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Offline Mr G

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Re: Where’s the Vocations?
« Reply #30 on: June 09, 2021, 10:06:07 AM »
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  • I suppose the fact that the Resistance never encourages vocations is certainly a factor.


    From the little SAJM chapel I go to , they encourage vocations every week with prayers for priests, seminarians and for priestly vocations.

    Offline SeanJohnson

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    Re: Where’s the Vocations?
    « Reply #31 on: June 09, 2021, 10:10:34 AM »
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  • Understandng of the NOM has nothing to do with sedevacantism.  Pax and Stubborn are R&R, and they have a similar view of the NOM that I do.  Why do you insist on conflating things over and over again?

    It is your/their misunderstanding of Trent and sacramental theology that is off, as well as the NOM.

    30 pages of contorted arguments could not dislodge Trent (as though the Church’s dogmas ceased to apply after V2).

    All the necessary distinctions missing (sincerity, disposition, obex gratiae, solemn vs essential rite, sacrament incessantly conflated with rite, etc all ignored and passed over in order to protect a desired conclusion).  

    Add to that a slew of refuted cleverly or ignorantly extracted Lefebvre quotes to support the desired conclusion, and the feeble attempts to explain away Lefebvre’s cσncєnтrαтισn cαмρ acknowledgement that grace passes, and his acknowledgment that Catholics satisfy their Sunday obligation by attending an alleged non-Catholic rite, all of which again were erroneously used to conclude Williamson had broken with Lefebvre (but all neglecting to perceive that although Lefebvre’s prudential position regarding attendance at the NOM changed, his THEOLOGY regarding grace passes/does not pass never changed).

    Neither did Struthio’s contorted attempts to redefine Trent’s dogmatic pronouncements in his own image prevail (first it was Trent only applies to Catholic rites, and the NOM doesn’t qualify because not “received,” then it was not “handed down,” then the pope had no right to create new rites, etc., all of which was disproven by Mediator Dei, and were it true, would have resulted in graceless sacraments for Pius XII’s new Holy Week rites, etc.

    No, my friends, you who opposed the dogma that validly confected sacraments infallibly produce sanctifying grace, and transmit it to all who do not erect an obstacle to said transmission, have, by your own private interpretation, rejected a dogmatic definition, and rendered yourselves at least materially heretics.
    Romans 5:20 "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

    -I retract any and all statements I have made that are incongruent with the True Faith, and apologize for ever having made them-


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    Re: Where’s the Vocations?
    « Reply #32 on: June 09, 2021, 10:11:18 AM »
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  • Yet the attitude of STAS was that if you’re not suited to the SSPX priestly lifestyle, then you have no vocation.  There was never any thought of “Maybe you have a vocation to be a Benedictine.” ... but rather, if you don’t relish being an SSPX priest then you have no vocation.

    I wonder if the SSPX had  doubts about the loyalty of the Religious Orders even back then, which was put to the test in 2012. I learned afterwards (after 2012) from an SSPX priest that said the SSPX is not to encourage male vocations to any of the Religious Orders.

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    Re: Where’s the Vocations?
    « Reply #33 on: June 09, 2021, 11:10:12 AM »
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  • I suppose the fact that the Resistance never encourages vocations is certainly a factor.

    I can only speak authoritatively about my own chapel.

    I know that we have no youths or teens there, at least not close to 18 years old.

    Just my family, a few other young families (children are 5 and under), and of course some older parishioners.

    Let's put it this way: our chapel literally could not hold a Young Adult Gathering (of single, young people) even if we wanted to. There are ZERO parishioners who qualify, so there is no question as to how many would show up. There MIGHT be a few on the e-mail list, but the e-mail list and the parishioners who show up for most Masses are two completely different things...
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