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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: When A Woman Says You're Not Listening To Me!
« Reply #30 on: June 24, 2018, 11:14:52 AM »
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  • I've visited such sites on occasion -- mostly out of curiosity or when I had lots of free time -- and you sound *exactly* like them. You use all the slang terms (MGTOW, LARP, beta/alpha male, incel, etc.)

    You have that exactly right.  Croix has spent too much time interacting with these types.  Yet their views of what constitutes an "alpha" male are not Catholic.  These would classify Our Lord as a "beta" because He turned the other cheek.  This worldly notion of alpha would have males dominate, use, and abuse women for their pleasure and never give in to them on anything and refuse to sacrifice anything for them.  Men who help women around the house or help with the children are derided as betas.  Most of their iconic alphas are in fact betas in the Catholic sense because they are dominated and controlled by their passions and lust in their domination and use of women.  TRUE CATHOLIC ALPHAS are those whose higher faculties are in complete control of their lower faculties, who have mastery over themselves rather than over others.  Catholic alphas do not exert themselves and their own rights; they exert God and the rights of God and stand firm for God, not themselves.

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    Re: When A Woman Says You're Not Listening To Me!
    « Reply #31 on: June 24, 2018, 12:28:35 PM »
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  • Exactly. 

    And all those non-Catholic beta males on those sites are only interested in self preservation.

    That is what makes any discussion of prenups illicit and pointless: it's about self preservation.


    Whereas Catholic marriage is about dying to self.


    Offline Pax Vobis

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    Re: When A Woman Says You're Not Listening To Me!
    « Reply #32 on: June 24, 2018, 04:36:35 PM »
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    So if a man decides to abandon his wife and children, leaving to fend for themselves, nobody should intervene?  

    Nobody ever said this.


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    The children can be left to starve because we know the man will face a harsh punishment after he dies?
    Or this.


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    You seem to want to use a prenup to compensate for the problems caused by "no-fault divorce".  

    Why not?


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    I think that a better solution is get rid of no-fault divorce.
    Let me know when that get's changed.  Until then, the problems still must be faced.

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    Re: When A Woman Says You're Not Listening To Me!
    « Reply #33 on: June 24, 2018, 05:21:28 PM »
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  • I think this topic demonstrates the evils of the separation of Church and state.  In a truly Catholic society, the Church would be over the state, and divorce would not even be an option...this whole conversation would then be a moot point. 


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    Re: When A Woman Says You're Not Listening To Me!
    « Reply #34 on: June 24, 2018, 05:54:49 PM »
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  • You have that exactly right.  Croix has spent too much time interacting with these types.  Yet their views of what constitutes an "alpha" male are not Catholic.  
    You don't even know me. The fact is I spend very little time on no more than one or two of those sites. Both are YouTube channels, and one speaks more about "manosphere" topics, but it actually has criticized manosphere & MGTOW, too, and the other one rarely talks about those issues, but recently it addressed MGTOW and it was also critical of it. The terms "LARP", "Alpha"/"Beta", etc. are more used by people commenting on the live chat. It's merely coincidental that they use it and I use the same terms. Your Post Hoc fallacy is that I started using those words after I viewed those YT channels. Moreover, I spend far more time on CathInfo than those sites.



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    These would classify Our Lord as a "beta" because He turned the other cheek.  This worldly notion of alpha would have males dominate, use, and abuse women for their pleasure and never give in to them on anything and refuse to sacrifice anything for them.
    I never argued from that warped perspective. The fact is the word "meek" in Hebrew means to have the ability to physically impose your will or domination over another person, but you refrain from it in situations where it's not necessary. You don't arbitrarily push another person or nation around for a sense of pleasure or a greedy, self-serving agenda. You only use force and dominate when it upholds a righteous cause (God's Divine and natural law; and self defense, etc).

    Meek is not being physically weak or ineffective. Being a weak person is not a virtue because there's no ability to harm another person. With a lack of ability, there is no true free will in that area.

    Jesus Christ is an alpha male. St. John the Forerunner was an alpha (or sigma). The apostles were alphas after Christ ascended into Heaven.


    Blessed be the Lord my God, who teacheth my hands to fight, and my fingers to war. ~ Psalms 143:1 (Douay-Rheims)


     

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