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Re: What I wish I knew before marriage....
« Reply #45 on: February 20, 2025, 06:53:34 PM »
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  • Yes! I remember a friend saying that when the family was driving home from the beach, sandy, tired and hungry, she kept hinting to him "Oh look there's that pizza chain we like. Look, that little burger place looks good. When they got home she was faced with fixing dinner and getting the little ones washed of the sand. She started banding pots and pans in the kitchen and her husband asked "what's wrong?" She said "you wouldn't stop for something to eat." He said "why didn't you ask me?" etc.


    I'm going to side with the wife in this case.
    If a man can afford a family vacation, day trip, field trip, outing to the beach, or whatever, you can PLAN and afford to eat out afterward. And even if you are too poor to eat out, either you PLAN bringing something in a picnic basket from the grocery store, or you do the mainstream "stop for fast food". Those are your two choices.
    The husband in this case was a real doofus.
    You don't just make your wife fix dinner while she and everyone else is tired, hungry, and dirty after a long day of exhausting fun. That's ridiculous.
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    Re: What I wish I knew before marriage....
    « Reply #46 on: February 20, 2025, 07:58:50 PM »
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  • I'm going to side with the wife in this case.
    If a man can afford a family vacation, day trip, field trip, outing to the beach, or whatever, you can PLAN and afford to eat out afterward. And even if you are too poor to eat out, either you PLAN bringing something in a picnic basket from the grocery store, or you do the mainstream "stop for fast food". Those are your two choices.
    The husband in this case was a real doofus.
    You don't just make your wife fix dinner while she and everyone else is tired, hungry, and dirty. That's ridiculous.
    Some men are slow to take social cues!  He can still redeem himself. Give his wife the choice of cleaning up the kids while he gets take-out, he cleans the kids while she gets take out, or depending upon where they live, they both clean up the kids and call DoorDash or GrubHub!


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    Re: What I wish I knew before marriage....
    « Reply #47 on: February 20, 2025, 08:21:43 PM »
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  • I saw that book recommended several times on cathinfo so I recently bought it. Currently reading through chapter 4 and while I think it has very useful advice I have noticed the secular and even feminist tendencies in it.

    Take this image, in the top bullet point. The context on this was setting and respecting limits/boundaries. I was quite shocked to see this example, a wife should never suggest going on a vacation alone, it was basically a threat. No if the wife really needs a vacation a good discussion with the husband should take place and never a threat of going alone, the implications of which are terrible. Personally I found this point to be very disrespectful to the husband I am not sure why the author included it.

    And some pages earlier it states, to quote;

    "Similarly, many women today are also tired of giving. They want time off. Time to explore being themselves. Time to care about themselves first."

    While this book was written many decades ago, as soon I see the expression or similar expressions to "explore being themselves" I get big alarms bells.

    Still so far I think the book has been worth it, I just need to be careful due to the secular nature of the work.
    It does seem manipulative. And besides, not every husband is going to fall for that. She could express her desire to go on vacation and leave it at that and maybe the husband might surprise her with one. 

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    Re: What I wish I knew before marriage....
    « Reply #48 on: February 20, 2025, 08:27:13 PM »
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  • Yes! I remember a friend saying that when the family was driving home from the beach, sandy, tired and hungry, she kept hinting to him "Oh look there's that pizza chain we like. Look, that little burger place looks good. When they got home she was faced with fixing dinner and getting the little ones washed of the sand. She started banding pots and pans in the kitchen and her husband asked "what's wrong?" She said "you wouldn't stop for something to eat." He said "why didn't you ask me?" etc.
    I see this as potentially being one-sided and somewhat husband-bashing. 

    He did say, "why didn't you ask me?" because he can't read her mind?

    She was banging pots and pans instead of communicating her needs. 

    I don't think she was forced to fix dinner. She could have order food for the family herself, left the kids with the husband and got some convenient food and came home, husband could fix the food while she relaxed, etc. I'm sure the husband would have done something if his wife communicated to him that she just couldn't make dinner because she was too exhausted.



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    Re: What I wish I knew before marriage....
    « Reply #49 on: February 21, 2025, 10:41:58 AM »
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  • …The husband in this case was a real doofus.
    You don't just make your wife fix dinner while she and everyone else is tired, hungry, and dirty after a long day of exhausting fun. That's ridiculous.

    If accurately reported, the husband was utterly lacking in empathy.… or… the wife nagged him all day on a "vacation day" about all manner of matters and he was simply being passive aggressive as "pay back" (as her pot banging was also passive aggressive).


    I see this as potentially being one-sided and somewhat husband-bashing.

    He did say, "why didn't you ask me?" because he can't read her mind?

    She was banging pots and pans instead of communicating her needs.

    I don't think she was forced to fix dinner. She could have order food for the family herself, left the kids with the husband and got some convenient food and came home, husband could fix the food while she relaxed, etc. I'm sure the husband would have done something if his wife communicated to him that she just couldn't make dinner because she was too exhausted.



    Effective communication depends on both the speaking and listening parties having communications skills.

    While not true in the majority of "trads," I do see a significant percent of "trads" as socially inept. In many cases it crosses the line into the Autism Spectrum.  A couple of 'spergs on CathInfo, one male, one female, come to mind.


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    Re: What I wish I knew before marriage....
    « Reply #50 on: February 21, 2025, 03:07:26 PM »
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  • Yes! I remember a friend saying that when the family was driving home from the beach, sandy, tired and hungry, she kept hinting to him "Oh look there's that pizza chain we like. Look, that little burger place looks good. When they got home she was faced with fixing dinner and getting the little ones washed of the sand. She started banding pots and pans in the kitchen and her husband asked "what's wrong?" She said "you wouldn't stop for something to eat." He said "why didn't you ask me?" etc.
    Sorry I didn't clarify (back pain made me stop and just say etc). My takeaway from this was that we women need to be explicit when we talk to our husbands. A woman listener would have understood that what the woman wanted by the first hint, but in communicating with our husbands we need to clearly say exactly what we need, as in "I'm not up for cooking tonight" or"I just need a hug right now."

     In regard to the husband-bashing I didn't see that at all, but I think this may be generational. One example amomg many --my husband never changed a diaper, but all of our sons are expert diaper changers. Most husbands back then, like mine, never bathed the children, never cooked dinner, etc. My husband, until my health recently declined, never washed a dish in his life. I think it's wonderful that husbands and fathers in thy younger generations take part in more than before.
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    Re: What I wish I knew before marriage....
    « Reply #51 on: February 21, 2025, 03:10:25 PM »
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  • In many cases it crosses the line into the Autism Spectrum.  A couple of 'spergs on CathInfo, one male, one female, come to mind.

    Now, now, that's not nice.  I do not have Asperger's or Autism.  :laugh1: ... Well, actually, I may just be at the very beginning of the spectrum, now that I think about it.

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    Re: What I wish I knew before marriage....
    « Reply #52 on: February 21, 2025, 04:04:17 PM »
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  • Here is my point:
    A nice day trip for the (large) family is a bit of extra work. You all come home tired and hungry, etc. Now "needing to eat" doesn't come as a surprise. A normal person would see that coming, right? Maybe I'm just Germanic but planning is second nature around here.
    It's not fair, on a "family fun day", to put all the expense/extra burden on ONE person. As in, "the whole family is going to have fun, but not you, wife! You have a lot of hard work ahead of you! hahaha" Normally you just eat out -- it's part of the expense, like gas or price of admission. Either you can AFFORD the field trip or you CANNOT.

    The husband in question was either autistic/oblivious, super COLD, super CHEAP, or crap as a planner. Either way, a doofus describes it best. And by "super" I mean "too much". I'm all about being frugal, but that doesn't mean it's impossible to be STINGY or CHEAP.
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    Re: What I wish I knew before marriage....
    « Reply #53 on: February 21, 2025, 04:44:47 PM »
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  • Now, now, that's not nice.  I do not have Asperger's or Autism.  :laugh1: ... Well, actually, I may just be at the very beginning of the spectrum, now that I think about it.
    Hey I was going to ask who the man was, I figured I was the woman. :laugh1:
    1 Corinthians: Chapter 13 "4 Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; 5 Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil;"

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    Re: What I wish I knew before marriage....
    « Reply #54 on: February 21, 2025, 06:08:59 PM »
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  • Now, now, that's not nice.  I do not have Asperger's or Autism.  :laugh1: ... Well, actually, I may just be at the very beginning of the spectrum, now that I think about it.
    No, it's not you. The "man" already knows because I told xim so. Xe eased up and stopped inflicting ximself upon us for a time, but xe has been back at it.

    You'll recognize xim by xis Poche-like style of pious one-liners.

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    Re: What I wish I knew before marriage....
    « Reply #55 on: February 21, 2025, 07:30:12 PM »
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  • I see this as potentially being one-sided and somewhat husband-bashing.

    He did say, "why didn't you ask me?" because he can't read her mind?

    She was banging pots and pans instead of communicating her needs.

    I don't think she was forced to fix dinner. She could have order food for the family herself, left the kids with the husband and got some convenient food and came home, husband could fix the food while she relaxed, etc. I'm sure the husband would have done something if his wife communicated to him that she just couldn't make dinner because she was too exhausted.


    Yes men don't get hints.  It is much better to be direct.
    1 Corinthians: Chapter 13 "4 Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; 5 Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil;"


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    Re: What I wish I knew before marriage....
    « Reply #56 on: March 03, 2025, 03:19:54 PM »
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  • Yes men don't get hints.  It is much better to be direct.
    Yes Gray, thank you for getting what I was trying to say. That little story has helped me tremendously.
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    Re: What I wish I knew before marriage....
    « Reply #57 on: March 03, 2025, 03:26:39 PM »
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  • Well, $500 of that is "cost sharing" Christian co-op health insurance for the 2 parents.
    Some Christian co-op healthcare cost sharing require you to sign off a protestant faith precepts though ...


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    Re: What I wish I knew before marriage....
    « Reply #58 on: March 03, 2025, 03:28:05 PM »
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  • My advise (married for 30 year). Never give up.

    While it is good to find a suitable spouse in the first place, the actual life verifies ALL assumptions. So, NEVER GIVE UP. :laugh1:;)