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What does it cost to raise a family?
« on: September 02, 2010, 10:33:49 AM »
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  • (RealSimple.com) -- How does $369,360 per child sound?

    According to the U.S. Department of Agriculture, that's the average for the essentials through age 17.

    To find out where that money goes, here's a financial snapshot of three families to offer a candid look at some of their biggest expenses and best strategies for saving.

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    The Lyon family

    Monthly kid-related expenses: food, $1,050... gas, $500... travel (for sports), $225... medical, $200... clothing, $140... sports, $125... entertainment and toys, $85... school fees, $28.

    Who we are: Kate, 33; Greg, 36; Luke, 9; and John Patrick, 7.

    Where we live: Hattiesburg, Mississippi.

    What we do: Greg is an account executive at a paper and supplies company; Kate is a stay-at-home mom who's working on starting her own business.

    Biggest recent change in our finances: Kate was laid off from her COO position in sports marketing last year. "So we're living on one income. We switched our boys from private to public school, which saves on tuition, and we no longer have to pay for after-school care."

    We never thought we'd spend so much on... "Sports and food. The boys play baseball, football, soccer -- you name it. And the gear is expensive. And of course, they're always hungry. It is amazing how much two growing boys eat in a week."

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    For example, we just bought... A 40-pack of Capri Sun for $6.83 and four gallons of milk for $12.32. "Those will last a week, maybe. Sometimes we have to run out for more milk."

    Small ways we save

    • Kate hits Sam's Club every Monday morning. "We sometimes clip coupons. But the bulk stores aren't always cheapest. The local grocery often has better deals on soda."

    • The boys constantly need new shoes. "They wear them out. We've found the pricier name brands -- we like New Balance -- last longer, so we save in the long run."

    More ways they can save

    Trade in clothes. The KidVantage Club program at Sears, which includes clothes from Lands' End, allows you to exchange items that wear out before they're outgrown, so the Lyons could get spanking-new pants as needed. Sign up at any Sears register.

    Get Twitter coupons. Cheaptweet.com puts deals and discounts from Twitter in one place. For example, Kate could search "baseball" and find tweets about websites and stores having sporting-goods sales.

    RealSimple.com: 10 ways to spend smarter

    Fuel up midweek. Kate spends a couple of hours daily driving between school and practices." She should fill up on gas on Wednesdays or Thursdays. There's less traffic, so stations lower prices to attract business," says financial expert Farnoosh Torabi, author of "Psych Yourself Rich". Other gas-saving tips: Turn the engine off instead of idling, and clean out the trunk. Extra weight burns fuel.

    The Welch family

    Monthly kid-related expenses: food, $1,300... insurance, $1,000... activities, $800... travel, $500... savings, $400... gas, $300... entertainment and toys, $200... clothing, $40... tooth fairy, $5.

    Who we are: Grace, 43; Marty, 46; Patrick, 10; Emma, 8; Jack, 5; and Lucie, 2.

    Where we live: Providence, Rhode Island.

    What we do: We own Patemm Inc., which makes and sells baby-changing pads.

    Biggest recent change in our finances: "This year we moved the family from San Francisco to Providence to save money. We downsized from a house to an apartment, the kids go to public school, and we work from home -- less overhead!"

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    We never thought we'd spend so much on... "Holidays. The Christmas frenzy gets us every year, even when we try to stick to a budget. And activities for four kids add up fast. Patrick is a junior golfer, so he and Marty travel for tournaments."

    For example, we just bought... A golf glove for Patrick ($12) and swimming lessons for Emma ($100 for the month).

    Small ways we save

    • Drive-in movies. "It costs so much less than buying tickets for everyone in the family, and we can eat our own food." (Go to drive-ins.com to find a theater in your area.)

    • "When we eat at restaurants, which isn't often, Jack and Lucie almost always share a meal."

    • "We love the library. We hit it for books, audiobooks, and movies, and we almost never buy or rent."

    More ways they can save

    Travel in herds. With four kids, vacations (not including golf tournaments) are hard for the Welches. Torabi suggests adding to the clan -- invite family and friends -- and then negotiating a group hotel rate. "You can get up to 30 percent off," she says. Or sign up for jetsetter.com, a new site that offers hotel discounts.

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    Put Santa on a budget. Or lessen the strain on holiday cash flow by using credit-card points to shop. "You may not have enough for two plane tickets, but you have plenty to buy toys," says Torabi. An Xbox Live subscription is only 6,908 American Express Membership Rewards points; a Lego watch is 4,100.

    Let someone else do the work. Grace comparison-shops and uses coupons, but time is, well, money. The website moneysavingmom.com is a great resource for deals (printable coupons for McDonald's and Barnes & Noble) and tips.

    The Simmons family

    Monthly kid-related expenses: day care, $1,770... diapers and wipes, $75... food, $60... babysitting, $50... baby equipment, $50... clothing, $40... medical, $25... entertainment and toys, $25... savings, $25... activities, $5.

    Who we are: Shannon, 29; Matt, 29; and Lorelai, 10 months.

    Where we live: Bethesda, Maryland.

    What we do: Matt is in public relations; Shannon works in operations for Teach for America.

    Biggest recent change in our finances: Besides having a baby? "We just bought a condo, so now we have a mortgage. But it's our only debt besides some small remaining student loans, so we feel secure about that. And we do a rigorous budget every month, putting money into short- and long-term savings, retirement, and a college fund for Lorelai."

    RealSimple.com: On-the-go baby toys

    We never thought we'd spend so much on... "Day care. We were shocked by the cost -- it's a substantial chunk of our income. Also, the baby moves into new stages so quickly, and it seems like we have to buy her all new stuff every month."

    For example, we just bought... Baby-food storage containers (since Lorelai is eating solids now) and a rain cover for the stroller. Total cost: $40.

    Small ways we save

    • "We cut our newspaper subscription and movie channels. We don't have time for them anyway."

    • Hosting dinner parties. "They're fun and less expensive than going out and paying for a sitter."

    • "We make Lorelai's food instead of buying it packaged. Often it's out of our own leftovers, so she gets good food, and we don't waste anything."

    More ways they can save

    Don't stress about college. Matt and Shannon struggle with prioritizing their savings. Focus on contributions to an emergency fund or to the 529 college savings plan for Lorelai? "Definitely an emergency fund," says Torabi. "You need liquid assets available for unexpected costs, especially with a child. Have six to eight months of savings before you even think about college." Waiting until the baby is in school isn't the end of the world, either. "You can adjust the risk level of your investments depending on how many years until college," says Torabi.

    RealSimple.com: How to save $5,000 this year

    Stop the impulse buys. Shannon has a weakness for cute girls' clothes (see adorable baby, above). But nonessentials add up. To keep from browsing, she should try buying basics online (diapers.com sells detergent, too). And in stores use cash instead of a credit card. "She'll be far less likely to load up," says Torabi.
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    What does it cost to raise a family?
    « Reply #1 on: September 02, 2010, 10:36:55 AM »
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  • "The local grocery often has better deals on soda."

    Indeed.

    You can go ahead and add dental expenses to your list of "kid-related expenses", and then redouble your complaints about how you can't afford more than 2 kids...

    And apparently Texas has a lower cost of living. Our milk is $2.39 a gallon. That $12.32 would buy 5.15 gallons of milk here.

    Multi-packs of Capri Sun? Neither of these parents came from frugal families, I can tell. Frugality Rule #1: NO SINGLE SERVING ANYTHING. It's always 2, 5, 10X more expensive than a regular package. That goes for cookies, juice, you name it.

    $6.83 will buy you 6 frozen cans of juice, will will give your boys a heck of a lot more juice than 40 little pouches of "Capri Sun". You're paying for the packaging -- which adds to your no-doubt-average American garbage load every week.

    You know, those frozen cans of juice, when made of cardboard, only generate 2 little discs of metal, if you compost or burn the cardboard part. You could bring the metal in for recycling.

    Capri Sun pouches are totally un-recyclable.

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    What does it cost to raise a family?
    « Reply #2 on: September 02, 2010, 11:09:15 AM »
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  • how about drink more water and look for sales-I got 10 for $10 on SoBe 0 calories drinks and good to go....plastic bottle
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    « Reply #3 on: September 02, 2010, 06:41:01 PM »
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  • $1,000 a MONTH for food.  My children must be starving.  We have 6 (only 5 at home) and one on the way.  I can feed a family of 9, which includes my elderly mother, on less than half that.  Now mind you we don't eat steaks but come on.  Oh yea, we don't eat the money sucking fast food, snack packs, or quick bites.  ONE chicken at $8 will get me 3 good meals.  What are these people eating???  Once again, Lord have mercy on me.

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    « Reply #4 on: September 02, 2010, 07:05:34 PM »
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  • $1,050.00 per month for 2 little boys and 2 adults food in Mississippi?  

    Dang.  I wonder what's for din-din down there tonight?  :ready-to-eat:  Maybe they add nice wine to the grocery bill?

    I think we save some money fasting, and we never have steaks.  The people next door are grilling some right now  :scared2: and they smell delicious.

    CathMom, a whole chicken is a wonderful thing!  Also, chicken is much healthier when whole.

    I am so hungry right now! :laugh1:


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    « Reply #5 on: September 02, 2010, 07:55:47 PM »
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  • Quote from: CathMomof7
    $1,000 a MONTH for food.  My children must be starving.  We have 6 (only 5 at home) and one on the way.  I can feed a family of 9, which includes my elderly mother, on less than half that.  Now mind you we don't eat steaks but come on.  Oh yea, we don't eat the money sucking fast food, snack packs, or quick bites.  ONE chicken at $8 will get me 3 good meals.  What are these people eating???  Once again, Lord have mercy on me.


    How do you do that??

    When I was living on my own in college, I spent at least $500/mo on food! It was so hard to cut back my food expenses!

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    « Reply #6 on: September 02, 2010, 08:58:34 PM »
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  • I really couldn't tell you how much we spend on food alone because I don't seperate out household items in my record keeping and my freezer is regularly more or less full depending on how good the sales have been.

    But, as an example of what frugality can do for you, I can tell you that a blogger I follow (Money Saving Mom) has basically an equivalent family right now (2 adults, 3 little kids) and she spends $40/wk to feed them. This does not include their dining out which is once per week. I don't think we could pull that off because we probably eat a bit more junk than they do, but it can be done.
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    « Reply #7 on: September 03, 2010, 03:04:55 AM »
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  • Quote from: MaterDominici
    I really couldn't tell you how much we spend on food alone...


    Same with my mother!


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    « Reply #8 on: September 03, 2010, 08:43:26 AM »
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    How do you do that??

    When I was living on my own in college, I spent at least $500/mo on food! It was so hard to cut back my food expenses!


    I cook from scratch and buy in large packages.  I make weekly meal plans and seldom by junk food.  One bag of potato chips is $3 and it will be gone in my house in less that 10 minutes.  On sale, I can get 10lb of potatoes for $3.  Out of one bag, I can make a huge pot of soup, french fries, and mashed potatoes.  That's enough for 3 meals.  5lb of hamburger covers 2 meals of tacos and spaghetti with 4 guarter pound hamburgers for the freezer for quick meals.  I can buy a large bag of dried beans for $1 and add rice.  I make biscuits, cornbread, and cinnamon rolls all from scratch.  Cookies, ice cream, and candy are special treats usually reserved for Sundays.  We rarely have soda except for weekends or picnics.  I can toss one large chicken in a huge pot and boil it.  I use every bit of the meat which can get me 3 good meals---chicken spaghetti, chicken and rice, chicken soup or chicken pot pie.  I keep all leftovers and serve them to the children for lunch the next day.  Thursday is left-over night if there is anything left.  It can be done, but it takes commitment to actually plan, prepare, and cook meals.  One cannot eat frugally on potato chips, pre-packaged meals, soda, and fast-food.  It will seriously break one's budget AND destroy one's health.  

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    « Reply #9 on: September 03, 2010, 09:36:50 AM »
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  •   No matter how rich you are, you still find out that no money is left after you have bought your necessities. It is because the more your income, the more expensive are things you need. I think we must define the word "need".

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    « Reply #10 on: September 03, 2010, 02:59:10 PM »
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  • Quote from: Belloc
    how about drink more water and look for sales-I got 10 for $10 on SoBe 0 calories drinks and good to go....plastic bottle


    Saving money with plastic water bottles - now I've heard it all.



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    « Reply #11 on: September 03, 2010, 04:21:48 PM »
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  • This post makes me sick. First of all it converts family to dollars and essentially makes money the 'god' of the family. Dead presidents become 'Divine Providence.'  Second, the information is going to solidify people's selfish determinations not to have any children because they see these numbers and gasp that they'll never be able to afford it - and with those rates and those eating habbits who could afford it?.

    Thirdly, these numbers are just plain absurd! I would like to see an article on traditional Catholic family's spending habbits. We're a family of 5 and at 400-$500 a month we eat like kings. We scale this back when circuмstances warrant. Like Cathmom, we make our meals from scratch. We make our own bread which tastes better than store bought, is fun to make, and way cheaper than what the stores sell (except for sandwhich sliced bread - we buy the cheap $1 loaves at the grocery store), we have a garden, just bought a pressure cooker / canner etc. The kids love picking from the garden, helping mom cook the meals, making bread, pancakes, biscuits, etc. from scratch and on and on. And soda? What is that? My kids know it's something you get when you're sick to help keep the fluids going or on those special occassions such as end of the semester home-schooling pizza party or birthday party.

    I'd like to see a traditional Catholic thread started on spending habbits and ways to save money. I enjoyed CathMom's post since it's similar to our situation.


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    « Reply #12 on: September 03, 2010, 04:54:33 PM »
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  • Goose, most of those "Lifestyle" articles make me sick--and anxious, too!

    It is partly the writing style, but the whole cultural thing is just so lost, so desolate and far from a path to Heaven.


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    « Reply #13 on: September 04, 2010, 08:25:27 PM »
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  • Quote from: Elizabeth
    Goose, most of those "Lifestyle" articles make me sick--and anxious, too!

    It is partly the writing style, but the whole cultural thing is just so lost, so desolate and far from a path to Heaven.



    I hear you! To the world having a "family" is like owning a pet. You have one just to say you did and if you're daring you have two to try to get one of each sex. I had a co-worker with one child tell me he doesn't see the "need" for a large family since we don't live on farms like they did in the old days. My mother in law made a similar comment.... so evidently children are only good for labor if you own a nice plot of land and need the fields tended to. :farmer:

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    « Reply #14 on: September 04, 2010, 11:25:14 PM »
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  • All the more reason to go "back to the land", if that's what it takes to convince people to have the children God wants them to have.

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