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Offline Viva Cristo Rey

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What clubs or organizations do Trads consider
« on: July 16, 2015, 01:46:32 PM »
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  • What groups are considered Catholic by Trads?

    As a Catholic, I find most groups are not Catholic but encourage and condone sin.

    Groups like Dignity and yes even  Courage are the reason why there are LGBT Catholic school clubs.   It why Catholic laity will defend Lesbian director of religious education
    It is why Catholics don't know the true faith.

    How many sodomist oriented clubs compare to authentic Catholic groups.
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    Offline Matto

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    « Reply #1 on: July 16, 2015, 01:59:05 PM »
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  • I would not consider any group inside the Novus Ordo to be Catholic. Maybe some groups in the SSPX or now the resistance would be Catholic but I do not know much about such groups personally. I would especially distrust any sodomite group because I think if someone has such inclinations (because of temptations by the devils) they should keep it a secret between themselves, the devils that tempt them and their confessors.
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    Offline Capt McQuigg

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    « Reply #2 on: July 16, 2015, 03:14:21 PM »
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  • Joining a club that is committed to playing baseball according to pre-1880 rules is an acceptable club for a Traditional Catholic.  Even a craft beer club or a pipe tobacco club would be acceptable.  Being part of a men's or women's group at your SSPX chapel would be perfectly acceptable.  

    The majority of one's time should be dedicated to sanctifying our homes.  Catholic clubs would be something to enjoy in more ordinary times.  

    A novus ordo club would be on spiritual par with going to a strip joint and maybe even worse.  A strip joint lays its vulgarity out in the open for all to see whereas the novus ordite club does its evil in the dark (although novus ordite abuses are pretty much out in the open for all to see).

    As for the Knights of Columbus, skip them.  They are Masons without being officially recognized as Masons.

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    « Reply #3 on: July 16, 2015, 04:04:23 PM »
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  • Holy Name Society, Confraternity of the Most Holy Rosary, Third Order of Penance of St. Dominic, Third Order of Penance of St. Francis, Third Order Carmelites, Benedictine Oblates... there are also some associations that were spread by the Jesuits of old, but most of these are in Latin countries.

    For all of these lay associations or third orders, it is recommended to only use the pre-Vatican 2 books, i.e. constitutions, rules, etc.
    We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...

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    « Reply #4 on: July 19, 2015, 01:39:10 PM »
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    Holy Name Society, Confraternity of the Most Holy Rosary, Third Order of Penance of St. Dominic, Third Order of Penance of St. Francis, Third Order Carmelites, Benedictine Oblates... there are also some associations that were spread by the Jesuits of old, but most of these are in Latin countries.

    For all of these lay associations or third orders, it is recommended to only use the pre-Vatican 2 books, i.e. constitutions, rules, etc.


    We are looking for info on Third Order of St. Francis. Pardon my ignorance, but how is that different than the Third Order of Penance of St. Francis? We have not been able to obtain information on the Third Order of St. Francis that has not been modernized. Can you direct me?
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    « Reply #5 on: July 19, 2015, 03:28:39 PM »
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    Even a craft beer club or a pipe tobacco club would be acceptable.


    HAHAHA!

    Wow I see this statement here as to why I tell the youth to not follow their elders since they smoke tobacco pipes and drink alcohol.

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    « Reply #6 on: July 19, 2015, 04:34:43 PM »
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    Holy Name Society, Confraternity of the Most Holy Rosary, Third Order of Penance of St. Dominic, Third Order of Penance of St. Francis, Third Order Carmelites, Benedictine Oblates... there are also some associations that were spread by the Jesuits of old, but most of these are in Latin countries.

    For all of these lay associations or third orders, it is recommended to only use the pre-Vatican 2 books, i.e. constitutions, rules, etc.


    We are looking for info on Third Order of St. Francis. Pardon my ignorance, but how is that different than the Third Order of Penance of St. Francis? We have not been able to obtain information on the Third Order of St. Francis that has not been modernized. Can you direct me?



    The Order of Penance is the same.  These began as independent lay groups and were "taken in" by the respective religious orders they are now affiliated with.  I do not know where to direct you. I apologize, but there is a helpful link someone ´passed me the other day...  http://monasterylifeathome.boards.net/

    Maybe someone there can help you.  May God guide you in your endeavors.
    We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...

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    « Reply #7 on: July 19, 2015, 05:29:32 PM »
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    We are looking for info on Third Order of St. Francis. Pardon my ignorance, but how is that different than the Third Order of Penance of St. Francis? We have not been able to obtain information on the Third Order of St. Francis that has not been modernized. Can you direct me?



    Cera, though this will not answer your question here, you might find this of interest. Maybe you might pray to Blessed Luchesio for direction.

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    Blessed Luchesio 28April (Lucius)

    Luchesio Modestini was a merchant in the little town of Poggibonzi in Tuscany. More than most merchants, he was so entirely and solely concerned with material success that he was generally reputed to be an avaricious man. His wife, Buonadonna, was of a similar disposition. Then the grace of God touched the husband. He realized how foolish it is to strive only for worldly goods, of which he could take nothing with him to eternity, meanwhile forgetting about his soul's salvation, as he had, unfortunately, been doing until then. He began to practice works of mercy and to perform his religious obligations with fidelity; he succeeded in winning his wife over to a similar outlook on life.

    Since they had no one to care for but themselves, and Luchesio feared that in conducting his business he might relapse into covetousness, he gave up his business entirely. He and his good wife divided everything among the poor and retained for themselves only so much acreage as would suffice for their support. Luchesio tilled this with his own hands.

    About this time St. Francis came to Tuscany. After his sermon on penance, hosts of people desired to leave all and enter the convent. But the saint admonished them calmly to persevere in their vocation, for he had in mind soon to give them a special rule according to which they could serve God perfectly even in the world.

    At Poggibonzi Francis visited Luchesio, with whom he had become acquainted through former business transactions. Francis greatly rejoiced to find this avaricious man so altered, and Luchesio, who had already heard about the blessed activities of Francis, asked for special instructions for himself and his wife, so that they might lead a life in the world that would be pleasing to God.

    Francis then explained to them his plans for the establishment of an order for lay people; and Luchesio and Buonadonna asked to be received into it at once. This, according to tradition, they became the first members of the Order of Penance, which later came to be called the Third Order, (and then Secular Franciscan Order).

    If Luchesio and Buonadonna were really the first Tertiaries, they must have become such not long after St. Francis founded his First Order in 1209. The first simple rule of life, which St. Francis gave to the first Tertiaries at that time, was supplanted in 1221 by one which Cardinal Ugolino prepared in legal wording. And in the same year Pope Honorius III approved this rule verbally. For this reason the year 1221 is often given as the date of the founding of the Third Order of St. Francis.

    After Luchesio had put on the gray garment of a Tertiary, he rapidly advanced toward perfect holiness. He practiced penitential austerities, often fated on bread and water, slept on the hard floor, and at his work bore God constantly in his heart. His generosity to the poor knew no bounds, so that one day there was not even a loaf of bread for his own household. When still another poor man came, he asked his wife to look whether there was not something they could find for him. That vexed her and she scolded him severely; his mortifications, she said, had well nigh crazed him, he would keep giving so long that they themselves would have to suffer hunger. Luchesio asked her gently to please look in the pantry, for he trusted in Him who had multiplied a few loaves for the benefit of thousands. She did so, and the marvel of it! The whole pantry was filled with the best kind of bread. From that time on Buonadonna vied with her husband in doing good.

    When a plague raged in Poggibonzi and the surrounding places, Luchesio went out with his laden donkey, to bring the necessaries to the sick. When he did not have enough to supply all, he begged for more from others in behalf of the distressed.

    Once he carried a sick cripple, whom he had found on the way, to his home on his shoulders. A frivolous young man met him, and asked him mockingly, "what poor devil is that you are carrying there on your back?" Luchesio replied calmly. "I am carrying my Lord Jesus Christ." At once the young man's face became distorted, he cried out fearfully, and was dumb. Contritely he cast himself on his knees before Luchesio, who restored his speech to him by means of the Sign of the Cross.

    The time had come when the faithful servant of God was to receive the reward for his good works. When he lay very ill, and there was no hope for his recovery, his wife said to him, "Implore God, who gave us to each other as companions in life, to permit us also to die together." Luchesio prayed as requested. and Buonadonna fell ill with a fever, from which she died even before her husband, after devoutly receiving the holy sacraments. Luchesio passed away with holy longing for God on April 28, 1260. At his grave in the Franciscan church at Poggibonzi many miracles have occurred. His continuous veneration as Blessed was approved by Pope Pius VI.

    PRAYER OF THE CHURCH
    O God, who in the plentitude of Thy mercy didst call Blessed Luchesio to penance and didst permit him to shine by the merits of piety and liberality, grant us at his intercession, that in imitation of his example, we may produce worthy fruits of penance, and through works of piety and charity merit forgiveness. Through Christ or Lord. Amen.

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    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.


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    « Reply #8 on: July 20, 2015, 11:43:14 AM »
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    As for the Knights of Columbus, skip them.  They are Masons without being officially recognized as Masons.


    Certainly the Knights of Columbus are completely novus ordo-ized.  However, they were formed and operated for 80 years prior to Vatican II, with the blessing of the Church.  Did something happen to them post-Vatican II that made them like Masons, or were they always like that?

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    « Reply #9 on: July 21, 2015, 10:04:13 PM »
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  • I'm curious about that too!
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

    Offline Marlelar

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    « Reply #10 on: July 21, 2015, 11:55:09 PM »
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  • I can't think of a single club or group that would be truly Catholic, sad commentary on our times.