Author Topic: When to start spanking? (Read 10167 times)

keepingitsafe · « **Reply #20 on:** February 08, 2013, 04:08:56 PM »

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How dare you accuse me of trying to corrupt the meaning of scripture?

I'll go further than that. You're lying.

The translation often given is "beat" in that verse of Ecclesiasticus. Did you acknowledge that that's what chastise means in context? Of course not. You are dishonest.

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By trying to figure out how you were defining a word?

No, by denying that the word means what it means.

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We are coming up with different definitions for the same words.

The word only has one meaning in context. You aren't admitting the meaning, because you're not interested in honest discussion.

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I spread decption? By saying I read a priest's perspective on how that phrase is used now, and how it doesn't have to mean "to hit"?

Yes, a modernist deception. The Church has always accepted the plain meaning of those passages. Then some liberal priest decides to redefine it, and you go along with it because you don't like corporal punishment.

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I have tried to subvert Catholic teaching? I have all kinds of literature, taught by a traditional parish, and none of it speaks of the absolute NECESSITY of beating one's children. I have listened to traditional priests give lectures on this issue. You have twisted my words from my original post to accuse me of some vile stuff, and I am not falling for it.

Now you move the goal-posts and suggest that you were claiming it was about "absolute necessity"

You need to admit that the Bible counsels corporal punishment, and that the Church has always understood that the Bible authorizes it.

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Again, your anger-demon is not going to get me. You have done an awful thing by making the accusations you have just made. Still not mad over here, just disgusted and a little sad. You know nothing about me, and I cannot believe someone would say those things to me in real life. How the computer acts as a shield!

You act like a typical malicious liberal, smearing my justified indignation at your disgusting falsification of scripture as some sort of personal problem.

We cannot permit vicious people such as yourself to participate in the smearing of trad parents by cultural marxists, liberal "Catholics", and their "trad" collaborators.

I will happily clarify my position with a traditional priest the next time I get to sit-down with one. I did not do what you are accusing me of, and you need to stop, for your own sake.

Those who know me and read my actual words in the OP would all off their chairs in shock and laughter to read your last response. Cultural marxist I am not, liberal "Catholic" I am not either. Truly crazy, your responses have become.Oh, if you only knew.

If anyone who matters to this site is reading, Tele has suggested a ban for me. If he is the rule of this forum, please ban me.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #21 on:** February 08, 2013, 04:11:44 PM »

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I spread decption? By saying I read a priest's perspective on how that phrase is used now, and how it doesn't have to mean "to hit"?

Just out of curiosity, do you know what group this priest belongs to?

Telesphorus · « **Reply #22 on:** February 08, 2013, 04:12:54 PM »

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Those who know me and read my actual words in the OP would all off their chairs in shock and laughter to read your last response. Cultural marxist I am not, liberal "Catholic" I am not either. Truly crazy, your responses have become.Oh, if you only knew.

No, what's truly crazy is not admitting that the Bible says what it says. You are creating an opening for those who are cultural marxists who want to take children away from trad families for "abuse."

And how? By dishonestly saying they are mistaken about the Bible, when they believe what has always been believed.

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If anyone who matters to this site is reading, Tele has suggested a ban for me. If he is the rule of this forum, please ban me.

Anyone who denies the plain meaning of a simple injunction, going against all Church tradition on the subject, really shouldn't be posting here. Such a person has already accepted relativism.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #23 on:** February 08, 2013, 04:22:25 PM »

Tele is right, and the verse he quotes isn't the only one:

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Proverbs 13:24 He who spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is diligent to discipline him.

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Proverbs 22:15 Folly is bound up in the heart of a child, but the rod of discipline drives it far from him.

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Proverbs 23:13-14 Do not withhold discipline from a child; if you beat him with a rod, he will not die. If you beat him with the rod you will save his life from Sheol.

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Proverbs 29:15,17 The rod and reproof give wisdom, but a child left to himself brings shame to his mother. . . . Discipline your son, and he will give you rest; he will give delight to your heart.

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Ecclesiasticus (Sirach) 30:1,12-13 He who loves his son will whip him often, in order that he may rejoice at the way he turns out . . . Bow down his neck in his youth, and beat his sides while he is young, lest he become stubborn and disobey you, and you have sorrow of soul from him. Discipline your son and take pains with him, that you may not be offended by his shamelessness.

PenitentWoman · « **Reply #24 on:** February 08, 2013, 04:27:52 PM »

I can see that the Bible speaks favorably of spanking, but is it sinful not to spank?

My daughter will be 16 months next week. She is very well behaved. The only time she really makes a fuss is when she is rightfully exhausted and ends up frustrated with something. Maybe I'm a bad mother, but I can't even imagine spanking her. :sad:

Even when she is older, I'm not sure I could bring myself to do it. :cry: