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What does it mean to be "worldly"?
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  • The concept of worldliness goes back over 100 years in Catholic speech.  During the time in between, we have had industrialization and urbanization that has transformed the lives of many Catholics, taking them away from agrarian environs and making never-before-seen technology an integral part of daily life. Bishop Williamson is fond of encouraging Catholics to return to natural ways of living, to get rid of the T.V. and Internet (except perhaps for the watching his videos!?), and to form lives closer to the earth as our ancestors lived, for their faith was proportionately stronger, and he is convinced there is a reason for that to be the case.

    It's not a stretch to say that average people today live lives of comfort and convenience that kings of past ages could only have dreamed of.  Consequently, what would have been considered worldly and therefore a deterrent to virtue 100 years ago might be thought of today as nothing unusual and no obstacle to holiness.

    I saw in a book from the late 19th century a message handwritten in the front pages, saying that a priest (by name) who gave (the author of the message) the book was a very good priest, a holy priest;  "He was in the world but not of the world."  

    This descriptive phrase "in the world but not of the world" was in common usage at the time, words of admiration meant to compliment a priest and to bless his ministry.  It was a way of saying the priest was not worldly.  There was hardly any short sentence that could be a higher praise for any priest in those days.  It was based on the concept that virtue and holiness in a priest is increased by his detachment from the world, insofar as he did not indulge himself with personal admiration of material things, such as clothes, machines, Jєωelry, fine food, wine, cigars; or personal friendships and the mundane admiration of his contemporaries (popularity).  

    We can look to examples of the saints (traditional saints) for understanding of this.  St. Benedict comes to mind immediately.  When he first began his monastic journey, the first monks who he gathered to start his first monastery gradually conspired against him because they thought his Rule (which eventually would become a monument of tradition which many other rules would imitate in the future) was far too strict.  Therefore they plotted his demise, giving him poisoned bread and poisoned wine (curious choice of medium, reminiscent of the materials used for Mass in the Blessed Sacrament) to consume.  They were overcome with awe when Benedict blessed the bread, for a bird swiftly flew in an open window, took the bread and flew out the window with it, and upon being blessed the chalice of wine was seen to erupt with the emergence of a small snake that crawled out of it and slithered away.  Consequently the plan to kill him was foiled for the wine was no longer poison and the bread had disappeared.  St. Benedict left that place and went on to found numerous other monasteries where his rule and strictness was not opposed.  

    St. Francis of Assisi also comes to mind, for his life's work was all about relying on the providence of God for survival, in a prayerful attempt to pursue holiness and virtue.  His Franciscans is one of the three mendicant orders, the others being the Dominicans and the Servites.  

    Another saint whose labors were directed at reform of the religious community toward holiness and away from material concerns was St. Teresa of Avila who founded the discalced Carmelites (meaning they wore no shoes).  Her legacy was the inspiration for St. Therese of Lisieux, who took her name in honor of St. Teresa.

    In no small way, it seems to me, Vatican II was an attempt to divest the Church of this principle -- namely, the deliberate rejection of worldliness in the faithful pursuit of holiness.  One of its docuмents has in the title the words, "Church in the Modern World" and contains overt appeal to Catholics to consider modernity as being no obstacle to holiness whatsoever.  This theme is found elsewhere in Vat.II as well.  The contrast between this approach and the one referred to with the words "In the world but not of the world" should be manifest to the reader who understands what I'm trying to say here.  

    It seems to me that the phrase, "in the world but not of the world" has fallen out of usage in the past century because Catholics have lost the sense of high regard for what it describes.  So it comes to me as no surprise that this thread would be opened and this question asked.  It's a good question!  I have seen people eager to swoon over their impression of how spiritual a priest is, based on his mannerisms at the altar and during the consecration, which on the surface would seem to be a good thing.  It is after all, a good thing for a priest to evoke the appearance of holiness when saying Mass.  However, when the same priest finds up to a third of his sermon time for talking about cars and how much he likes one model and make compared to another, I'm sorry, all I can think about during the consecration that follows is how worldly this man's attachments must be.  A sermon is no time to consume valuable moments talking about cars, or any other technology!  St. John Bosco set up schools for the training of boys in printing and other industries, but he NEVER used his time at the pulpit to talk shop.  He was all about the business of saving souls when he gave sermons, and the priests of his Salesian order carried on that tradition very well, I'd like to believe.  Perhaps the emergence of Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone S.D.B. is an exception to the norm.




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    « Reply #5 on: June 01, 2016, 06:52:42 AM »
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  • You know it when you see it.
    Here's how St. John describes it: the lust of the eyes, the lust of the flesh, the pride of life.

    Wherever you find people proud of themselves, their honours, their acquaintances, their possessions: worldliness.
    Wherever you find people itching after some pleasure that the world gives: worldliness.
    Wherever you find envy and covetousness of worldly treasures: worldliness.

    I think the very image of worldliness is a party or celebration where nothing is celebrated other than pleasure, wealth, and the pride of men. This isn't like a wedding celebration or a birthday celebration, which are properly celebrations of God's gift of life; it's one where people get together to flaunt themselves.

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    The concept of worldliness goes back over 100 years in Catholic speech.


    It goes back to the apostles and Church fathers, and is rooted in Scripture.

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    This is the book, you can find more about it on the Internet

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    This is the book, you can find more about it on the Internet

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    That book was written in 2000?


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  • Yes, but it compiles what the Church teaches about the world in scripture and Church encyclicals prior to Vatican as in Mirari Vos from 1832.  
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  • I bought the book about 15 years ago, it covers so much and easy to read.

    The book is written in question and answer form, i.e.

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    How will the Catholic Church in the end times be recognizable?

    Answer: The Catholic Church is always recognizable by her unchanged Catholic Faith, her possession of the traditional Sacraments and her battle against false teaching, heresy and schism.  

    Question:  Does the Church in the end times have no special characteristics?

    Answer: Yes the Church in the end times does have special characteristics which are:  she is small; she lacks state protection; she lacks a hierarchy of leadership - at least some of the time - Christ is especially near to her; she fights against the Roman whore.

    Question:  What is the meaning of "Christ is especially near to the Church in the end times"?

    Answer:  Christ is especially near to the Church in the end times"  means that in the end times, with their great dangers, Christ especially upholds every Christian in his or her religious struggle and that He Himself has taken over the leadership of the Church.  
    In the end times, Christ is especially near Christians not only in the Most Holy Sacrament of the Altar and in His divine teaching, but also by virtue of the fact that He Himself has taken over the leadership of the Church as long as there is no Pope  The Prophet Ezekiel expressly announced that God Himself would take over the leadership of the flock after "shepherds"(the pastors) had failed so dreadfully and were no longer taking care of the flock.  "For the Lord God says this: I am going to look after My flock Myself and keep all of it in view ... I Myself will pasture My sheep, I Myself will show them where to rest - it is the Lord God who speaks" (Ezeh 34:11,15).  


    If you have any questions I will be happy to look them up in this book, not promising for an answer but it does have quite a bit of answers to questions Catholics have today.  
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  • “Do Not Love the World,” taken and translated from, La Folie de la Croix by Abbe Anselme Longpre, 1941

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    I)What is the world which we must renounce

    The world is the church of Satan, like the assembly of Christians is the Church of Jesus Christ. The world is the mystical body of the devil, like the Church is the Mystical Body of Christ. Two cities, two kingdoms the kingdom of heaven, started in us by the grace of holy Baptism and developing in us until eternal life, and the kingdom of Satan, started by sin and developing in those who love the spirit of the world until the eternal death of hell.

    These two kingdoms evolve and develop side by side on earth, but one of them is “inside of us, regnum Dei intra vos est,” and the other is all exterior, sensible. These two kingdoms, which we call in modern language the Church and the world, make war on each other until death, are in continual opposition, do not get along, and will never be able to get along together. They are opposed to one another like death and life, nothingness and being, darkness and light. “Whosoever therefore will be a friend of this world, becometh an enemy of God,” declares St. James( 44). Referring to this battle Our Lord says, “Do not believe that I came to bring peace on earth, I did not come to bring peace, but the sword; I came to separate, to divide …

    The world, as is to be understood here, is evidently not everyone who surrounds us, or the earth that supports us; it is neither the human race; nor that which distinguishes the religious state (to leave the world for the religious life).

    The world, in the sense used in the Gospel, is everyone who thinks, speaks, and acts in a way other than the Gospel asks us to think, act and speak; it is everyone who wants to behave according to the light of reason only, without being concerned about Revelation. The world is all who, by thoughts, words, and actions, go against God, against the Gospel, against its law; it is a way of living naturally, which is not concerned with the requirements of the spiritual life, giving more attention to nature than to grace.

    Again, the world, is this vast and powerful organization of books, newspapers, theaters, amusements of all sorts, and productions of all kinds, which have as a goal, not the use, but the satisfaction of the passions, of sensuality; it is all the luxury, the apparel, the fashions, the customs, the ways of doing things and of living, which does not inspire maxims from the Gospel, but from naturalism, and paganism, which Our Lord came to tear us away from, so as to introduce us into the society of the Three Divine Persons.

    II) What Jesus thinks of the world

    - Our Lord pointed a finger at the world and accused it of sin; that is, He accused it of being one of the great causes of sin “cuм venerit Paraclitus arguet mundum de peccato; when the Holy Ghost will come, He will prove clearly- arguet- that the love of the world is the source of sin.”

    - Jesus Christ declared this world to be the enemy of truth “Spiritum veritatis quem mundus non potest accipere; the spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive.”(John 1417)

    - Jesus judged the world from the cross “Nunc Judicium mundi est; now is the judgement of the world.” (John 1231)

    -He cursed the world because of its scandals “Vae mundo a scandalis.” (Matthew 187)

    -Even when Our Lord was praying for his executioners, he did not want to pray for the world “Non pro mundo rogo.” (John 179)

    -Christ glorifies Himself for having vanquished the world “ego vinci mundum.” (John 1632)

    -He does not want His disciples to have the spirit of the world “Vos de mundo non estis.”(John 1519). He separated them from the world, and that is why the world detests them “Ego elegi vos de mundo proptera odit vos mundus.”(John 1519)

    Faithful to the teaching of their Master, the Apostles pronounce the same judgements against the world as Jesus did. Let us listen to St. John, “Love not the world, nor the things which are in the world. If any man love the world, the charity of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, is the concupiscence of the flesh, and the concupiscence of the eyes and the pride of life.” (1 John 215-17)

    “And be not conformed to this world.” St. Paul tells us in his turn. (St. Paul Rom 122)

    The world is the Antichrist, preparing throughout the centuries, the day when he will be accorded the plenitude of his power. Also a Christian who, by his doctrine and life, is not against the world, does the work of Satan himself and prepares for his coming. Be careful then of illusions. It is not enough to avoid obvious mortal sins. You have to hate the world and flee from it.

    III) Why does Our Lord teach us to flee from the world and its spirit

    -Because we are Christians the spirit of the world is incompatible with the Christian spirit.

    1)What is a Christian – It is a man separated from the world by his state, and consecrated to God. “Divorce from the world,” writes Mgr. gαy, “is the essence of the Christian spirit, since even children renounce it by procuration before being admitted to Baptism.”(Elev. 1 p.195). The Christian vocation, which comes from God, is first of all a grace of separation from the world. Just being a Christian obliges us to live in this spirit of distance from the world, from false pleasures, from profane joys, from luxury, from amusements, from customs of the world, and from all things which support a soft and sensual life.

    The grace of our holy Baptism is first of all a grace of death to the world and its spirit. “By baptism,” said St. Paul to the first Christians, “we have been buried with Christ.” That is to say, that as Our Lord, buried in the tomb, was dead to all things of this world, so the Christian receives in Baptism a spirit which surrounds him and obliges him to die to all things here below.

    Also, when the Fathers of the Church wanted to turn the faithful away from certain diversions and pagan practices, such as dances, games in the amphitheater, and frivolous amusements, they were putting forth no other reason than that they were Christians and separated from the world. “We Christians,” said one of them, “we do not go to the theater or to the circus because we are Christians; the pagans go there; but we abhor these pleasures; this difference is only a consequence of their religion and ours.”

    When Tertullian recommended modesty and simplicity to the Christian women, “You are Christians,” he said to them, “and as such, you have received a spirit which is not the spirit of the world. You are separated from all the worldly things which bring vanity, pride, and impurity. Being a Christian, you must not appear in the world except for exercises of charity and piety, and not to satisfy you vanity and self-love.”(De ornamentis feminarum). Happy times when such language could be used with Christians. Let us say it again it is better to form a single Christian truly detached from the world, than 100 who are Christian in name only.

    2) In the second place, love of the world is absolutely incompatible with the love of God, which is the sole essence of Christianism.

    Nobody can serve two masters we cannot serve Jesus Christ and the world at the same time. The great error is to want to reconcile the love of God with the demands of the modern world. This union is abominable in the eyes of God. A christianism which does not lead to a despising of the world is false If any man love the world, the charity of the Father is not in him.”(John 12)

    The person who devotes himself to the things of the world, its pleasures and vanities, will not know how to be devoted to Christ. Also, hasn’t Our Lord always demanded of those who want to follow him, the renouncement of the world.

    When God wants to attract a soul to Himself, He begins by inspiring in him the emptiness and nothingness of created things and a distaste for the world.

    3) Let us add that the love of the world is the way of sin. If one keeps the love of the world in his heart, he comes out of sin through confession, but he stays on the path that leads to it. At the first occasion, he will fall back into it. “All that is in the world,” the Holy Ghost tells us,”furnishes food to the desires of the flesh, to vanity, and to pride.”(1 John 12)

    “You have fallen into all sorts of sins because you have loved the world and wanted to live after its manner, cuм essemus mortui delictis et peccatis in quibis ambulastis secundum saeculum hujus mundi.”(Eph 21)

    Sin consists in turning oneself from God to put one’s last end in creatures; that is why the person who takes pleasure in the things of this world is always on the path of sin and damnation. The life of grace is always in danger in a worldly heart.

    IV) What to do

    -Take the way of the desert or close ourselves up in a monastery – Not at all.

    -Let us stay in the world, but not follow its principles, maxims, and ideas.

    -Let us stay in the world, but let us not imitate its examples; let us not model our life on the lives of worldly people let our language, our habits, our morals, our manner of dressing and of amusing ourselves contrast strongly with theirs.

    -Let us stay in the world, but let us not trust it, its feasts, its pleasures, its shows, its amusements. Let us touch it only with our fingertips, when we are obliged.

    -Let us stay in the world, but according to the counsel of the Apostle “And they that use this world, as if they used it not.”(1 Cor 731), that is to say, ”without becoming attached to it.”

    -Let us stay in the world, but let us fight against it, let us resist it head-on, let us correct its ideas, let us prevent its scandals, let us paralyze its action, let us give it the example of the virtues of Our Lord.

    -Let us stay in the world, but let us live there in a way to merit the praise “Vos de mundo non estis; you, you are not of this world.”

    V) Exam

    Do we have all the hate and aversion for the world that Our Lord asks us to have

    Do we truly consider the world as the greatest enemy of Christianism, which cannot bear to see Our Lord reign

    Do we have an aversion to worldly gatherings Does one not see us, on the contrary, at all games, at the theater, at dances, in amusement halls, in restaurants, in taverns, etc.

    Do we not make too much of the maxims, ideas, principles, and customs of the world

    Do we have the courage to affront the mockeries, smiles, and malicious words of the world, which are often directed at people who want to follow Jesus Christ

    Deliver us Lord from the spirit of the world, so that receiving yours, we can live in a manner worthy of our Christian vocation.
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

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  • Probably the briefest way to explain worldliness as explained by the saints is that this occurs when a person desires to live a relatively good life, but he respects the opinion of others more than he fears God.  He lives for the world first, rather than God...

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    “Do Not Love the World,” taken and translated from, La Folie de la Croix by Abbe Anselme Longpre, 1941

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    I)What is the world which we must renounce

    The world is the church of Satan, like the assembly of Christians is the Church of Jesus Christ. The world is the mystical body of the devil, like the Church is the Mystical Body of Christ. Two cities, two kingdoms the kingdom of heaven, started in us by the grace of holy Baptism and developing in us until eternal life, and the kingdom of Satan, started by sin and developing in those who love the spirit of the world until the eternal death of hell.

    These two kingdoms evolve and develop side by side on earth, but one of them is “inside of us, regnum Dei intra vos est,” and the other is all exterior, sensible. These two kingdoms, which we call in modern language the Church and the world, make war on each other until death, are in continual opposition, do not get along, and will never be able to get along together. They are opposed to one another like death and life, nothingness and being, darkness and light. “Whosoever therefore will be a friend of this world, becometh an enemy of God,” declares St. James( 44). Referring to this battle Our Lord says, “Do not believe that I came to bring peace on earth, I did not come to bring peace, but the sword; I came to separate, to divide …

    The world, as is to be understood here, is evidently not everyone who surrounds us, or the earth that supports us; it is neither the human race; nor that which distinguishes the religious state (to leave the world for the religious life).

    The world, in the sense used in the Gospel, is everyone who thinks, speaks, and acts in a way other than the Gospel asks us to think, act and speak; it is everyone who wants to behave according to the light of reason only, without being concerned about Revelation. The world is all who, by thoughts, words, and actions, go against God, against the Gospel, against its law; it is a way of living naturally, which is not concerned with the requirements of the spiritual life, giving more attention to nature than to grace.

    Again, the world, is this vast and powerful organization of books, newspapers, theaters, amusements of all sorts, and productions of all kinds, which have as a goal, not the use, but the satisfaction of the passions, of sensuality; it is all the luxury, the apparel, the fashions, the customs, the ways of doing things and of living, which does not inspire maxims from the Gospel, but from naturalism, and paganism, which Our Lord came to tear us away from, so as to introduce us into the society of the Three Divine Persons.

    II) What Jesus thinks of the world

    - Our Lord pointed a finger at the world and accused it of sin; that is, He accused it of being one of the great causes of sin “cuм venerit Paraclitus arguet mundum de peccato; when the Holy Ghost will come, He will prove clearly- arguet- that the love of the world is the source of sin.”

    - Jesus Christ declared this world to be the enemy of truth “Spiritum veritatis quem mundus non potest accipere; the spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive.”(John 1417)

    - Jesus judged the world from the cross “Nunc Judicium mundi est; now is the judgement of the world.” (John 1231)

    -He cursed the world because of its scandals “Vae mundo a scandalis.” (Matthew 187)

    -Even when Our Lord was praying for his executioners, he did not want to pray for the world “Non pro mundo rogo.” (John 179)

    -Christ glorifies Himself for having vanquished the world “ego vinci mundum.” (John 1632)

    -He does not want His disciples to have the spirit of the world “Vos de mundo non estis.”(John 1519). He separated them from the world, and that is why the world detests them “Ego elegi vos de mundo proptera odit vos mundus.”(John 1519)

    Faithful to the teaching of their Master, the Apostles pronounce the same judgements against the world as Jesus did. Let us listen to St. John, “Love not the world, nor the things which are in the world. If any man love the world, the charity of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, is the concupiscence of the flesh, and the concupiscence of the eyes and the pride of life.” (1 John 215-17)

    “And be not conformed to this world.” St. Paul tells us in his turn. (St. Paul Rom 122)

    The world is the Antichrist, preparing throughout the centuries, the day when he will be accorded the plenitude of his power. Also a Christian who, by his doctrine and life, is not against the world, does the work of Satan himself and prepares for his coming. Be careful then of illusions. It is not enough to avoid obvious mortal sins. You have to hate the world and flee from it.

    III) Why does Our Lord teach us to flee from the world and its spirit

    -Because we are Christians the spirit of the world is incompatible with the Christian spirit.

    1)What is a Christian – It is a man separated from the world by his state, and consecrated to God. “Divorce from the world,” writes Mgr. gαy, “is the essence of the Christian spirit, since even children renounce it by procuration before being admitted to Baptism.”(Elev. 1 p.195). The Christian vocation, which comes from God, is first of all a grace of separation from the world. Just being a Christian obliges us to live in this spirit of distance from the world, from false pleasures, from profane joys, from luxury, from amusements, from customs of the world, and from all things which support a soft and sensual life.

    The grace of our holy Baptism is first of all a grace of death to the world and its spirit. “By baptism,” said St. Paul to the first Christians, “we have been buried with Christ.” That is to say, that as Our Lord, buried in the tomb, was dead to all things of this world, so the Christian receives in Baptism a spirit which surrounds him and obliges him to die to all things here below.

    Also, when the Fathers of the Church wanted to turn the faithful away from certain diversions and pagan practices, such as dances, games in the amphitheater, and frivolous amusements, they were putting forth no other reason than that they were Christians and separated from the world. “We Christians,” said one of them, “we do not go to the theater or to the circus because we are Christians; the pagans go there; but we abhor these pleasures; this difference is only a consequence of their religion and ours.”

    When Tertullian recommended modesty and simplicity to the Christian women, “You are Christians,” he said to them, “and as such, you have received a spirit which is not the spirit of the world. You are separated from all the worldly things which bring vanity, pride, and impurity. Being a Christian, you must not appear in the world except for exercises of charity and piety, and not to satisfy you vanity and self-love.” (De ornamentis feminarum). Happy times when such language could be used with Christians. Let us say it again it is better to form a single Christian truly detached from the world, than 100 who are Christian in name only.

    2) In the second place, love of the world is absolutely incompatible with the love of God, which is the sole essence of Christianism.

    Nobody can serve two masters we cannot serve Jesus Christ and the world at the same time. The great error is to want to reconcile the love of God with the demands of the modern world. This union is abominable in the eyes of God. A christianism which does not lead to a despising of the world is false If any man love the world, the charity of the Father is not in him.”(John 12)

    The person who devotes himself to the things of the world, its pleasures and vanities, will not know how to be devoted to Christ. Also, hasn’t Our Lord always demanded of those who want to follow him, the renouncement of the world.

    When God wants to attract a soul to Himself, He begins by inspiring in him the emptiness and nothingness of created things and a distaste for the world.

    3) Let us add that the love of the world is the way of sin. If one keeps the love of the world in his heart, he comes out of sin through confession, but he stays on the path that leads to it. At the first occasion, he will fall back into it. “All that is in the world,” the Holy Ghost tells us,”furnishes food to the desires of the flesh, to vanity, and to pride.”(1 John 12)

    “You have fallen into all sorts of sins because you have loved the world and wanted to live after its manner, cuм essemus mortui delictis et peccatis in quibis ambulastis secundum saeculum hujus mundi.”(Eph 21)

    Sin consists in turning oneself from God to put one’s last end in creatures; that is why the person who takes pleasure in the things of this world is always on the path of sin and damnation. The life of grace is always in danger in a worldly heart.

    IV) What to do

    -Take the way of the desert or close ourselves up in a monastery – Not at all.

    -Let us stay in the world, but not follow its principles, maxims, and ideas.

    -Let us stay in the world, but let us not imitate its examples; let us not model our life on the lives of worldly people let our language, our habits, our morals, our manner of dressing and of amusing ourselves contrast strongly with theirs.

    -Let us stay in the world, but let us not trust it, its feasts, its pleasures, its shows, its amusements. Let us touch it only with our fingertips, when we are obliged.

    -Let us stay in the world, but according to the counsel of the Apostle “And they that use this world, as if they used it not.”(1 Cor 731), that is to say, ”without becoming attached to it.”

    -Let us stay in the world, but let us fight against it, let us resist it head-on, let us correct its ideas, let us prevent its scandals, let us paralyze its action, let us give it the example of the virtues of Our Lord.

    -Let us stay in the world, but let us live there in a way to merit the praise “Vos de mundo non estis; you, you are not of this world.”

    V) Exam

    Do we have all the hate and aversion for the world that Our Lord asks us to have

    Do we truly consider the world as the greatest enemy of Christianism, which cannot bear to see Our Lord reign

    Do we have an aversion to worldly gatherings Does one not see us, on the contrary, at all games, at the theater, at dances, in amusement halls, in restaurants, in taverns, etc.

    Do we not make too much of the maxims, ideas, principles, and customs of the world

    Do we have the courage to affront the mockeries, smiles, and malicious words of the world, which are often directed at people who want to follow Jesus Christ

    Deliver us Lord from the spirit of the world, so that receiving yours, we can live in a manner worthy of our Christian vocation.

    That's a hard-hitting quote, Cantarella!

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    The Christian vocation, which comes from God, is first of all a grace of separation from the world. Just being a Christian obliges us to live in this spirit of distance from the world, from false pleasures, from profane joys, from luxury, from amusements, from customs of the world, and from all things which support a soft and sensual life.


    Stop and think what is in the mind of nearly everyone who buys a lottery ticket:  If I win this, I'm going to live in the lap of luxury.  IOW they're not thinking like a Christian.  

    The draw today toward worldliness is greater than ever before in history.  Just watching TV subjects your mind to a constant barrage of temptations toward it.

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    Also, when the Fathers of the Church wanted to turn the faithful away from certain diversions and pagan practices, such as dances, games in the amphitheater, and frivolous amusements, they were putting forth no other reason than that they were Christians and separated from the world. “We Christians,” said one of them, “we do not go to the theater or to the circus because we are Christians; the pagans go there; but we abhor these pleasures; this difference is only a consequence of their religion and ours.”


    In those days, one had to go OUT of the house to be immersed in the theater or circus, but now it's piped into our living rooms via TV and Internet.  Children today are allowed to spend inordinate time with video games and personal electronic devices that are almost exclusively tuned into worldliness every waking moment.  I have seen children throw tantrums when a parent takes away such a device, and usually, to stop the screaming, the parent gives the device back to the child.

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