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Offline AnthonyPadua

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What is gossip?
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  • From the Catholic Point of View, and how does it different from the secular idea of gossip? And is it a sin?

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    Re: What is gossip?
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  • From the Catholic Point of View, and how does it different from the secular idea of gossip? And is it a sin?
    One of the ladies asked about this recently.  Here was my response in the Women's Only Forum:

    "I don't have a sermon but I am reminded of a saying written over/on the table of a Saint (I think) but can't remember which or exactly how it went.  It was something like this:

    "This board allows no defamer place.
    Who shall charge the absent with disgrace."

    From what I understand the idea is that gossip is speaking unnecessarily of others faults in a manner that it will be spread around the community.

    Sometimes it is necessary in charity to warn people of the faults of others.

    Sometimes it is edifying to recount stories about others but it generally should be done anonymously (without their names) if it is a bad account.

    Sometimes if one has no confessor, one can confide in another man or woman for guidance and this is not gossip.

    Hope this helps a bit!  🥰"
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    Re: What is gossip?
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  • My town has one, and only one Café. I never go there...the mostly senior customers search for gossip topics. "Coffee Row", they call it. The source of much misinformation. Nothing much happens in town, so any activity is discussed and imaginations have free rein. Reality gets twisted, and the Prots keep grudges. Gossip is sinful for the most part. We will have to render account for every idle word!
    Anyway, here's a very short story about the evil of "Calumny".
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    http://catholicapologetics.info/morality/general/btongue.htm

    Rufinus of Aquilea relates the following incident: Some brothers had been sent by their monastery to visit hermits living here and there in the desert. They came first to an elderly anchorite who gave them sincere and cordial hospitality. To relieve his road-weary visitors, he resolved to treat them as well as he could and openheartedly offer them all he had. Poverty can be generous in its way, not in what it gives but in the dispositions with which it gives. The old man wanted to show this religious magnificence so that his guests, seeing his liberality, would be at ease and freely receive what his charity was not embarrassed to give them. They said evening prayers after a very congenial supper, and then the old man bedded down his guests while he went to rest in another room.

    To bring on drowsiness, our travelers began to talk. And one of them said, "What do you think? These hermits eat better than we do in our monastery... ". The old man heard all these remarks. He was hurt because his guests were returning his kindness with calumny, but he kept silence. At dawn the next morning, the brothers said they were going to go and visit another hermit As he bid them goodbye, the old man said to them, "Give my greetings to the hermit who is my dear friend, and tell him simply this: 'Take care not to sprinkle the oil.'"

    The brothers repeated his message faithfully. The other hermit understood the recommendation at once, and he served his guests an extremely frugal table, the main meal consisting in dry bread, salt and a little vinegar: that was the substance of the banquet. Soon tiring of such cold hospitality, our travelers moved out that very night with as little fanfare as possible. (22)

    (22) Rufinus of Aquilea, Pelagius, Book 10, No. 5.

    My friends, stop slandering those who treat you with kindness. Learn to stop backbiting their generosity..."


    ...But backbiting is so sweet!' you say. Yes, but not backbiting is sweeter still..."

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    Re: What is gossip?
    « Reply #3 on: Yesterday at 12:57:26 PM »
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  • One of the ladies asked about this recently.  Here was my response in the Women's Only Forum:

    "I don't have a sermon but I am reminded of a saying written over/on the table of a Saint (I think) but can't remember which or exactly how it went.  It was something like this:

    "This board allows no defamer place.
    Who shall charge the absent with disgrace."

    From what I understand the idea is that gossip is speaking unnecessarily of others faults in a manner that it will be spread around the community.

    Sometimes it is necessary in charity to warn people of the faults of others.

    Sometimes it is edifying to recount stories about others but it generally should be done anonymously (without their names) if it is a bad account.

    Sometimes if one has no confessor, one can confide in another man or woman for guidance and this is not gossip.

    Hope this helps a bit!  🥰"
    I just said something negative about a priest that was maybe unnecessary.

    I asked a person how a certain mass they went to was, they said that the priest rushed the mass. I replied that i don't like when priests do that, and that another priest that i know tends to that aswell. I named where the priest says mass so i identified him.

    I guess it was unnecessary to say that in response, i just wanted to say something on topic, was that gossip?

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    Re: What is gossip?
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  • I just said something negative about a priest that was maybe unnecessary.

    I asked a person how a certain mass they went to was, they said that the priest rushed the mass. I replied that i don't like when priests do that, and that another priest that i know tends to that aswell. I named where the priest says mass so i identified him.

    I guess it was unnecessary to say that in response, i just wanted to say something on topic, was that gossip?
    It depends on whether the information you shared was public/common knowledge or necessary for some reason to mention. 

    If not, it probably was gossip.  I think the idea is that if you share such information it should be done without mentioning the person's actual name if possible because it could detract from his good name.

    Saint Francis de Sales in his Introduction to the Devout Life has several sections discussing what is appropriate and not good in conversations.  I highly recommend reading it if you have time.

    Here is a link to where you can read it online for free:

    https://archive.org/details/IntroductionToTheDevoutLife
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    Re: What is gossip?
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  • My town has one, and only one Café. I never go there...the mostly senior customers search for gossip topics. "Coffee Row", they call it. The source of much misinformation. Nothing much happens in town, so any activity is discussed and imaginations have free rein. Reality gets twisted, and the Prots keep grudges. Gossip is sinful for the most part. We will have to render account for every idle word!
    Anyway, here's a very short story about the evil of "Calumny".
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    http://catholicapologetics.info/morality/general/btongue.htm

    Rufinus of Aquilea relates the following incident: Some brothers had been sent by their monastery to visit hermits living here and there in the desert. They came first to an elderly anchorite who gave them sincere and cordial hospitality. To relieve his road-weary visitors, he resolved to treat them as well as he could and openheartedly offer them all he had. Poverty can be generous in its way, not in what it gives but in the dispositions with which it gives. The old man wanted to show this religious magnificence so that his guests, seeing his liberality, would be at ease and freely receive what his charity was not embarrassed to give them. They said evening prayers after a very congenial supper, and then the old man bedded down his guests while he went to rest in another room.

    To bring on drowsiness, our travelers began to talk. And one of them said, "What do you think? These hermits eat better than we do in our monastery... ". The old man heard all these remarks. He was hurt because his guests were returning his kindness with calumny, but he kept silence. At dawn the next morning, the brothers said they were going to go and visit another hermit As he bid them goodbye, the old man said to them, "Give my greetings to the hermit who is my dear friend, and tell him simply this: 'Take care not to sprinkle the oil.'"

    The brothers repeated his message faithfully. The other hermit understood the recommendation at once, and he served his guests an extremely frugal table, the main meal consisting in dry bread, salt and a little vinegar: that was the substance of the banquet. Soon tiring of such cold hospitality, our travelers moved out that very night with as little fanfare as possible. (22)

    (22) Rufinus of Aquilea, Pelagius, Book 10, No. 5.

    My friends, stop slandering those who treat you with kindness. Learn to stop backbiting their generosity..."


    ...But backbiting is so sweet!' you say. Yes, but not backbiting is sweeter still..."

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    Be kind, pray.
    I never heard this story before!  Thank you for sharing! 
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    Re: What is gossip?
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  • This is entirely secular, but I recall in second grade, in response to an untrue rumor and hurtful  gossip about a certain girl, everyone in my class had to write 25x for homework, 

    “Is it kind?
    Is it true?
    What if it were 
    said of you?”