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Offline Kephapaulos

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Warren Carroll and Christopher Dawson et al.
« on: December 27, 2025, 05:08:39 AM »
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  • Has anyone read any works by any of these authors, and do you have a critique of any of them?:

    1) Warren Carroll

    2) Christopher Dawson

    3) John Senior

    4) Josef Pieper

    5) Hilaire Belloc

    6) G.K. Chesterton

    7) Charles Coulombe

    8) Yves Chiron

    9) Henry Sire

    10) Roberto de Mattei
    "Non nobis, Domine, non nobis; sed nomini tuo da gloriam..." (Ps. 113:9)

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    Re: Warren Carroll and Christopher Dawson et al.
    « Reply #1 on: December 27, 2025, 06:34:49 AM »
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  • My Novus Ordo sister-in-law said, "you have to read Orthodoxy" so I did.  His style wandered for pages at a time and in fact continued to wander the entire book.  So I gave him another try with The Dumb Ox (about St. Thomas Aquinas) and found it to be the same.  Then I figured I had to be 'missing something', as people really seem to love ol' Chesty, and I joined the Chesterton Society for a bit.  Let's just say those were my last efforts with Chesterton.

    What is interesting is that he published Orthodoxy in 1908, a year after St. Pius X put out Pascendi, and in it he blasts R.J. Campbell for his book The New Theology (also written in 1907 like Pascendi).  The bogus new theology, the train wreck of our times, was very much active to anyone paying attention.  Sadly, after that my sister-in-law said, "you have to read John Paul the Great by Peggy Noonan", so I did.  Noonan describes JPII exactly for what he was - the embodiment of everything Pius X condemned in Pascendi.  Now Noonan and my sister-in-law just need to read Pascendi, then reread Chesterton, and they might actually start seeing the light.


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    Re: Warren Carroll and Christopher Dawson et al.
    « Reply #2 on: December 27, 2025, 12:29:35 PM »
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  • Has anyone read any works by any of these authors, and do you have a critique of any of them?:

    1) Warren Carroll

    2) Christopher Dawson

    3) John Senior

    4) Josef Pieper

    5) Hilaire Belloc

    6) G.K. Chesterton

    7) Charles Coulombe

    8) Yves Chiron

    9) Henry Sire

    10) Roberto de Mattei
    I have read all these authors. Have most of their works in my private library and count one of them as an old and dear friend.
    "I distrust every idea that does not seem obsolete and grotesque to my contemporaries."
    Nicolás Gómez Dávila

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    Re: Warren Carroll and Christopher Dawson et al.
    « Reply #3 on: December 27, 2025, 02:12:47 PM »
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  • I have read all these authors. Have most of their works in my private library and count one of them as an old and dear friend.
    I could be wrong, but I can guess which one is your friend.:smirk:
    "Non nobis, Domine, non nobis; sed nomini tuo da gloriam..." (Ps. 113:9)

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    Re: Warren Carroll and Christopher Dawson et al.
    « Reply #4 on: Yesterday at 02:33:41 PM »
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  • I've read a fair amount of Carroll, Dawson, Belloc, Chesterton, Coulombe, Pieper.



    They all do their best to avoid the jws. When they tackle the jws, they do so in a way that does not threaten jwish hegemony.



    They are lightweights.



    The difficult teachings of Catholicism do not include animus to jwry. Animus to jwry is the easiest teaching of the Church. If you can't handle that then you are not worthy of teaching Catholicism.





    A little more on Belloc: 



    https://www.cathinfo.com/members-only/belloc-mocks-vaccination



    https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/hilaire-belloc-any-non-fans/msg918072/?topicseen#msg91807



    I remember Joe Sobran commenting late in his life that when he was younger he preferred Belloc to Chesterton, but came to appreciate Chesterton more later in life. Sobran was way ahead of both of them.



    It's funny to me when Catholics admire people who were much less anti-jwish than they are. Chesterton and Belloc should have admired Sobran (if they had lived long enough), not the other way around.



    Some Catholics are too smitten with people who have high social status. But who gave them that social status?

    Some would have people believe that I'm a deceiver because I've used various handles on different Catholic forums. They only know this because I've always offered such information, unprompted. Various troll accounts on FE. Ben on SuscipeDomine. Patches on ABLF 1.0 and TeDeum. GuitarPlucker, Busillis, HatchC, and Rum on Cathinfo.


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    Re: Warren Carroll and Christopher Dawson et al.
    « Reply #5 on: Today at 03:26:41 PM »
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  • I could be wrong, but I can guess which one is your friend.:smirk:
    And who amongst these authors would you guess?
    "I distrust every idea that does not seem obsolete and grotesque to my contemporaries."
    Nicolás Gómez Dávila

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    Re: Warren Carroll and Christopher Dawson et al.
    « Reply #6 on: Today at 04:11:19 PM »
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  • And who amongst these authors would you guess?

    Knowing you personally ... I know the correct answer, but that would be cheating.