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Offline SeanJohnson

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Where’s the Vocations?
« on: June 08, 2021, 03:08:06 PM »
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  • Only 3 to be ordained by the SSPX in VA this year.  That’s about as small a group as I can recall in the last 30 years.

    And the Resistance has 0 Americans In formation.

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    Re: Where’s the Vocations?
    « Reply #1 on: June 08, 2021, 03:14:52 PM »
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  • They're all with Pablo and Father Pfeiffer. But about them only ordaining three, I thought the SSPX had a reputation of dismissing most of their seminarians without explaining why, but merely saying they don't have a vocation.
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    Re: Where’s the Vocations?
    « Reply #2 on: June 08, 2021, 03:23:16 PM »
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  • Only 3 to be ordained by the SSPX in VA this year.  That’s about as small a group as I can recall in the last 30 years.

    And the Resistance has 0 Americans In formation.

    :(
    I think Avrillé has a number of American seminarians attached to them? I'm aware of at least three who are enrolled with formation there.
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    Re: Where’s the Vocations?
    « Reply #3 on: June 08, 2021, 03:24:41 PM »
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  • I think Avrillé has a number of American seminarians attached to them? I'm aware of at least three who are enrolled with formation there.
    Oh?  That’s (good) news to me.
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    Re: Where’s the Vocations?
    « Reply #4 on: June 08, 2021, 03:34:48 PM »
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  • I don't know enough about either of those groups to answer, but vocations tend to be a very small percentage of the population. So depending on how many people there are going to the Resistance chapels, if it's a fairly small number, that could be the reason.
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    But I agree with you that a complete lack of vocations in any group of reasonable size indicates some sort of problem, but I have no idea what it could be.


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    Re: Where’s the Vocations?
    « Reply #5 on: June 08, 2021, 03:59:27 PM »
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  • In the end, vocations are still a miracle, as +ABL said decades ago.

    ...only the World is that much further downhill now. So if vocations were miraculous before, they're super-miraculous now.

    I know a young man who was super interested in serving Mass. He was basically a Liturgy Nerd. He was not only a serious Catholic, but showed a lot of promise for having a vocation. As he approached 18, however, he was scandalized by the young lady(ies) at his chapel (I believe there was some romantic interest and/or courtship -- I don't know if it was mutual) and he eventually left to help the Indult with their liturgy, serving, and rubrics. Apparently he changed his mind at some point about trying out his vocation.

    The thing is, I don't know what I would do if I were a young man today. The Resistance, for example, only has a seminary in Asia and France. Not exactly places I want to be. I specifically remember taking it as "God's will" that I not join the I.C.K.S.P. seminary, since they required first going over to Europe to learn French.

    And I'll come right out and say it -- young men who are highly obedient to God/parents, attached to family, loving their mother (and parents, siblings) -- even going so far as "Momma's Boy" -- that's precisely the type of man likely to try out a vocation. Wouldn't you say? In the same way that a choleric person who thinks for himself, willing to argue, stand out, and speak up for himself is MORE LIKELY THAN MOST to become a Traditionalist. What Momma's Boy or good boy is going to want to go overseas and never see his family, when he grew up homeschooled and highly attached to his family?

    Not saying the number is 0, but it's going to be a lot less than 100% of the original pool, if you know what I mean.

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    Re: Where’s the Vocations?
    « Reply #6 on: June 08, 2021, 04:48:53 PM »
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  • I wouldn't be lying if I said that this isn't a tad worrying. 3 ordinations in the US and 3 bishops, none of whom are exactly spring chickens. `

    Find any new priests from overseas and shove them in an English program if they don't speak it already. Bribe someone to expedite the visa paperwork if you have to. But if they want to expand and build more chapels, 3 ordinations/year is not enough.
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    Re: Where’s the Vocations?
    « Reply #7 on: June 08, 2021, 05:17:43 PM »
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  • It is my understanding that Most Holy Trinity Seminary (Bishop Sanborn) currently has 14 seminarians in various steps along the way to the priesthood and expecting a couple of more.  Mater Dei (CMRI) has 7 seminarians perhaps more.  


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    Re: Where’s the Vocations?
    « Reply #8 on: June 08, 2021, 05:30:50 PM »
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  • It is my understanding that Most Holy Trinity Seminary (Bishop Sanborn) currently has 14 seminarians in various steps along the way to the priesthood and expecting a couple of more.  Mater Dei (CMRI) has 7 seminarians perhaps more.  

    Sure but that’s just total seminarians.  Most never make it.

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    Re: Where’s the Vocations?
    « Reply #9 on: June 08, 2021, 05:42:30 PM »
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  • Sure but that’s just total seminarians.  Most never make it.
    Yes, but it seems like other posts are presenting seminarians as possible vocations as well.  

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    Re: Where’s the Vocations?
    « Reply #10 on: June 08, 2021, 05:44:04 PM »
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  • St. John Bosco said every 3rd boy has a priestly or religious vocation.

    But I don’t see the fruits today.
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    Re: Where’s the Vocations?
    « Reply #11 on: June 08, 2021, 05:44:27 PM »
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  • I wonder if most seminarians in the pre-crisis Church were also dismissed.

    For some reason, I tend to think that most of the boys who are dismissed from traditionalist seminaries are so because of politics and not because they would be bad priests.

    If you have sedevacantist tendencies, chances are you will be expelled from a SSPX seminary.
    If you think for yourself, chances are you will be expelled from a SSPX seminary.
    If you are not a dogmatic sedevancantist, but mere a "speculative sedevacantist", chances are you will be expelled from Bp. Sanborn's seminary.

    Most never make it, but is it really because they would be bad priests?

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    Re: Where’s the Vocations?
    « Reply #12 on: June 08, 2021, 05:56:42 PM »
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  • I wonder if most seminarians in the pre-crisis Church were also dismissed.

    For some reason, I tend to think that most of the boys who are dismissed from traditionalist seminaries are so because of politics and not because they would be bad priests.

    If you have sedevacantist tendencies, chances are you will be expelled from a SSPX seminary.
    If you think for yourself, chances are you will be expelled from a SSPX seminary.
    If you are not a dogmatic sedevancantist, but mere a "speculative sedevacantist", chances are you will be expelled from Bp. Sanborn's seminary.

    Most never make it, but is it really because they would be bad priests?
    I think you're right in highlighting the role of politics. It goes to show the complete disarray of the so-called traditionalist "movement" these days. They prop up their politics right along with the Catholic Faith and gauge their seminarians off of it. It's very disheartening to see.
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    Re: Where’s the Vocations?
    « Reply #13 on: June 08, 2021, 06:56:29 PM »
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  • I don't think politics is the explanation.  

    Obviously, if you go to someone's seminary, it is a foregone conclusion that you share their positions, or what the hell are you doing there?  Using them for ordination?  Of course such seminarians who disagree with the official positions of the group whose seminary they attend should be dismissed!  If they aren't, you will have many repeat performances of the two sede priests who were ordained for the Society one day, and left with the 9 the next.

    Or should the Resistance seminaries accept seminarians who are all for rallying to unconverted Rome?



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    Re: Where’s the Vocations?
    « Reply #14 on: June 08, 2021, 07:30:47 PM »
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  • The female Religious Orders that are affiliated with the SSPX are growing like wildfire.  The Carmelites in the U.S., the Benedictine Sisters in Silver City, NM, and the Consoling Sisters of the Sacred Heart of Jesus are all seeing record numbers of vocations. The Consoling Sisters are having 11 postulants taking the habit next Friday on the Feast of the Sacred Heart (of which 10 are Americans) and the Silver City convent of the Benedictine Nuns which is still new here in the U.S. already has a waiting list!