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On the vein of many posts here, an I imagine quite unpopular opinion I have is that I think a great deal of this modesty and sɛҳuąƖ stuff comes from 1800s affluent people.

You look at peasants in historically Catholic societies and women would:

- Have sex with their husband in the same room as their kids
- Wear cleavage (think Oktoberfest) and tie / tuck up their dresses into sort of shorts for comfort working and whatnot
- Pee in the street
- Hit on men and hang out with them for hours (single and alone)

And in general don't get me wrong it's a sin but in these societies it was more like "Oh Billy, my son, you and Maggy fornicated? That's unfortunate but what's done's done, get to confession and let's get y'all married and that's that."

I only ever see people talking about and beating themselves up over sɛҳuąƖ sins and it's like fellas there's another 8 commandments that are just as serious.

Exactly. Shakespeare (who we know was a secret Catholic during turbulent times for Catholics!) included many risqué lines in his plays- Othello: Iago talks about Othello and Desdemona making ‘the beast with two backs’, Juliet’s nurse in Romeo and Juliet quips that Juliet will soon be ‘falling backwards’ when married. Etc etc…

Agree 100% A lot of the ‘modesty’ some trads promulgate is actually Protestant and puritanical. Real trad Catholics have fun, party and drink! Also the women ride horses, show cleavage, dance, swear, hang out with men and even physically fight with other women sometimes!! They know right from wrong and adhere to the natural law: as you say they’ll maybe have sex before marriage , but will then make things right and actually get married, they value life and children, not ever considering murdering their baby.