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Re: What's the purpose of smoking marijuana for Recreation?
« Reply #240 on: March 23, 2022, 01:16:13 AM »
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    • A stack of cards, built on assumption on top of assumption, on top of assumption, on top of assumption...... a total end run everywhere one looks.

    Here are all the unproven assumptions they use to reach the conclusion that it is OK for anyone and everyone to smoke marijuana recreationally. All the observable history ofMJ recreational use being a scandal, being a danger to the family, and being a danger to health, the 32 points are totally dismissed by a sleigh of hand

    They assume that recreational use will no longer be scandal, because they say so. 

    They assume that it will not be danger to the family because they just say so.

    They assume that it is not a danger to health because the US medical industry has some articles on the medical benefits.  They do not listen to the US medical industry on anything (covid, cancer remedies, vitamins, natural remedies, ivermectin), but on this they ignore the 32 points and the actual experience of MJ use since the 1940's, and use ONLY the so-called medical  benefits (not proven)  and sentimentalism  for the sick,  to turn EVERYTHING around, do an end run to teach that anyone can smoke MJ, even young girls and boys. 

    They assume that it is no different than alcohol, then proceed to use the Moral theology on alcohol. 



    It is all a stack of cards, built on assumption on top of assumption, on top of assumption, on top of assumption...... a total end run everywhere one looks.


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    Re: What's the purpose of smoking marijuana for Recreation?
    « Reply #241 on: March 23, 2022, 02:11:05 AM »
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    • Except that LastPerv's 
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    umptions, projection of his sɛҳuąƖ, spiritual, and intellectual disorder.
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    Re: What's the purpose of smoking marijuana for Recreation?
    « Reply #242 on: March 23, 2022, 02:14:41 AM »
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    • Research on the safety and efficacy of medical use of marijuana inform rational discussion of the social use of marijuana.


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    Crohns Disease
    Gastrointestinal Disorders
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    Endocannabinoid sysytem
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    Endocrine disease, diabetes
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    Fibromyalgia
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    Glaucoma
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    Dystonia
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    Nausea
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    Pain
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    Chronic Pain
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    Public policy
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    http://www.harmreductionjournal.com/content/pdf/1477-7517-2-17.pdf
    Seizures
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    http://www.ucla.edu.ve/dmedicin/departamentos/fisiologia/cannabinoidsRevPatologias.pdf
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    http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=115

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    Re: What's the purpose of smoking marijuana for Recreation?
    « Reply #243 on: March 23, 2022, 02:16:52 AM »
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    • Occult channeling of "intent" coupled with projection of one's own Peeping Tom and "life before 40" sɛҳuąƖ disorder are no basis for rational discussion of anything.

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    Re: What's the purpose of smoking marijuana for Recreation?
    « Reply #244 on: March 23, 2022, 09:19:30 AM »
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    • Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey on March 22, 2022, 11:45:59 PM
    The priest is drinking the blood of Jesus during Mass.

    Most of The fruits of the Catholic Church are not good.  Communists who hijacked the Church are always seeking pleasure via sex, heroine, pot and other sin.
    Most of the perverts of the Catholic Church and one was way too many, they used alcohol, pot, heroine etc to sɛҳuąƖly groom their victims. One big Pagan orgie is Future Church.  
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    • Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey on March 22, 2022, 11:47:34 PM
    I wonder what they think of St Augustine?  He wrote about his past sins?  Was he a pervert and blowhard? 



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    « Reply #246 on: March 23, 2022, 11:25:52 AM »
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    • St. Augustine never projected his own sins on others—not once!
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    « Reply #247 on: March 23, 2022, 01:59:13 PM »
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    • Quote from: Mark 79 on March 23, 2022, 11:25:52 AM
    St. Augustine never projected his own sins on others—not once!
    Neither did St. Paul. Both used them to speak of their own failings and dispositions, but they never pointed at others as if they had the same wounds from sin.
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    « Reply #248 on: March 23, 2022, 02:34:38 PM »
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    • Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey on March 22, 2022, 11:45:59 PM
    The priest is drinking the blood of Jesus during Mass.

    Most of The fruits of the Catholic Church are not good.  Communists who hijacked the Church are always seeking pleasure via sex, heroine, pot and other sin.
    Oh no! The Communists like Marvel movies. Time to throw them all out /s
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    « Reply #249 on: March 23, 2022, 05:50:40 PM »
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    • Quote from: Minnesota on March 23, 2022, 02:34:38 PM
    Oh no! The Communists like Marvel movies. Time to throw them all out /s
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    The priest is drinking the blood of Jesus during Mass.

    Most of The fruits of the Catholic Church are not good.  Communists who hijacked the Church are always seeking pleasure via sex, heroine, pot and other sin.
    The Catholic Church is not a building and not the hierarchy.  It is the Faithful.  
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on March 23, 2022, 01:16:13 AM
    A stack of cards, built on assumption on top of assumption, on top of assumption, on top of assumption...... a total end run everywhere one looks.

    Here are all the unproven assumptions they use to reach the conclusion that it is OK for anyone and everyone to smoke marijuana recreationally. All the observable history ofMJ recreational use being a scandal, being a danger to the family, and being a danger to health, the 32 points are totally dismissed by a sleigh of hand

    They assume that recreational use will no longer be scandal, because they say so.

    They assume that it will not be danger to the family because they just say so.

    They assume that it is not a danger to health because the US medical industry has some articles on the medical benefits.  They do not listen to the US medical industry on anything (covid, cancer remedies, vitamins, natural remedies, ivermectin), but on this they ignore the 32 points and the actual experience of MJ use since the 1940's, and use ONLY the so-called medical  benefits (not proven)  and sentimentalism  for the sick,  to turn EVERYTHING around, do an end run to teach that anyone can smoke MJ, even young girls and boys.

    They assume that it is no different than alcohol, then proceed to use the Moral theology on alcohol.



    It is all a stack of cards, built on assumption on top of assumption, on top of assumption, on top of assumption...... a total end run everywhere one looks.
    There you go again, putting words in people's mouths.  

    It is impossible to have a reasonable discussion when you put words in people's  mouths.

    The way you write makes it clear you are a narcissist.
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    « Reply #253 on: March 23, 2022, 07:57:11 PM »
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    • Quote from: epiphany on March 23, 2022, 07:27:15 PM
    There you go again, putting words in people's mouths. 

    It is impossible to have a reasonable discussion when you put words in people's  mouths.

    The way you write makes it clear you are a narcissist.
     
    And not only from his writing style (to use the term loosely), but also from the simple content.

    He posts content about the world revolving around his disordered experience, his "functionality," and being a "jock."

    Nauseating. Pathetic.
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    • Quote from: Mark 79 on March 23, 2022, 07:57:11 PM

    And not only from his writing style (to use the term loosely), but also from the simple content.

    He posts content about the world revolving around his disordered experience, his "functionality," and being a "jock."

    Nauseating. Pathetic.
    That's narcissism to a T.
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