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What is wrong with artificial birth control?
« on: March 04, 2017, 04:12:59 PM »
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    I have never believed in artificial birth control, even when I was outside the Church in my younger years, and not practicing my faith in any real way. I always thought it was un-natural and weird. But I can understand (sorta) people not getting the Church’s position on abc.. not understanding exactly why it is forbidden. A lot of people do not realize that the Church officially teaches that a.b control is not merely a sin, but a mortal sin. And I have no problem with that teaching of the Church or any other.

    I always thought it was just weird to interrupt what should be a spontaneous act of love between married people to… use some artificial thing like a condom. And the pill messes up a woman’s system and can mess up her health, and again is un-natural, etc…

    Are there any other reasons I am missing?

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    « Reply #1 on: March 04, 2017, 04:49:07 PM »
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  • I would like to add a question to this topic as well, and that would be, how is Natural Family Planning able to be justified as okay and not a sin, versus a married couple not wanting children and choosing to either  use a condom or artifical birth control , or having surgery to prevent pregnancy.

    and then an open question to if anyone else seeing the Church as dictating when a married couple with in the Church or society as a whole is allowed to have sexual relations with each other only during this time of N.F.P ? Why does or did the Church decide it necessary to control this aspect of a married couple when we are allowed to have free will.


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    « Reply #2 on: March 04, 2017, 05:12:58 PM »
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  • A very quick answer to you both - God's purpose for marriage is the procreation and education of children to live with Him in Eternity. And so the Church teaches that every marital embrace should be open to the possibility of new life.

    Knowingly stifling life is an insult and inimical to our Creator without Whom we ourselves would not have life and the chance to live with Him forever in Heaven.

     

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    « Reply #3 on: March 04, 2017, 05:17:30 PM »
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  • Plus it reduces your spouse to the level of a prostitute.

    "I want the pleasure you give me, but I DO NOT want your fertility."

    NOTE: Couples who are infertile for other reasons (menopause, natural infertility, pregnancy, time of the month, etc.) do NOT give such an explicit, resounding NO to God's plan, nor do they explicitly limit the bounds of their union (Pleasure, yes. Possibility of kids, no.)
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    « Reply #4 on: March 04, 2017, 08:45:54 PM »
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  • so the church expects couples to not engage in sexual activity unless it is for procreation only. but side steps that by giving couples a brief time frame to engage in sexual activity through NFP..  and the church sees sexual intercourse between a couple as purely physical and nothing to do with marital bonding just some primitive act of self pleasure and nothing more. that is when it outside procreation. an if not then we are nothing more than common prostitutes, nice.


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    « Reply #5 on: March 04, 2017, 08:52:49 PM »
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    so the church expects couples to not engage in sexual activity unless it is for procreation only. but side steps that by giving couples a brief time frame to engage in sexual activity through NFP..  and the church sees sexual intercourse between a couple as purely physical and nothing to do with marital bonding just some primitive act of self pleasure and nothing more. that is when it outside procreation. an if not then we are nothing more than common prostitutes, nice.

    it's debatable whether NFP is a true Catholic practice

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    « Reply #6 on: March 04, 2017, 08:55:46 PM »
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  • Also the Pope is recently noted as saying to help preserve the sustainablity of the planet , that not reproducing would be beneficial .

    it is interesting to see that the Church sees intercourse as only a means of procreation and was not intended at all for pleasure between two married people.

    Also what should one tell a priest if he is in favor in opinion that homosexuals should be allowed to marry ? does one correct that priest on the spot or take it to the appropriate bishop ?

    also for those in the no premarial sex boat, what is the rebuttle to either claims, or statistics or founded reports of ones mental development or being able to mature better and interact socially and responsibly by engaging in monogamous sexual activity vs those who wait until marriage and may or have developed mental disabilities , insecurities , or E.D or physical problems as a result from following church teaching on waiting until one is married to have intercourse ( with the intent of having children ) .  

    how does faith correct what science and psychology prove other wise.


    how does the church explain why God created humanity as a sexual being with physical sexual needs through the build up of hormones that we were created with. When God could have easily created us with the inherit instict to want to reproduce with out the sexual nature or physical attraction behind it and have removed the chemicals in the human body that trigger things to be put into motion.

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    « Reply #7 on: March 04, 2017, 08:56:58 PM »
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    Why does or did the Church decide it necessary to control this aspect of a married couple when we are allowed to have free will.


    I'm not sure I can even figure out what you are saying here. Free will gives one the choice of  doing good or evil. It doesn't give one the power of deciding what is good or evil,


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    « Reply #8 on: March 04, 2017, 09:01:25 PM »
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    Why does or did the Church decide it necessary to control this aspect of a married couple when we are allowed to have free will.


    I'm not sure I can even figure out what you are saying here. Free will gives one the choice of  doing good or evil. It doesn't give one the power of deciding what is good or evil,



    how does one decide to choose between good and evil, if one does not know what is good or what is evil. ?  for those who do not rely on the church to spoon feed them on what is good and or evil they have to make that decision on their own, for the rest of us we either choose to abide by everything the church teaches and ignore the errors the church makes or we use what the church teaches as a guide an use our concscience to fill in the rest.

    and why did or does the Church feel it necessary to control every aspect of humanity, which is including marriage, how a married couple should physically interact with each other in regards to sex....  i am not talking about things like being able to marry inanimate objects or ridiculous things one may one to counter as being a point. I am talking in rational decisions with the moral concscience we were given.

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    « Reply #9 on: March 04, 2017, 09:24:13 PM »
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    ... that the Church sees intercourse as only a means of procreation

    Who said that??? Are you making that up, GLC?

    and was not intended at all for pleasure between two married people.

    Ah... I do believe it was God himself who made sex pleasurable. :cheers:



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    « Reply #10 on: March 04, 2017, 09:40:30 PM »
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    ... that the Church sees intercourse as only a means of procreation

    Who said that??? Are you making that up, GLC?

    and was not intended at all for pleasure between two married people.

    Ah... I do believe it was God himself who made sex pleasurable. :cheers:





    it is what i have been under the impression of for the longest time, that sexual intercourse between two married catholics is only intended to procreate , the only option to have intercourse with out the intention of procreation is through NFP ,   and what I am getting at is that Church is going out of its' way to interfere with married catholics by placing limits on them on when they can and cant have intercourse. and then why would God make sex pleasurable  but then tell us that we have to wait until we are married to experience it and then only at certain times. If that is the case why didn't God create us with an inherit time to procreate like other species do, and a sex drive that only kicks in during a time to procreate.


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    « Reply #11 on: March 04, 2017, 11:13:44 PM »
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  • Sorry to say, like most of the world, you've been "judaized" GLC.

    The Ten Commandments are very clear about our responsibilities to control our animal passions.

    You have the option to rebel, like a jew, or you can save your soul by complying with God's Will.

    That's the test and most don't pass it.

    Now, get off this forum and go back to your cell... in Sector 3295.
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    « Reply #12 on: March 05, 2017, 12:21:17 AM »
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    Sorry to say, like most of the world, you've been "judaized" GLC.

    The Ten Commandments are very clear about our responsibilities to control our animal passions.

    You have the option to rebel, like a jew, or you can save your soul by complying with God's Will.

    That's the test and most don't pass it.

    Now, get off this forum and go back to your cell... in Sector 3295.
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     i have the option to rebel, like a jew,

    grow up  im done with listening to you if that is the level you resort to when you can't have any mature input to a tough question.

    and humans have human passions , God didn't give humanity " animal passions ".

    see, what mature people do that they don't agree with, is they either have something intelligent to say with out resorting to hate speech or name calling, or acting like they have control over a public internet forum and use all the mute, ignore options at their disposal, all you have done is shown that you care more about causing internet drama and acting a fool than trying to answer any real question.

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    « Reply #13 on: March 05, 2017, 02:37:35 AM »
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    ... that the Church sees intercourse as only a means of procreation
    Who said that??? Are you making that up, GLC?

    and was not intended at all for pleasure between two married people.
    Ah... I do believe it was God himself who made sex pleasurable. :cheers:




    it is what i have been under the impression of for the longest time, that sexual intercourse between two married catholics is only intended to procreate , the only option to have intercourse with out the intention of procreation is through NFP ,   and what I am getting at is that Church is going out of its' way to interfere with married catholics by placing limits on them on when they can and cant have intercourse. and then why would God make sex pleasurable  but then tell us that we have to wait until we are married to experience it and then only at certain times. If that is the case why didn't God create us with an inherit time to procreate like other species do, and a sex drive that only kicks in during a time to procreate.


    GLC, that impression (that sexual intercourse between two married catholics is only intended to procreate), is mistaken. One does not have to have "the intention to procreate" but rather one has to be open to the possibility of life.

    As Matthew already posted  
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    Couples who are infertile for other reasons (menopause, natural infertility, pregnancy, time of the month, etc.) do NOT give such an explicit, resounding NO to God's plan, nor do they explicitly limit the bounds of their union (Pleasure, yes. Possibility of kids, no.)


    Church does not "interfere with married catholics by placing limits on them on when they can and cant have intercourse". This is decided by the couple freely.

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    why would God make sex pleasurable  but then tell us that we have to wait until we are married to experience it and then only at certain times. If that is the case why didn't God create us with an inherit time to procreate like other species do, and a sex drive that only kicks in during a time to procreate.


    To take up the practice of sex outside (or prior to) the married state has a name: it is called "fornication" which is a mortal sin, which will send a person to hell unless they repent and confess it.

    Pleasure is not the purpose of the marital act; it is merely a bonus and an incentive.

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    why didn't God create us with an inherit time to procreate like other species do, and a sex drive that only kicks in during a time to procreate.


    It's not for me to analyse why God did or didn't do this or that. God is omniscient, and Im a mere creature. But we DO have an inherent time to procreate. That is what NFP is based on.

    And He gave us an intelligence which animals do not have, which are driven by instinct, which is why men and women are able to control their impulses, whereas animals cannot.

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    « Reply #14 on: March 05, 2017, 03:07:31 AM »
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    Also the Pope is recently noted as saying to help preserve the sustainablity of the planet , that not reproducing would be beneficial .

    That is sheer nonsense. Do you have a reference for that? He may have said it but he  has no competence to make such a claim.

    Also what should one tell a priest if he is in favor in opinion that homosexuals should be allowed to marry? does one correct that priest on the spot or take it to the appropriate bishop?

    I would say give up going to that church. The man is not a Catholic priest. He is a fraud. Go to a traditional Catholic Mass. You can bet that the Bishop already knows what he says and thinks.

    also for those in the no premarial sex boat, what is the rebuttle to either claims, or statistics or founded reports of ones mental development or being able to mature better and interact socially and responsibly by engaging in monogamous sexual activity vs those who wait until marriage and may or have developed mental disabilities , insecurities , or E.D or physical problems as a result from following church teaching on waiting until one is married to have intercourse ( with the intent of having children ) . how does faith correct what science and psychology prove other wise.

    Nobody develops mental problems by remaining chaste both inside and outside the marital state. There is no such valid research.

    how does the church explain why God created humanity as a sexual being with physical sexual needs through the build up of hormones that we were created with. When God could have easily created us with the inherit instict to want to reproduce with out the sexual nature or physical attraction behind it and have removed the chemicals in the human body that trigger things to be put into motion.

    What is this need to question God?  



     

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