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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: When A Woman Says You're Not Listening To Me!
« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2018, 08:28:15 PM »

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There are legitimate concerns that planning what one will do in the case of divorce is not compatible with the Catholic teaching that divorce is never an option. 
You’re not distinguishing between CIVIL divorce (which the church allows in certain circuмstances) and divorce/re-marriage, which is never allowed.  

God tells us that murder is a grave offense.  Does that mean it doesn’t happen?  Does that mean we shouldn’t take precautions to protect ourselves in dangerous situations?  

God tells us that divorce/theft/re-marriage is a grave offense.  Does that mean it doesn’t happen?  Does that mean we shouldn’t take precautions to protect oneself from this evil?

If one commits the sin of murder the state steps in and sends the person to jail, as they should.  Also, people have the right to self-defense and the right to kill one who is threatening their life. 

If one commits the sin of divorce (assuming it's not Church sanctioned, which should be rare), the state does NOT step in and help achieve justice; they promote and encourage injustice and mockery of a sacrament and a contract.  Does the spouse who is being divorced unjustly not have a right to self-defense and a protection of what is rightly theirs?

In the same way that guns/weapons deter criminals and promote safety, one could argue that a prenup could deter a temptation to destroy a marriage, which would be a great thing, and could ensure that spouses “work out their differences” and thus save them from hell.  

Re: When A Woman Says You're Not Listening To Me!
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2018, 08:30:54 PM »
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: When A Woman Says You're Not Listening To Me!
« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2018, 08:36:59 PM »
No doubt you will say it again and again, but it does not get any more true no matter how many times you repeat it.

There are legitimate concerns that planning what one will do in the case of divorce is not compatible with the Catholic teaching that divorce is never an option.  Unable to address these concerns, you make up motives that you attribute to those who oppose prenups. There is no basis whatsoever for your claims.

I can see this both ways.  Civil divorces do not exist in the eyes of God and of the Church, but there could be cases of separation as permitted under the circuмstances allowed by the Church (adultery, abuse, etc.) ... which could result also in a civil divorce for various legal and economic reasons.

Re: When A Woman Says You're Not Listening To Me!
« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2018, 08:40:10 PM »
You’re not distinguishing between CIVIL divorce (which the church allows in certain circuмstances) and divorce/re-marriage, which is never allowed.  

God tells us that murder is a grave offense.  Does that mean it doesn’t happen?  Does that mean we shouldn’t take precautions to protect ourselves in dangerous situations?  

God tells us that divorce/theft/re-marriage is a grave offense.  Does that mean it doesn’t happen?  Does that mean we shouldn’t take precautions to protect oneself from this evil?

If one commits the sin of murder the state steps in and sends the person to jail, as they should.  Also, people have the right to self-defense and the right to kill one who is threatening their life.

If one commits the sin of divorce (assuming it's not Church sanctioned, which should be rare), the state does NOT step in and help achieve justice; they promote and encourage injustice and mockery of a sacrament and a contract.  Does the spouse who is being divorced unjustly not have a right to self-defense and a protection of what is rightly theirs?

In the same way that guns/weapons deter criminals and promote safety, one could argue that a prenup could deter a temptation to destroy a marriage, which would be a great thing, and could ensure that spouses “work out their differences” and thus save them from hell. 
We don't actually know that a prenup deters temptation.  It is just as possible that a couple would hit a rough spot in their marriage and the prenup would make divorce seem like a better option. 

And how does one know at the time of the prenup which spouse will be divorce unjustly and need protection?

Re: When A Woman Says You're Not Listening To Me!
« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2018, 08:47:10 PM »
Croix, can you give an example of what your prenup would say?  Maybe if we all read it, we could make a more informed decision. 

It's simple. A woman gets absolutely nothing in the wake of a "divorce" she files against her husband. No house, no assets, no wealth, no car, no savings account. Also, barring any provable threat to the safety of their children, the kids stay with him.

The only thing she keeps is what the husband gave her in the marriage.  He shouldn't take anything back that he gave or bought for her. "Benedict Arnolds" are no good.