) is the most superior and joyful civilization in the world, so naturally it is only sensible that the white European genetics of ours has been at the biological core of Catholicism because it is also the best genetics on earth.  Would Our Lord fail to make his own everything that is best?  Therefore our entire racial heritage, including our languages, manners, genetics and religion, are ALL of them quite naturally and rightly simply THE BEST.

    Humility isn't disdaining the created hierarchic human race in favour of an imaginary humanity of egalitarian interchangeable cogs in a machine that don't and can't exist.  Humility for white European Catholics begins with GRATITUDE to the Good Lord for all the ways in which He has blessed us and made us the pinnacle and envy of our entire human species.  (The Catholics are the most envied and hated by the Jews BECAUSE the Catholics are usually the best.  If not then the Jews wouldn't envy and hate us.)  Along with gratitude for God's religion that blesses our souls, we should also be grateful to our God and ancestors for our human bodies together with the many other temporal gifts of Romanity and therefore grateful for our white European ROMAN RACE!

    And then we can begin to have more genuine humility towards our white European selves and charity towards our fellow European white folk.  Because charity begins with humble gratitude.

    P.S.:  Of course miscegenation isn't ALWAYS wrong and its illegality is something for the CATHOLIC STATE to enforce, not the Catholic Church.  Still, what our Catholic State and the Old Testament have always rigidly forbidden by force of law is also something gravely sinful.  Not ALWAYS, but surely at least NORMALLY with only few exceptions.




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    « Reply #53 on: August 06, 2012, 08:00:26 AM »
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    It is not that there is no such thing as race.  I am white, not black or Asian.  I am simply saying that the  suggestion that race matters ultimately is idolatry and the suggestion that people cannot or even should not marry outside their race is not Catholic.  


    well said......
    Proud "European American" and prouder, still, Catholic

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    « Reply #54 on: August 06, 2012, 08:05:44 AM »
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    As Europe is geographically the most pleasant and beautiful continent of the world,


    huh? what makes it "geographically pleasant" based on what comparisons? Is it pleasant for the Swedes, say, in December-several feet of snow, bitter cold? or England, perpetually over cast and damp?

    is not say Costa Rica much better in weather, temperature and growing seasons and ability to grow? or Vilca in Ecuador?

    Never been to SE Asia, but perhaps vlad or someone here could comment on that.

    As a fellow that is overwhelemingly Western/Central European, of course I feel close and tied to those areas, but would not want to live, permanant in most of those areas (though, would love to be able to get residency in UK prior to vote in 2014 on Scottish Indpendance, which if vote God willing passes, would have chance to get citizenship!) I lan, hopefully soon ,to move, at least part of yr to CR or points south. Malta would be great-went there in fall, but cannot find work there and they are sliding, quickly, to godlessness......
    Proud "European American" and prouder, still, Catholic

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    « Reply #55 on: August 06, 2012, 08:09:37 AM »
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  • If, as the Apostle St.Paul says, in Christ there is neither Jew nor Greek, it follows that in His Kingdom there cannot be undue divisions between His servants merely on account of their different nationalities and races. The same Apostle points out that it is faith that counts, and even the most noble genealogical descent avails nothing without it.


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    « Reply #56 on: August 06, 2012, 08:50:51 AM »
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  • True.........the main issue would be cultural....not to say the in Hispanic nations there is not divides, but all in all,. races mingled better and a lot less racism then in Protestant N. AMerica and where they took over (like Florida).....
    Proud "European American" and prouder, still, Catholic

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    « Reply #57 on: August 06, 2012, 03:28:36 PM »
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    It is not that there is no such thing as race.  I am white, not black or Asian.  I am simply saying that the  suggestion that race matters ultimately is idolatry and the suggestion that people cannot or even should not marry outside their race is not Catholic.  
    Maybe, maybe not.

    What if people suggest that they prefer to stay within their race to marry and procreate? Is that now a sin? How about if they encourage their children to do the same, is that a "sin" as well? Is it some kind of mortal sin to desire your children and grandchildren to look remotely like you and your spouse?

    First of all, let's all get something straight, the Church is basically silent on these issues so everyone's opinion on here is irrelevant, besides, it's that and only that, an opinion. I believe, the Church is silent because, if you abide by what the Church teaches, what God's law stipulates, you will be blessed with progeny that are of your own kind anyway. This is how a race or a culture and ethnicity maintains it's existence and prosperity, by obeying God's commands and not succuмbing to the Judaic or earthly worldview and mindset.

    The problem is "whites" have sold out to the big Jєωιѕн lies on contraception, abortion, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity, divorce and miscegenation. They have sold out to big Jew for the money and materialism and hedonism of self satisfaction, so now they are reaping the rewards of self-extinction and biological genocide. If whites continued to   obey natural law (God's law) they wouldn't be in this position to begin with. A few people marrying outside their race wouldn't be an issue and they would've never have given Jews the power to destroy the family unit and open their borders to massive third world illegal immigration which in the end will be the destruction of white Christian man as we know it.

    Whites, if they are to survive as a people, need to look inward first and go back to building strong family and spiritual values and tell the Jews and liberals to piss off when they try to corner them on eventual guilt trip of "tolerance" and "racism". These are all leftists commie Jew constructs that are meant to usurp a people so they can divide and conquer a race/culture, extract all they can from it and move on. they've been doing it for thousands of years, nothing new here.

    Stay true to your faith and family and there will be no need to defend your position of self-preservation to the Judaics and their shabbas goyim who've infiltrated your halls of govt and houses of worship. Even Michael the ArchAngel didn't argue with the father of lies, he just proclimed the Lord rebuked him and moved on.

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    « Reply #58 on: August 06, 2012, 04:08:41 PM »
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    What if people suggest that they prefer to stay within their race to marry and procreate? Is that now a sin?

    No, but it is wrong to tell others that it is a sin to marry outside their race.
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    How about if they encourage their children to do the same, is that a "sin" as well? Is it some kind of mortal sin to desire your children and grandchildren to look remotely like you and your spouse?

    It may not be a sin, but it seems a bit vain to me. It's God's image we're meant to see in others, not our own. Furthermore, there's no guarantee that grandchildren will resemble you just because your child has married someone of the same race. There's something wrong if your love of your descendants is dependent upon their resembling you. There's always the possibility of Down's Syndrome anyway.
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    First of all, let's all get something straight, the Church is basically silent on these issues...

    Which She would not be if it were that important.
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    I believe, the Church is silent because, if you abide by what the Church teaches, what God's law stipulates, you will be blessed with progeny that are of your own kind anyway...

    Your progeny are your own kind, no matter what they look like, or their racial make-up. If they are your progeny, they are your progeny.
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    The problem is "whites" have sold out to the big Jєωιѕн lies on contraception, abortion, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity, divorce and miscegenation.

    The first four of those things are serious sins. The last is not even a venial sin.

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    « Reply #59 on: August 06, 2012, 04:27:32 PM »
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    It may not be a sin, but it seems a bit vain to me.


    I think there might be a middle ground here. If those who for some legitimate reason would prefer spouses (for themselves or for their children) from their own race or nationality would admit that those who choose otherwise do not sin in in the least by doing so, or are not to be segregated in some way, as if such schisms were permissible in the body of Christ, then I don't see that the Church condemns that either.