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Re: What are we to do?
« Reply #60 on: May 23, 2020, 01:22:06 AM »
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  • The aborted fetal cells in vaccines is a big concern for me as a Catholic. It's just unfortunate. 
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    Re: What are we to do?
    « Reply #61 on: May 23, 2020, 01:27:00 PM »
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  • It's a persecution of freedom; but's it's not a Catholic persecution.  
    Well, let's call is a persecution of informed pro-life persons who believe in Natural Law (that our rights come to us from God, not the governement).

    Quite a bit of overlap, don't you think?
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    Re: What are we to do?
    « Reply #62 on: May 23, 2020, 10:37:47 PM »
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  • Civil Disobedience in the Face of TYRANNY

    In light of Governor Gavin Newsom’s refusal to allow California churches to reopen, I created a short video to talk about when it is appropriate to consider civil disobedience. I also talk about Newsom’s true agenda in keeping our state locked down—and why it is a threat to LIFE.




    We have represented numerous individuals who have been harassed and even arrested for daring to have a presence outside an abortion clinic in their community. We have pushed back. And in every case, we have been successful. Sidewalks are open for pro-life activists—but not because the governor says so.

    This doesn’t mean everyone should rush out and disobey their state’s shelter at home order. But we do need to weigh carefully at what point a law becomes unjust and therefore invalid. As St. Augustine said, “An unjust law is no law at all.” St. Thomas Aquinas defined a just law as one that is grounded in reason, not the will of the lawmaker.

    I live in a county of 1.5 million people. We have had 1200 confirmed cases of COVID-19. Over a thousand of those have recovered. Tragically, we have had 56 deaths. The numbers haven’t changed much in the past month, but we are still mostly shut down. We are not permitted to assemble in groups of any size. And churches are still closed, as they are throughout California.
    Abortion clinics are open. Target is open. Walmart is open. Marijuana dispensaries and liquor stores are open. Even some casinos are now open. But churches in California are still CLOSED.
    Is this rational?

    In the video, I also briefly raise the issue of a compulsory coronavirus vaccine, as all of the vaccines currently in clinical trials are derived from the cells of aborted babies. If you have ethical concerns with a forced vaccine that is made from aborted baby cells, please let us know.

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    "In His wisdom," says St. Gregory, "almighty God preferred rather to bring good out of evil than never allow evil to occur."

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    Re: What are we to do?
    « Reply #63 on: May 23, 2020, 11:55:15 PM »
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  • The aborted fetal cells in vaccines is a big concern for me as a Catholic. It's just unfortunate.
    Macca, what does "it" refer to here? What is it that is unfortunate? Can you explain what you mean?

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    Re: What are we to do?
    « Reply #64 on: May 24, 2020, 12:20:29 AM »
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  • Macca, what does "it" refer to here? What is it that is unfortunate? Can you explain what you mean?
    I am saying it is unfortunate that there are vaccines out there with aborted fetal cells. It shows the evils of the people who make the vaccines.
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    Re: What are we to do?
    « Reply #65 on: May 24, 2020, 07:50:02 AM »
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  • I am saying it is unfortunate that there are vaccines out there with aborted fetal cells. It shows the evils of the people who make the vaccines.
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    Well, the best way to make sure that the vaccine tricks the body
    into attacking itself, it to put human body parts into it. 
    It's complicated, but if you do some research, you can begin to
    understand it.  EVIL for sure.  Godless for sure, even hatred for
    God and life on Earth.
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    But the US government gives big pharma immunity from prosecution,
    so who is worse?  The gov. or big pharma ?

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    Re: What are we to do?
    « Reply #66 on: May 24, 2020, 01:29:34 PM »
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  • It's not unfortunate, it's on purpose. They don't HAVE to culture vaccines on aborted fetal tissue. They can use any biological culture medium-eggs, bacteria, you name it.
     If they are able to inject you with fetal cells from another PERSON, it is essentially a transplant. People who receive transplanted organs have to take immune suppressive drugs for the rest of their lives. If they don't their immune systems would attack the transplanted organs, destroy the organ and remain in a hyper autoimmune state against the body. Besides vaccine adjuvants increasing immune response, fetal tissue (from another human) will causes the immune system to attack the host body, and there is no way to stop it without immunosuppressants . 
    Before the 20th century, autoimmune diseases were rare , if not  non-existent.
    Now this is the cause of almost every chronic disease. Lupus, Crohns, Diabetes ( yes!) Autism, Guilliane Barre , MS , Fibromyalgia, ALS, allergies (especially nut allergies)Seizure disorders, most childhood neurological impairments- encephalitis. These are all caused by inflammatory response trying to reject the adjuvants and fetal cell lines from a different human, a baby.There are also many other ingredients that increase the inflammatory response, like aluminum , squalane, etc. These vaccines are slow lethal cocktails.
    So besides turning the soul against itself, these fetal cell vaccines also turn the body against itself. Lose lose.

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    Re: What are we to do?
    « Reply #67 on: May 24, 2020, 02:25:54 PM »
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  • Thank you, Josefa, for this explanation - I've never heard it expressed in this clear way.


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    Re: What are we to do?
    « Reply #68 on: May 24, 2020, 02:31:35 PM »
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  • .
    Well, the best way to make sure that the vaccine tricks the body
    into attacking itself, it to put human body parts into it.  
    It's complicated, but if you do some research, you can begin to
    understand it.  EVIL for sure.  Godless for sure, even hatred for
    God and life on Earth.
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    But the US government gives big pharma immunity from prosecution,
    so who is worse?  The gov. or big pharma ?
    I agree. Well the government basically controls big pharma like many other industries. If you love big pharma, then you are ordering a prescription from the New World Order.
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    Re: What are we to do?
    « Reply #69 on: May 26, 2020, 01:59:44 PM »
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  • It's not unfortunate, it's on purpose. They don't HAVE to culture vaccines on aborted fetal tissue. They can use any biological culture medium-eggs, bacteria, you name it.
     If they are able to inject you with fetal cells from another PERSON, it is essentially a transplant. People who receive transplanted organs have to take immune suppressive drugs for the rest of their lives. If they don't their immune systems would attack the transplanted organs, destroy the organ and remain in a hyper autoimmune state against the body. Besides vaccine adjuvants increasing immune response, fetal tissue (from another human) will causes the immune system to attack the host body, and there is no way to stop it without immunosuppressants .
    Before the 20th century, autoimmune diseases were rare , if not  non-existent.
    Now this is the cause of almost every chronic disease. Lupus, Crohns, Diabetes ( yes!) Autism, Guilliane Barre , MS , Fibromyalgia, ALS, allergies (especially nut allergies)Seizure disorders, most childhood neurological impairments- encephalitis. These are all caused by inflammatory response trying to reject the adjuvants and fetal cell lines from a different human, a baby.There are also many other ingredients that increase the inflammatory response, like aluminum , squalane, etc. These vaccines are slow lethal cocktails.
    So besides turning the soul against itself, these fetal cell vaccines also turn the body against itself. Lose lose.
    All that you say is true about "normal" vaccines. But I want to make you aware that the Moderna Coronavirus vaccine (the one being tested right now) is not a "normal" vaccine. It is what is called a mRNA vaccine. mRNA stands for messenger RiboNucleic Acid. The mRNA technology is a type of "gene therapy." 

    The mRNA technology injects a DNA instruction that is "executed" by the cells in your body. The Moderna vaccine instruction tells the body to produce the Coronavirus signature protein. Once that protein is produced by your own cells, your immune system then creates an antibody for that protein. So the mRNA technology turns your body into the "factory" producing virus signature proteins. By making the human body the factory for these proteins, the mRNA vaccines can be engineered and disseminated much more quickly than "normal" vaccines. There is no need to grow signature proteins in things like chicken eggs.
     
    Aborted fetal tissue was used in the research for the Moderna vaccine. And that is enough to make it anti-Christ. However, if the mRNA instruction in this vaccine also manipulates the sperm and egg cells (I am not sure if it does) then, it would be even worse from a Catholic perspective. It would be what is called germ-line gene therapy which was discussed in the Vatican instruction Dignitatis Personae. It is mortally sinful to use germ-line gene therapy because it will affect future generations without their consent.

    Some basic info about mRNA vaccines:
    https://www.thedailybeast.com/scientists-are-using-rna-to-create-a-new-type-of-vaccine-for-coronavirus

    You can read about the basic science behind mRNA vaccines here:
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5906799/

    Moderna (the Bill Gates company) is developing the mRNA vaccine:
    https://www.drugs.com/clinical_trials/moderna-ships-mrna-vaccine-against-novel-coronavirus-mrna-1273-phase-1-study-18461.html

    Here's Bill Gates himself promoting the technology:
    https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/495650-bill-gates-sees-rna-vaccines-as-best-options-for

    Here is the link to Dignitatis Personae
    http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20081208_dignitas-personae_en.html

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    Re: What are we to do?
    « Reply #70 on: May 26, 2020, 03:12:14 PM »
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  • Thank you! That was a great post. I did hear of the mRNA vaccine but didn’t know much about it.
    I heard that there was more genetic material than just RNA injected and that it wasn’t specific to Covid19 - just to Corona viruses ( there are over a thousand). Even in the South Korean study which claimed to have isolated the covid 19 virus , it was debunked by their own footnotes. Even if they actually were able to isolate it, they have admitted to  11 mutations already. They have never successfully developed a vaccine for a corona/ sars virus so I’m wondering if this mRNA has a completely different function - as in gene alteration/ genetic engineering possibly of a nefarious purpose. As you pointed out,  if there is any impact on the gametes, it is a generational alteration.
    Yes , either way it is an illicit vaccine developed using fetal cells  that has tracking functions apparently attached to it as well. I am also skeptical of its rapid development. Waiting in the wings, maybe?


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    Re: What are we to do?
    « Reply #71 on: May 26, 2020, 05:44:21 PM »
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  • WHAT TO DO? 
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    Re: What are we to do?
    « Reply #72 on: May 27, 2020, 02:05:42 AM »
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  • Move out if the state.  Many people are moving out of these communist states to safer states.  

    Where we live, the novus ordo are pushing vaccine from their rag newspaper to their online homilies of communist propaganda.  They refuse to open the diocese until recently because they are waiting for next round of federal funds and waiting for vaccine. They are just starting to make plans to reopen probably they are scared of the recent protests.  

    The SSPX joined Rome because birds of a feather flock together.  Yes, everything will be done in phases.  You can’t trust them.  

    They should be behind Father Robinson who suing the governor of NJ.  

    It is a world wide communist agenda.







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    Re: What are we to do?
    « Reply #73 on: May 27, 2020, 09:09:48 AM »
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  • Thank you! That was a great post. I did hear of the mRNA vaccine but didn’t know much about it.
    I heard that there was more genetic material than just RNA injected and that it wasn’t specific to Covid19 - just to Corona viruses ( there are over a thousand). Even in the South Korean study which claimed to have isolated the covid 19 virus , it was debunked by their own footnotes. Even if they actually were able to isolate it, they have admitted to  11 mutations already. They have never successfully developed a vaccine for a corona/ sars virus so I’m wondering if this mRNA has a completely different function - as in gene alteration/ genetic engineering possibly of a nefarious purpose. As you pointed out,  if there is any impact on the gametes, it is a generational alteration.
    Yes , either way it is an illicit vaccine developed using fetal cells  that has tracking functions apparently attached to it as well. I am also skeptical of its rapid development. Waiting in the wings, maybe?
    More about the germ-line gene therapy potential for the Moderna coronavirus vaccine. See this interview with a participant in the trial:
    https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/03/31/975007/moderna-coronavirus-vaccine-test-subject-interview/
    Search the document for "birth control" and see the discussion after that point. 

    And here's a new article about the same participant and his "adverse reaction" to the vaccine:
    https://www.statnews.com/2020/05/26/moderna-vaccine-candidate-trial-participant-severe-reaction/

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    Re: What are we to do?
    « Reply #74 on: May 27, 2020, 04:56:21 PM »
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  • Read "Plague" by Dr. Judy Mikovits.  Just out, order.


     

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