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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: When A Woman Says You're Not Listening To Me!
« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2018, 08:53:13 PM »

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We don't actually know that a prenup deters temptation.  

If it was written properly, it could.


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It is just as possible that a couple would hit a rough spot in their marriage and the prenup would make divorce seem like a better option. 
In Croix's example, assuming that the Church did not authorize a CIVIL divorce for the valid reasons of violence/cheating, then if the spouse who sought the sinful divorce was not rewarded with financial assets, this would no doubt deter one from exiting the marriage for frivolous reasons.


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And how does one know at the time of the prenup which spouse will be divorce unjustly and need protection?
Duh, you don't.  It would be written equally to the benefit/protection of both spouses.
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Offline Jaynek

Re: When A Woman Says You're Not Listening To Me!
« Reply #11 on: June 23, 2018, 08:58:17 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on June 23, 2018, 08:36:59 PM
I can see this both ways.  Civil divorces do not exist in the eyes of God and of the Church, but there could be cases of separation as permitted under the circuŠ¼stances allowed by the Church (adultery, abuse, etc.) ... which could result also in a civil divorce for various legal and economic reasons.
I could imagine a prenup being written that specifically said that it only applied to civil divorce and that the couple would still be married in the eyes of God.  That would address my main objection.
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Offline Jaynek

Re: When A Woman Says You're Not Listening To Me!
« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2018, 09:01:04 PM »
Quote from: Pax Vobis on June 23, 2018, 08:53:13 PM
Duh, you don't.  It would be written equally to the benefit/protection of both spouses.
Could you be more specific, please?  I cannot think of how to do that.
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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: When A Woman Says You're Not Listening To Me!
« Reply #13 on: June 23, 2018, 09:05:55 PM »
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I could imagine a prenup being written that specifically said that it only applied to civil divorce and that the couple would still be married in the eyes of God. 
I don't mean to be rude, but this should have been obvious from the start of this whole discussion.  There's nothing that a prenup could do to change a sacrament.  The entire conversation is based around the notion that civil divorces are financially unjust to men.  It has nothing to do with the sacrament, or with promoting re-marriage.  The purpose of a prenup is to prevent court-approved, unjust theft from men, should a woman initiate a sinful divorce.  It would also include language which would deter men from spousal abuse and cheating and if a woman was given a church-approved reason to separate from her husband due to violence, then she would be financially taken care of.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: When A Woman Says You're Not Listening To Me!
« Reply #14 on: June 23, 2018, 09:06:40 PM »
Quote from: Jaynek on June 23, 2018, 08:58:17 PM
I could imagine a prenup being written that specifically said that it only applied to civil divorce and that the couple would still be married in the eyes of God.  That would address my main objection.

Well, that's all it COULD apply to is civil divorce.  Let's say one of the couple becomes abusive and they separate as permitted by the Church.  Would it be necessarily bad to pursue civil divorce to protect the abused party from the other legally and financially?  I don't see it ... so long as any risk of scandal is avoided.
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