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Traditional Catholic Faith => Catholic Living in the Modern World => Topic started by: Matthew on February 08, 2023, 10:06:52 AM
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Naming their son "Jocelyn" or "Kay"?
Men should not have girls names. As a corollary, no man's name should end with female endings like "lynn", "lyn", or "ette".
As my dad used to say, "The parents should be spanked."
Interestingly, giving your child a name that would cause him hell in school (i.e., practically FORCE classmates to pick on them)
was a "thing" for The Greatest Generation -- the parents of the Baby Boomers, and the guys who fought World War 2.
Modern generations might be idiots in some ways -- but at least they don't do this. They do other dumb things: e.g., give their kids last names for a first name, like Preston, Kennedy, Reagan, Clinton, Colton, Hunter, Addison, etc. And modern man-children name their kids after superheroes (like Logan, the real name of Wolverine in the X-men series). BUT THEY DON'T GIVE UNAMBIGUOUS GIRLS NAMES TO THEIR SONS.
Actually, even if a few modern idiots did give their son a girls name, it would be for DOGMATIC reasons -- they want to raise him genderless, because they're woke, etc. They'd have a reason -- their religion is wokeness. They don't believe in 2 genders. They are f****ts. They are horribly wrong yes, but it's their belief. THEY HAVE A REASON even if a bad one.
But what is the reason or excuse for these Greatest Generation morons for giving their sons a girls' name? Usually it's the classic "Daddy wanted a daughter." And what, Dad was such a big pouting baby that even after a son was delivered, he gave him a girls' name anyway out of stubbornness? Grow up, already! Try to think of your children instead of your dumb selfish self. They have to live with that name!
I think such parents will be judged by God for what they've done to their children. Think of all the emotional damage, the unending teasing/bullying, consequent effects on their personality/career/marriage choices, and how many of these children became perverts (s***mites and/or trans***uals) because they bore a girls' name. Names are an intimate part of WHO YOU ARE, and names have meaning!
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Lot of bad names out there but Jocelyn isn't one of them. It's an old Frankish name, and a male name at that. Jocelyn's held bishoprics, fought side by side with Charlemagne, and in general helped install Christendom in pre/early feudal Europe. We should take it back. Same with Hilary.
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Lot of bad names out there but Jocelyn isn't one of them. It's an old Frankish name, and a male name at that. Jocelyn's held bishoprics, fought side by side with Charlemagne, and in general helped install Christendom in pre/early feudal Europe. We should take it back. Same with Hilary.
You bring up a good point.
HOWEVER, "When in Rome, do as the Romans do".
We're not IN Frankish lands. Nor are we in pre/early feudal Europe. Is that hard for some people to understand? This is modern-day America (50's America, etc.) At no time was that a man's name *here*. I'm in my mid-40's and I've never met or heard of a male Jocelyn until recently. Why?
And on a related note, you have to be VERY CAREFUL about being the vanguard in "taking back" something. Let's take back the rainbow! Are you going to fly a rainbow flag in your front yard? Why not? Maybe because people will (quite reasonably) assume you are pro-LGBT?
The same for any other "taking back". Let's take back the original generic meaning (denotation, or "definition") of intercourse! Go ahead and tell people about your intercourse with the mailman. If they assume something false, that's THEIR problem, right?
Or start calling yourself a "Christian" (people will rightly assume you're protestant) or say you're just Catholic with no mention of Tradition or the Traditional Movement (people will rightly assume you're Novus Ordo, going along with the World, etc.)
No, I'm not a fan of "taking back" things that have been well conquered. Unless there's already a strong movement in place, and/or a good chance of success.
Remember the scene in LoTR where Denethor foolishly orders a small army to re-conquer that city overrun with entrenched orcs? That army was doomed from the beginning. That's what I think of "re-taking" things that have been long conquered, fully entrenched by the enemy, and one aims to re-conquer them with a small army at that!
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Fair enough. I guess this is one of the problems you get when your country has no ethnic identity.
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It seems most prudent to rely on Saints' names, yes? Then again, as far as OT names go, there was a story a year or two ago of triplets somewhere in Africa (Christian but maybe not Catholic) named Shadrach, Meshach, and Abdenego. I wonder how those little boys reacted once they found out what happened in Daniel 3. :( I hope they learned to love that beautiful Canticle rather than dwell on the sentence imposed on those Biblical brothers.
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A boys called Sue or Marion, is wrong.
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After Mass this Sunday, recalling the Septuagesima sermon had my mind drift for a moment toward wondering whether there are any sports ball players named Denarius. A penny for the thoughts of whatever their parents must have been thinking. :clown:
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Alot of woke parents are naming their kids androgynously- just in case they "flip" they can still keep their names.
My grand niece is named Ryan. Her parents are evangelicals and so far don't buy into the tranny thing, but those gender "neutral" names are a popular thing to do.
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After Mass this Sunday, recalling the Septuagesima sermon had my mind drift for a moment toward wondering whether there are any sports ball players named Denarius. A penny for the thoughts of whatever their parents must have been thinking. :clown:
Actually Denarius would be an improvement on some of those football player names. (De Vonte, De Shawn,etc. At least Denarius means "Cash" which is another popular name!)
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Actually Denarius would be an improvement on some of those football player names. (De Vonte, De Shawn,etc. At least Denarius means "Cash" which is another popular name!)
Speaking of those silly names from a certain ethnicity, there's a sportsball player "Kyrie Irving" and I doubt it's pronounced like "Kyrie eleison". As usual, it's horribly mis-pronounced, the result of ignorance and lack of education/intelligence.
Another one -- a guy named "Tyre Nichols" (who recently died). You just know it's not pronounced "tire" like the word. (In Britain, "tire" is spelled "tyre".) You just KNOW they pronounce it TIE-RAY or some such ebonics shite.
Stupid ignoramuses trying to redefine the laws of English phonics. I can't stand that. You can call your illegitimate kids whatever dumb names you want. But you can't name them "Tim" and insist with a straight face that it's pronounced "Theme-E" just because you say so. Furthermore, you can't insist that I use that ridiculous pronunciation. Nor will I use made-up pronouns that aren't part of English, while we're on the subject.
The funny thing is, that's not an authentic native pronunciation from "the homeland", which would be somewhat understandable. There's not an African language where "tyre" is pronounced "TIE-RAY". (And even if there were, for the sake of discussion -- they STILL have no connection to said language, since they've been in the USA for at least 8 generations). No, they just made that crap up. That's what makes me roll my eyes -- and look down on them for their stupidity.
Sorry, I was raised to call out stupid. I call a spade a spade.
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...You just KNOW they pronounce it TIE-RAY or some such ebonics ...
There's a skit by Key & Peele called Substitute Teacher where he pronounces everyone's name in totally wrong ways like that. I'd post it, except it has a lot of bad language. He pronounces Jacqueline "Jay Quellin", Denise as "Dee Nice" and Aaron as "Ay-ay-ron".
On a different note, not regarding names, but I know people raising young boys with very girly hairdos.
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I continue to be astounded by how many people just can't pronounce my name correctly. I am named for one of the 12 Apostles, 3 syllables, so it shouldn't be that hard.
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There is a character in a fantasy novel called Teatime but insists his name is pronounced Tay-a-tee-may. It is MEANT to be silly.
When the Twilight Zone keeps seeping in through all the weakened points of reality - created by the insane on this side of the curtain - it is an almost given that anything stupid is taken as a given once it reaches us.
Now how about naming your children Twila and Gawain? I dont know if it is something in the water, but rights to drachmas, there IS something in the air, as in spirits.
Shakespeare has something to say, when men are not men, and women not women, and essentially who is behind it all:
Come, you spirits
That tend on mortal thoughts, unsex me here,
And fill me from the crown to the toe topful
Of direst cruelty!
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I continue to be astounded by how many people just can't pronounce my name correctly. I am named for one of the 12 Apostles, 3 syllables, so it shouldn't be that hard.
Thaddeus? Do you count the replacement? If so, then I could ask: Matthias?
You say it's 3 syllables, so you can eliminate Peter, John, Matthew, Thomas, Bartholomew, James, James, Andrew, Simon, Philip
I'm a big fan of naming after the Apostles. Unfortunately I only had 2 boys (but 7 girls!) And the first was the oldest, and for that, I went by the Catholic custom of naming the first son "Dominic" rather than the competing custom of naming him "Joseph". Then there's the more worldly custom of naming him after yourself -- didn't do that either.
He got an Apostolic middle name though. But actually that middle name goes WAY back in my family, to my Great-Grandfather at least. He's at least the 5th in his line to bear that middle name.
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Naming their son "Jocelyn" or "Kay"?
Men should not have girls names. As a corollary, no man's name should end with female endings like "lynn", "lyn", or "ette".
As my dad used to say, "The parents should be spanked."
Interestingly, giving your child a name that would cause him hell in school (i.e., practically FORCE classmates to pick on them)
was a "thing" for The Greatest Generation -- the parents of the Baby Boomers, and the guys who fought World War 2.
Modern generations might be idiots in some ways -- but at least they don't do this. They do other dumb things: e.g., give their kids last names for a first name, like Preston, Kennedy, Reagan, Clinton, Colton, Hunter, Addison, etc. And modern man-children name their kids after superheroes (like Logan, the real name of Wolverine in the X-men series). BUT THEY DON'T GIVE UNAMBIGUOUS GIRLS NAMES TO THEIR SONS.
Actually, even if a few modern idiots did give their son a girls name, it would be for DOGMATIC reasons -- they want to raise him genderless, because they're woke, etc. They'd have a reason -- their religion is wokeness. They don't believe in 2 genders. They are f****ts. They are horribly wrong yes, but it's their belief. THEY HAVE A REASON even if a bad one.
But what is the reason or excuse for these Greatest Generation morons for giving their sons a girls' name? Usually it's the classic "Daddy wanted a daughter." And what, Dad was such a big pouting baby that even after a son was delivered, he gave him a girls' name anyway out of stubbornness? Grow up, already! Try to think of your children instead of your dumb selfish self. They have to live with that name!
I think such parents will be judged by God for what they've done to their children. Think of all the emotional damage, the unending teasing/bullying, consequent effects on their personality/career/marriage choices, and how many of these children became perverts (s***mites and/or trans***uals) because they bore a girls' name. Names are an intimate part of WHO YOU ARE, and names have meaning!
Jocelyn and Kay were both men's names originally.
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Years ago I was discussing "Sirens of Titan" with someone and he kept referring to "Muh-lah-chee" Constant....I interrupted and asked innocently "Do you mean Malachi"? This dude insisted that the character was named "Muh-lah-chee".
Some hills aren't worth dying on.
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Years ago I was discussing "Sirens of Titan" with someone and he kept referring to "Muh-lah-chee" Constant....I interrupted and asked innocently "Do you mean Malachi"? This dude insisted that the character was named "Muh-lah-chee".
Some hills aren't worth dying on.
Actually, this dude’s pronunciation of Malachi makes sense.
The English language is a strange hotch potch of variations in spelling and pronunciation. I take my hat off to those who master it as a second language.
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Speaking of those silly names from a certain ethnicity, there's a sportsball player "Kyrie Irving" and I doubt it's pronounced like "Kyrie eleison". As usual, it's horribly mis-pronounced, the result of ignorance and lack of education/intelligence.
Another one -- a guy named "Tyre Nichols" (who recently died). You just know it's not pronounced "tire" like the word. (In Britain, "tire" is spelled "tyre".) You just KNOW they pronounce it TIE-RAY or some such ebonics shite.
Stupid ignoramuses trying to redefine the laws of English phonics. I can't stand that. You can call your illegitimate kids whatever dumb names you want. But you can't name them "Tim" and insist with a straight face that it's pronounced "Theme-E" just because you say so. Furthermore, you can't insist that I use that ridiculous pronunciation. Nor will I use made-up pronouns that aren't part of English, while we're on the subject.
The funny thing is, that's not an authentic native pronunciation from "the homeland", which would be somewhat understandable. There's not an African language where "tyre" is pronounced "TIE-RAY". (And even if there were, for the sake of discussion -- they STILL have no connection to said language, since they've been in the USA for at least 8 generations). No, they just made that crap up. That's what makes me roll my eyes -- and look down on them for their stupidity.
Sorry, I was raised to call out stupid. I call a spade a spade.
I'm in Sales related to the trucking industry. I have been keeping a list to send to my wife via text whenever I come across a stupid name. names like Jaquavious. I'm at #114 as of this morning. .Lydaijha of course there is la-ah ladasha in something approximating English the dash don't be silent
that being said have a trad friend who names all his boys middle name mary and all the girls Joseph. strange yet acceptable.
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Thaddeus? Do you count the replacement? If so, then I could ask: Matthias?
You say it's 3 syllables, so you can eliminate Peter, John, Matthew, Thomas, Bartholomew, James, James, Andrew, Simon, Philip
I'm a big fan of naming after the Apostles. Unfortunately I only had 2 boys (but 7 girls!) And the first was the oldest, and for that, I went by the Catholic custom of naming the first son "Dominic" rather than the competing custom of naming him "Joseph". Then there's the more worldly custom of naming him after yourself -- didn't do that either.
He got an Apostolic middle name though. But actually that middle name goes WAY back in my family, to my Great-Grandfather at least. He's at least the 5th in his line to bear that middle name.
I named my first son Dominic, mostly because I like the name. did not know it was any kind of tradition. My mom reacted "ewe,, that sounds too Italian" my mom was a peckerwood. me I am half Sicilian . I always say I am half Italian-half ashamed of myself.
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I also get irritated by all of the dumb names people give to their children. There are so many Cayden, Jayden, Hayden, Peyton, Jackson, Braxton, etc. What I find funny is that these mindless trend followers think that they're giving their kids a unique name, lol! When in reality, if I were to send any of my boys to a public school (we homeschool, so this is a hypothetical) they would likely be the only kid in the class with a normal Catholic saints name. Meanwhile, there would be 3 different boys named Brayden in their class. So original. It's like tatoos. What used to be something unique a few decades ago, is now absolute conformity. Everyone is walking around with ink and piercings, so there is nothing unique about them. :facepalm:
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I also get irritated by all of the dumb names people give to their children. There are so many Cayden, Jayden, Hayden, Peyton, Jackson, Braxton, etc.
I wince internally when I hear these names, especially with the boy names that end in “den”. I imagine most of these names are picked by the mothers, thinking of their cute little baby boys. They choose these “cute” names instead of strong, traditional names that boys can grow into men feeling dignified.
A name says a lot. It says a lot to who you are to yourself and who you are to others. If I were to meet a 50 year old man named “Camden” I would have to overcome my first impression of them being childlike and effeminate before I could actually ascertain their true character. What a disservice parents do to their boys by giving them a slippery foothold into masculinity from the very get go. And imagine what a name like that does to the psyche of a boy! It sure does not encourage them towards growing in masculinity.
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I wince internally when I hear these names, especially with the boy names that end in “den”. I imagine most of these names are picked by the mothers, thinking of their cute little baby boys. They choose these “cute” names instead of strong, traditional names that boys can grow into men feeling dignified.
A name says a lot. It says a lot to who you are to yourself and who you are to others. If I were to meet a 50 year old man named “Camden” I would have to overcome my first impression of them being childlike and effeminate before I could actually ascertain their true character. What a disservice parents do to their boys by giving them a slippery foothold into masculinity from the very get go. And imagine what a name like that does to the psyche of a boy! It sure does not encourage them towards growing in masculinity.
As Camden town is part of London (where the Crachit family of A Christmas Carol fame live) I would think the boy would be of English descent. The name would work perhaps within a strictly English cultural setting.
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I named my first son Dominic, mostly because I like the name. did not know it was any kind of tradition. My mom reacted "ewe,, that sounds too Italian" my mom was a peckerwood. me I am half Sicilian . I always say I am half Italian-half ashamed of myself.
Time for that corny old joke. We can laugh about ourselves too, can't we? (The "we" includes me, to be clear.)
A couple was rushing to the hospital with their firstborn rapidly on the way. The new father wakes up in the emergency room and panics:
Dad: What happened? Where's my wife? Where's the baby?
Nurse: You were in a car accident, but everything is OK! Your wife is doing fine, and you have twins, a boy and a girl.
Dad: "Grazia a Dio, U Signure e tanto buono!" But the babies have to be named as soon as possible by their closest adult male relative or they'll be cursed!
Nurse: Don't worry, your wife told us about that, so we called your brother.
Dad: My brother? He's such a prankster. Oh no, what did he do this time?
Nurse: Your daughter is named Deniece.
Dad: Deniece? That's not so bad. And my son?
Nurse: Denephew.
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As Camden town is part of London (where the Crachit family of A Christmas Carol fame live) I would think the boy would be of English descent. The name would work perhaps within a strictly English cultural setting.
Yes. In that setting it’d be great!
I also commonly see it spelled like “Camdyn” for boys. Same as Cameron, which wouldn’t be a bad name in the traditional sense but “camryn” is a common modern spelling for it now.
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Yes. In that setting it’d be great!
I also commonly see it spelled like “Camdyn” for boys. Same as Cameron, which wouldn’t be a bad name in the traditional sense but “camryn” is a common modern spelling for it now.
One family at our neosspx mission have three boys: Cameron, Liam, and Becket (as in St. Thomas A)
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Why not give odd sounding names as a middle name, if it’s something you’d like to keep in the family, but doesn’t fit in to the culture you live in?
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I also get irritated by all of the dumb names people give to their children. There are so many Cayden, Jayden, Hayden, Peyton, Jackson, Braxton, etc. What I find funny is that these mindless trend followers think that they're giving their kids a unique name, lol! When in reality, if I were to send any of my boys to a public school (we homeschool, so this is a hypothetical) they would likely be the only kid in the class with a normal Catholic saints name. Meanwhile, there would be 3 different boys named Brayden in their class. So original. It's like tatoos. What used to be something unique a few decades ago, is now absolute conformity. Everyone is walking around with ink and piercings, so there is nothing unique about them. :facepalm:
These are what I call the epicene, British-sounding, six- or seven-letter names, and they're all the rage. A couple of decades ago, it was Irish-sounding names, and "Caitlin", for instance, got spelled all sorts of ways. (But they didn't dare appropriate something like "Niamh" or "Caiomhe". No way would anyone outside of Irish cultural awareness even begin to pronounce them correctly, "neeve" and "k[w]ee-va" respectively.)
Incidentally, my first, middle, and last names could each be used as a first or last name, and wouldn't sound in the least bit affected.
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A boys called Sue or Marion, is wrong.
Yes, Sue is out, but John Wayne's real name was Marion Michael Morrison, which is the male version of Mary. He converted and was baptized on his death bed (https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1350&dat=19790613&id=tT9PAAAAIBAJ&sjid=rAIEAAAAIBAJ&pg=6975,3391742&hl=en) about a day and a half before he died.
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Most people I would say are mentally ill. We are the "normal" ones. Yea it's that bad. The rise in crappy names probably comes from dad not even being in the equation. Most of these names are already decided by the time the woman is 2 months pregnant and dad is off somewhere or he has no say in the naming.
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Alot of woke parents are naming their kids androgynously- just in case they "flip" they can still keep their names.
My grand niece is named Ryan. Her parents are evangelicals and so far don't buy into the tranny thing, but those gender "neutral" names are a popular thing to do.
Yup. In the state of Vermont parents can now have gender "X" placed on their child's birth certificate.