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When the father of out-of-wedlock baby promises to stay
« on: May 23, 2014, 03:46:01 PM »
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  • They Had Only Dated for Weeks, But When She Became Pregnant He Devoted Himself to Their Baby
    by Christina Martin | Washington, DC | LifeNews.com | 5/22/14 10:48 AM

    Washington, DC (LiveActionNews) — I sat across from her in the client room. Her face told her story before she opened her mouth. She was tired, physically ill from her pregnancy and emotionally shattered. I listened intently and when it was my turn to speak I asked her how she got to this place. Her story is one I’ve heard so many times before. She trusted a man, she opened her heart, a sɛҳuąƖ relationship began and a child was conceived.

    ‘Will he be around to help with the baby?, I asked’. ‘Not at all’, she said. ‘I haven’t even seen him in months’. ‘When I told him I was pregnant he told me to keep the baby because he would help me with it.’ ‘Has he helped you in any way?’, I questioned. ‘No’, she replied. ‘Even when I got very sick with a disease related to pregnancy, he didn’t visit me once in the hospital’. ‘I’m not even sure if his family knows he got a girl pregnant’.

    fatherbaby2When a father makes a promise to stay it gives a woman hope. When he breaks that promise it tears her apart on the inside. Some of our clients come into the pregnancy center I work for with a tough shell over their hearts. ‘I don’t need him’, they say. ‘I can do this alone’, they tell themselves. Other women are honest with their fears. One mom admitted quietly, ‘I’m just worried about being in the labor room alone and not having someone by my side’.

    Jessica Rassette found herself in a situation quite similar to the ones I’ve mentioned. In a NY Times article titled, ‘His Promise would not be denied‘ Jessica describes the utter anxiety she felt over an unplanned pregnancy at the tender young age of 20. After a short time of dating Jessica realized she was pregnant. She wrote about her experience telling her then boyfriend Tom.

    “I’m pregnant,” I said.

    He ran his hands through his hair until it poked up in a funny, Jack Nicholson kind of way. He didn’t fall backward, but just slowly leaned until he was flat on the ground, sweat glistening on his forehead and arms.

    “We can get married,” he said. “I will take care of you.”

    Tom did just as he promised. The story wasn’t as simple as guy gets girl pregnant, guy and girl marry and live happily ever after. Even Tom’s promise to care for Jessica didn’t cause her heart to be at rest. Jessica broke up with Tom and ran to her parent’s house for refugee. In a patient and loving way, Tom refused to give up hope. He lovingly pursued Jessica and let her know he would wait until she was ready. He seemingly knew she was uncertain and fearful, yet he wanted to be a support to her.

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    When Jessica gave birth to their son, her mom insisted she let Tom come to the hospital. She stayed in the hospital for 6 days and each day Tom came with a smile on his face and courage in his heart. He eventually won her over with his persistent love. Now they have three children and Jessica writes about their adventures in her popular blog called ‘Little Victories with Bub, Teebs and Scooter’. Jessica closed her NY times article with these words about her husband:

    “What kind of man loves like that? What kind of man lets two words spoken on a front porch spark a fire of devotion that can’t be put out? What kind of 23-year-old boyfriend you’ve been with for only a few weeks says, “I will take care of you,” and then does?”

    Jessica and Tom’s story is uniquely their own. I wouldn’t expect every father to marry the mother of his unborn child. Truth is, it’s not the best choice depending on your circuмstance. However every father does have a responsibility to love his children. That’s not negotiable. Over the years I’ve met many women who were pushed towards abortion because the father refused to stay. We know all men are not this heartless. I’ve also seen fathers who were broken because they wanted to keep their child, but the mother chose abortion on her own. Regardless of the situation it’s vital that men know their value as a father. When they give a promise to stay, they must follow through. As we’ve seen in Jessica’s story, it makes all the difference in the lives of their children.
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    « Reply #1 on: May 23, 2014, 03:49:48 PM »
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  • This should remind us that, in the struggle against Abortion, all the focus shouldn't be on the women.

    1. It takes two to tango. For every woman who "falls" out of weakness, there was a man there to push her...

    2. Men will be held accountable by God for every abortion they counseled or *allowed to happen* by fornicating.

    3. Some worldly people wonder why God considers "having a bit of fun" to be a mortal sin worthy of Hell. Well, if you think about it a bit (damage to child, taking away a solid home from a child, etc.) it makes more sense. And this age of easy abortion, I'd say the sin of fornication just got that much more grave!
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    « Reply #2 on: May 23, 2014, 05:31:52 PM »
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  • Whether the man is to blame or not, women have the control on whether a fetus is to be aborted. The father of a child has no rights when it comes to keeping the child alive, as the woman has the "right" to do that.

    Also let it not be mistaken that many women love abortion in that they don't have to deal with the consequences of being a swinger or a whore.

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    When the father of out-of-wedlock baby promises to stay
    « Reply #3 on: May 23, 2014, 05:47:41 PM »
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  • The state has put the responsibility of having an abortion on the woman. It doesn't matter if the man wants her to have an abortion, if the woman doesn't the baby will live. It doesn't matter if the man wants her to keep the baby if she wants to have an abortion the man and the baby have no rights and the baby will die. Because the state has put all of the authority on the woman and none on the man, the responsibility is mostly on the woman.
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    « Reply #4 on: May 23, 2014, 06:33:31 PM »
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  • Quote from: Matthew
    This should remind us that, in the struggle against Abortion, all the focus shouldn't be on the women.

    1. It takes two to tango. For every woman who "falls" out of weakness, there was a man there to push her...

    2. Men will be held accountable by God for every abortion they counseled or *allowed to happen* by fornicating.

    3. Some worldly people wonder why God considers "having a bit of fun" to be a mortal sin worthy of Hell. Well, if you think about it a bit (damage to child, taking away a solid home from a child, etc.) it makes more sense. And this age of easy abortion, I'd say the sin of fornication just got that much more grave!


    Fornicating is not allowing an abortion to happen.

    Secondly there are married women who obtain surgical and medical abortions. If you count in those who take hormonal "contraception" that has abortifacient mechanism you have a large % of married women.


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    « Reply #5 on: May 23, 2014, 07:27:58 PM »
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  • Matthew can correct me if I'm wrong but it seems like he's trying to bring to light the difference between "legal rights" and moral responsibilities. In most cases, although the woman actually takes the physical steps to take birth control or have abortions, men have their fair share of moral responsibility. Men these days are generally just as happy to have birth control and other "options" as women are. And let's not forget the old snip-snip, a popular procedure -- not for nothing.

    Growing up I saw the majority of (non-Catholic) girls around me get "trained" right out of their natural desires for marriage and babies by their boyfriends. God forbid you mention the "M" word!! God forbid you want to know what the future holds for your relationship! God forbid you actually want babies with him! It's reiterated by society at large but especially by boyfriends, that those desires make you "needy" and you'll get dumped and be avoided by all men, probably even be a laughing stock.

    Eventually the girls suppress their natural desires and conform to what the boys want and what society tells them is "healthy", but it's usually there in the beginning.

    People really underestimate how strongly the desire to please men is engrained in women! They will even suppress their natural desires in order to hang on to him!

    But good men sure don't get the credit they deserve in today's world. I think even many in the secular world are beginning to realize that. It's good to hear stories like this where a man is willing to take responsibility and not only strive to make things right but elevate it to love, marriage, a family and a future together. She must be very grateful!







       


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    « Reply #6 on: May 23, 2014, 07:33:53 PM »
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    Matthew can correct me if I'm wrong but it seems like he's trying to bring to light the difference between "legal rights" and moral responsibilities. In most cases, although the woman actually takes the physical steps to take birth control or have abortions, men have their fair share of moral responsibility. Men these days are generally just as happy to have birth control and other "options" as women are. And let's not forget the old snip-snip, a popular procedure -- not for nothing.

    Growing up I saw the majority of (non-Catholic) girls around me get "trained" right out of their natural desires for marriage and babies by their boyfriends. God forbid you mention the "M" word!! God forbid you want to know what the future holds for your relationship! God forbid you actually want babies with him! It's reiterated by society at large but especially by boyfriends, that those desires make you "needy" and you'll get dumped and be avoided by all men, probably even be a laughing stock.

    Eventually the girls suppress their natural desires and conform to what the boys want and what society tells them is "healthy", but it's usually there in the beginning.

    People really underestimate how strongly the desire to please men is engrained in women! They will even suppress their natural desires in order to hang on to him!

    But good men sure don't get the credit they deserve in today's world. I think even many in the secular world are beginning to realize that. It's good to hear stories like this where a man is willing to take responsibility and not only strive to make things right but elevate it to love, marriage, a family and a future together. She must be very grateful!



    Yes, you're right on track.

    That was my point -- naturally speaking, women follow men. And there are *plenty* of men out there that don't want the responsibility of fatherhood.

    Yes, there are a few guys (who I feel a bit sorry for) who have to watch helplessly as their child is killed because of his wife/girlfriend/date/friend's decision. But I think they are the minority.

    If the man isn't jumping up and down trying to snap the woman out of wanting/having an abortion, he's as guilty as she is.

    Remember, there are several ways we can sin (by example, by counsel, by silence, by command, etc.)
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    « Reply #7 on: May 23, 2014, 10:14:20 PM »
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  • I spent 3 years as a pro-life activist.

    One thing I cannot stand is the male bashing.

    I have seen men pleading with their wives and girl friends outside the clinic trying to save the baby.

    My boss at work went through this. Tried to get his girlfriend to keep it to no avail.

    A decade or so back a man in Texas sued to force his girlfriend not to abort and he was thrown out of court and was barred from knowing where or when the baby would be killed. He had offered to take full custody, had a good job, etc etc.

    The fact of the matter in abortion is this- while there is a chance the man might be an accessory- the woman is the actual murderer.


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    « Reply #8 on: May 23, 2014, 10:26:00 PM »
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  • In my experience of counselling, the majority of men say, "i will support whatever she wants." Very few are man enough to defend the life of their own child.

    Also there are women who would contnue their pregnancies if only men would be men and support them, as the gentleman in Matthew's post did. If saying that is man-bashing, so be it!
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    « Reply #9 on: May 25, 2014, 09:15:02 AM »
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  • Quote from: crossbro

    I spent 3 years as a pro-life activist.

    One thing I cannot stand is the male bashing.

    I have seen men pleading with their wives and girl friends outside the clinic trying to save the baby.

    My boss at work went through this. Tried to get his girlfriend to keep it to no avail.

    A decade or so back a man in Texas sued to force his girlfriend not to abort and he was thrown out of court and was barred from knowing where or when the baby would be killed. He had offered to take full custody, had a good job, etc etc.

    The fact of the matter in abortion is this- while there is a chance the man might be an accessory- the woman is the actual murderer.


    I agree ^ have seen the same.

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    « Reply #10 on: May 25, 2014, 09:23:31 AM »
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  • Quote from: Nadir
    In my experience of counselling, the majority of men say, "i will support whatever she wants." Very few are man enough to defend the life of their own child.

    Also there are women who would contnue their pregnancies if only men would be men and support them, as the gentleman in Matthew's post did. If saying that is man-bashing, so be it!


    We don't blame men if women  murder their toddlers after their boyfriends or husbands break up with them. We would be demanding justice.

    Men have zero recourse when the mother is considering abortion.




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    « Reply #11 on: May 25, 2014, 09:33:46 AM »
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  • Quote from: Nadir
    In my experience of counselling, the majority of men say, "i will support whatever she wants." Very few are man enough to defend the life of their own child.

    Also there are women who would contnue their pregnancies if only men would be men and support them, as the gentleman in Matthew's post did. If saying that is man-bashing, so be it!


    Alright I will act like a real man now and dominate you feminists.

    When women moved into the workforce, based on the ideology of feminism, that cut off a man's responsibilities, while at the same time women were given plush jobs under affirmative action, and meanwhile wives blamed men on not working hard enough. The fault of not providing for the family rests squarely on the women who wished to compete with men in the workforce.

    When it comes to abortion women love abortion these days as has been proved by the millions of abortions going on since it first was a medical procedure. They can become little whores and swingers and have no recourse over their slutty behavior.

    So it seems everything you talk about i.e. not having the support of men, killing a child, etc. again rests solely on the fault of the woman and not the man.

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    « Reply #12 on: May 25, 2014, 11:12:51 AM »
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  • I'll agree with most of what you said, TraditionalGuy, but I must make a couple of points.

    whores get paid and are generally desperate women in unfortunate situations. Sluts give away their flower to any man who might strike their fancy like a dog in heat. Sometimes a dog in heat is actually a more elegant specimen, to be perfectly frank, and also is not capable of acting below its nature, as the slutty woman is and the slut makes a lifestyle of acting below her nature.

    Next, the rebellion of women against men has always existed. It is our burden from Eve.
    In the U.S. the women's birth control/abortion movement was in full-swing by the time the suffragette movement began. Planned parenthood was already up and running and killing babies in Harlem by 1919.

    For the rest of it, I agree. The father is powerless, the child is powerless and all authority legally rests upon the whims of my gender, which is more often than not ruled over by emotions and selfish interests. This is why I'm a men's rights activist. If it is a right, then it belongs to everyone. I'm a marriage activist because if you're married and not slutting it up, this should be a non-issue, barring some grave circuмstance.

    The father of the child should have the right to halt an abortion and to take responsibility for his children.  If the woman decides not to have an abortion, the father is most certainly held liable through the family court system, so why should he also not have the right to care for his child himself?
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    « Reply #13 on: May 25, 2014, 12:15:27 PM »
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  • 'For the rest of it, I agree. The father is powerless, the child is powerless and all authority legally rests upon the whims of my gender, which is more often than not ruled over by emotions and selfish interests. This is why I'm a men's rights activist. If it is a right, then it belongs to everyone. I'm a marriage activist because if you're married and not slutting it up, this should be a non-issue, barring some grave circuмstance.'




    The father of the baby is powerless in legal terms and would not have a legal right to stop his girlfriend/wife from having an abortion and unfortunately this happens sometimes where the father tries to stop the abortion BUT

    in a lot of abortions the guy may say

    * ' ah honey I will support you no matter what you decide and I will pay for the abortion if you want' , that way he gets to justify in his mind if she goes ahead with an abortion that it was her decision and he thinks his hands are clean.  He will think he was a good support to her but in reality subtly he is pushing for an abortion.


    or 'I love you but I am not ready for a baby and what about your college plans etc , get an abortion and I will pay for it' , that way he does not appear to much of a monster when he tells her he loves her.  The 'oh I am thinking of you ' line!!

    or
    'get an abortion or we're through' if all other steps fail.  The 'bully ' guy

    How many times have we read from sidewalk counsellors the amount of times girls are escorted briskly  by angry looking boyfriends.  I have heard from girls who had abortions where they were unsure of how their boyfriend would react to them deciding to keep the baby that they had the abortion to keep him happy only to find the relationship fail because in the cold light of day she resents him for not helping her, I know of one Russian husband who is tormenting his wife to fly home to Russia (abortion not available here in Ireland yet and a flight only costs about e150) , she doesn't want to abort her baby and prolife counsellors are trying to help her.  I know too many of these stories.

    Here is another example

    http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/feb/07/chris-huhne-abortion-vicky-pryce


    It is a myth to think that all men are oppressed when it comes to the abortion decision, it cuts both ways and there are a lot of men acting like Pontias Pilate

    Stating the obvious does not make me a feminist.



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    « Reply #14 on: May 25, 2014, 02:58:01 PM »
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  • Okay yes I will admit that the biggest beneficiaries of abortion and contraception have been selfish men who have tossed women away like Kleenex once they are done with them but you must admit that women love to use abortion and contraception for their own selfish purposes as well.