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Offline Mark 79

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Re: What's the purpose of smoking marijuana for Recreation?
« Reply #225 on: March 22, 2022, 11:11:35 AM »
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    • Wow! The perverted confessional Peeping Tom is getting courage from the soul reader to rage endlessly in enormous sized fonts, that's real manly of the blowhard. They'd make good rock throwers, and screamers of "crucify him in" in Our Lord's time. This is why I do not bother to answer anything they say, they are just multiple spam threads.



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    Re: What's the purpose of smoking marijuana for Recreation?
    « Reply #226 on: March 22, 2022, 11:55:06 AM »
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    • The "medical expert" once again is attempting his end run with switching the discussion to medical use and sentimentalism for the sick.

    Oh wait, while I was typing he started spamming the thread with huge pictures and fonts to obscure anything written.

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    Re: What's the purpose of smoking marijuana for Recreation?
    « Reply #227 on: March 22, 2022, 12:01:19 PM »
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    • There you go again… reading my posts after stating you wouldn't read my posts. 

    The risk/benefit assessment regarding medical use show the great safety and benefits of marijuana, hence completely germane to any rational discussion of recreational use.


    Quote from: Mark 79 on December 31, 2021, 04:55:40 PM

    You (plural) point to the Church teaching about being "sober."  THAT is based on the risks of abuse.  I see no mention in 1 Thessalonians 5:7-9 of exceptions, so how exactly does the Church justify ANY use of alcohol? Return to first principles: avoid undue risk of self-harm (whether physically or spiritually).

    Since you claim MJ use is different from alcohol use, the burden is on YOU to make the case for the moral or medical difference—on something more substantial than your half-baked [pun-intended] "opinion."

    No. I cannot point to "a" single study, but to dozens, even hundreds of studies. Glad you asked. :jester:


    Start here, my bibliography for a series of 8 articles I wrote about medical marijuana in 2010-2011 when it was an issue in our state:

    Important reviews
    University of California Center for Medical Cannabis Research—2010 Report to the Legislature
    http://www.cmcr.ucsd.edu/images/pdfs/CMCR_REPORT_FEB17.pdf
    Review on clinical studies with cannabis and cannabinoids 2005-2009. Hazecamp A and Grotenhermen F. Cannabinoids 2010;5(special issue):1-21.
    www.cannabis-med.org/data/pdf/en_2010_01_special.pdf
    Cannabinoids in medicine: A review of their therapeutic potential. Amar MB. Journal of Ethnopharmacology 105 (2006) 1–25.
    http://www.ucla.edu.ve/dmedicin/departamentos/fisiologia/cannabinoidsRevPatologias.pdf
    Emerging Clinical Applications for Cannabis and Cannabinoids: A Review of the Recent Scientific Literature, 2000 – 2010. Armentano P. NORML Foundation, Washington DC 2010.
    http://norml.org/pdf_files/NORML_Clinical_Applications_for_Cannabis_and_Cannabinoids.pdf
    Marijuana and Medicine: Assessing the Science Base. National Academy of Science Institute of Medicine, 1999
    http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=6376
    popularized in: Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
    http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=R1
    AIDS/HIV
    University of California Center for Medical Cannabis Research—2010 Report to the Legislature
    http://www.cmcr.ucsd.edu/images/pdfs/CMCR_REPORT_FEB17.pdf
    Human Immunodeficiency Virus (HIV)
    http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7485
    “Marijuana and AIDS” in Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
    http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=86
    ALS (Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis, Lou Gehrig's Disease)
    Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis (ALS)
    http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7004
    Alzheimer's Disease
    Alzheimer's Disease
    http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7003
    Cachexia. Wasting syndrome
    See sections 3.1 and 3.2 of Cannabinoids in medicine: A review of their therapeutic potential. Amar MB. Journal of Ethnopharmacology 105 (2006) 1–25.
    http://www.ucla.edu.ve/dmedicin/departamentos/fisiologia/cannabinoidsRevPatologias.pdf
    Cancer
    Gliomas/Cancer
    http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7008
    “Marijuana and Cancer” in Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
    http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=95
    Cannabis and Cannabinoids (PDQ®). National Cancer Institute. 2011.
    http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/cannabis/healthprofessional/page1
    Cardiovascular disease
    The Potential for Clinical Use of Cannabinoids in Treatment
    of Cardiovascular Diseases. Durst R and Lotan C. Cardiovascular Therapeutics 2011 Feb;29(1):17-22. doi: 10.1111/j.1755-5922.2010.00233.x. Epub 2010 Oct 14.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20946323
    The emerging role of the endocannabinoid system in cardiovascular disease. Pacher P, Steffens S. Semin Immunopathol. 2009 Jun;31(1):63-77. Epub 2009 Apr 9.
    http://www.springerlink.com/content/a04103g160h16450/fulltext.pdf
    Cannabinoid receptors in atherosclerosis. Steffens S, Mach F. Curr Opin Lipidol. 2006 Oct;17(5):519-26.
    http://journals.lww.com/co-lipidology/Abstract/2006/10000/Cannabinoid_receptors_in_atherosclerosis.5.aspx
    Cannabinoid receptors in acute and chronic complications of atherosclerosis. Mach F, Montecucco F, Steffens S. Br J Pharmacol. 2008 January; 153(2): 290–298.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2219535/pdf/0707517a.pdf
    Endocannabinoids and cannabinoid receptors in ischaemia-reperfusion injury and preconditioning. Pacher P, Haskó G. Br J Pharmacol. 2008 Jan;153(2):252-62. Epub 2007 Nov 19.
    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1038/sj.bjp.0707582/pdf
    The role of the endocannabinoid system in atherosclerosis. Mach F, Steffens S. J Neuroendocrinol. 2008 May;20 Suppl 1:53-7.
    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2826.2008.01685.x/pdf
    Cardiovascular Effects of Cannabis | Medicinal Cannabis Information. Independent Drug Monitoring Unit, United Kingdom, undated
    http://www.idmu.co.uk/canncardio.htm
    Crohns Disease
    Gastrointestinal Disorders
    http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7009
    Endocannabinoid sysytem
    The Endocannabinoid System as an Emerging Target of Pharmacotherapy. National Institute of Health: Pacher P, Bátkai S, Kunos G. Pharmacol Rev. 2006 Sep;58(3):389-462.
    http://pharmrev.aspetjournals.org/content/58/3/389.full.pdf
    Endocrine disease, diabetes
    The emerging role of the endocannabinoid system in endocrine regulation and energy balance. Pagotto U, Marsicano G, Cota D, Lutz B, Pasquali R. Endocr Rev. 2006 Feb;27(1):73-100. Epub 2005 Nov 23.
    http://fk.uwks.ac.id/elib/Arsip/Departemen/Biokimia/The%20Emerging%20Role%20of%20the%20Endocannabinoid%20System.pdf
    Fibromyalgia
    Nabilone for the Treatment of Pain in Fibromyalgia. Skrabek RQ, Galimova L, Ethans K, Perry D. J Pain. 2008 Feb;9(2):164-73. Epub 2007 Nov 5.
    http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:9gDyCVhqJSMJ:files.meetup.com/404848/2008_Nabilone-for-the-Treatment-of-Pain-in-Fibromyalgia.pdf+Nabilone+for+the+Treatment+of+Pain+in+Fibromyalgia&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESjFGavzxEJkBjsOj_YyWPHuo5PRG034PLna8X6n3sXGT696PVuaEH15HF07xVpfV10wLPfon8-nZoD0RcJfU6LInnuqHOGpKDECN4oQ6OWBgGgwXWckH2QB31FTn1BZn0KX9U7A&sig=AHIEtbQlDN8uMzxJIm6KKL0POTJdhmbsvg
    Delta-9-THC based monotherapy in fibromyalgia patients on experimentally induced pain, axon reflex flare, and pain relief. Schley M, Legler A, Skopp G, Schmelz M, Konrad C, Rukwied R. Curr Med Res Opin. 2006 Jul;22(7):1269-76.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16834825
    Fibromyalgia
    http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7007
    Glaucoma
    American Glaucoma Society position statement: Marijuana and the treatment of glaucoma. American Glaucoma Society, Prepared by Henry Jampel, M.D., M.H.S., August 10, 2009
    http://www.americanglaucomasociety.net/associations/5224/files/Marijuana%20and%20Glaucoma%20august%2030_BOD%20Approved%2010.23.09.pdf
    Marijuana and Glaucoma” in Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
    http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=124
    Hepatitis C
    Hepatitis C
    http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7010
    Marijuana effects, drug levels, DUI
    Marijuana effect and delta9-tetrahydrocannabinol plasma level. Chiang CWN and Barnett G. Clinical Pharmacology and Therapeutics 1984 Aug;36(2):234-8.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6086207
    Contact highs and urinary cannabinoids excretion after passive exposure to marijuana smoke. Cone EJ and Johnson RE. Clinical Pharmacology and Therapeutics 1986 Sep;40(3):247-56.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3017628
    Do delta9-tetrahydrocannabinol concentrations indicate recent use in chronic cannabis users? Karschner EL, Schwilke EW, Lowe RH, Darwin WD, Pope HG, Herning R, Cadet JL, Huestis MA. Addiction. 2009 Dec;104(12):2041-8. Epub 2009 Oct 5.
    http://www.clinchem.org/cgi/reprint/49/7/1114
    Developing limits for driving under cannabis. Grotenhermen F, Leson G, Berghaus G, Drummer OH, Krüger HP, Longo M, Moskowitz H, Perrine B, Ramaekers JG, Smiley A, Tunbridge R. Addiction 2007 Dec;102(12):1910-7. Epub 2007 Oct 4.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17916224
    Urinary cannabinoid detection times after controlled oral administration of delta9-tetrahydrocannabinol to humans. Gustafson RA, Levine B, Stout PR, Klette KL, George MP, Moolchan ET, Huestis MA. Clin Chem. 2003 Jul;49(7):1114-24.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12816908
    Editorial: Practical Challenges to Positive Drug Tests for Marijuana. ElSohly MA. Clin Chem. 2003 Jul;49(7):1037-8.
    http://www.clinchem.org/cgi/reprint/49/7/1037
    Dose related risk of motor vehicle crashes after cannabis use. Ramaekers JG, Berghaus G, van Laar M, Drummer OH. Drug Alcohol Depend. 2004 Feb 7;73(2):109-19.
    http://www.ukcia.org/research/DoseRelatedRiskOfCrashes.pdf
    Tolerance and cross-tolerance to neurocognitive effects of THC and alcohol in heavy cannabis users. Ramaekers JG, Theunissen EL, de Brouwer M, Toennes SW, Moeller MR, Kauert G. Psychopharmacology (Berl). 2011 Mar;214(2):391-401. Epub 2010 Oct 30.
    http://www.cannabistherapyinstitute.com/bills/dui/raemakers.etal.pdf
    Cannabis and Driving: A Scientific and Rational Review. Armentano P. NORML Foundation, Washington DC 2010
    http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7459
    Sex differences in the effects of marijuana on simulated driving performance. Anderson BM, Rizzo M, Block RI, Pearlson GD, O'Leary DS. J Psychoactive Drugs. 2010 Mar;42(1):19-30.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3033009/
    Effects of THC on driving performance, physiological state and subjective feelings relative to alcohol. Ronen A, Gershon P, Drobiner H, Rabinovich A, Bar-Hamburger R, Mechoulam R, Cassuto Y, Shinar D. Accid Anal Prev. 2008 May;40(3):926-34. Epub 2007 Nov 26.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18460360
    Muscle Spasms
    Dystonia
    http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7006
    “Marijuana and Muscle Spasticity” in Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
    http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=106
    Nausea
    See sections 3.1 of Cannabinoids in medicine: A review of their therapeutic potential. Amar MB. Journal of Ethnopharmacology 105 (2006) 1–25.
    http://www.ucla.edu.ve/dmedicin/departamentos/fisiologia/cannabinoidsRevPatologias.pdf
    Pain
    University of California Center for Medical Cannabis Research—2010 Report to the Legislature
    http://www.cmcr.ucsd.edu/images/pdfs/CMCR_REPORT_FEB17.pdf
    Chronic Pain
    http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7786
    “Marijuana and Pain” in Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
    http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=77#
    Post traumatic Stress Disorder
    Cannabinoid receptor activation in the basolateral amygdala blocks the effects of stress on the conditioning and extinction of inhibitory avoidance. Ganon-Elazar E, Akirav I. J Neurosci. 2009 Sep 9;29(36):11078-88.
    http://www.jneurosci.org/content/29/36/11078.full.pdf+html
    [Extinction of emotional response as a novel approach of pharmacotherapy of anxiety disorders]. Lehner M, Wisłowska-Stanek A, Płaznik A. Psychiatr Pol. 2009 Nov-Dec;43(6):639-53.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20209877
    The Use of a Synthetic Cannabinoid in the Management of Treatment‐Resistant Nightmares in Posttraumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD). Fraser GA. CNS Neurosci Ther. 2009 Winter;15(1):84-8.
    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1755-5949.2008.00071.x/pdf
    Public policy
    Harm reduction-the cannabis paradox. Melamede R. Harm Reduct J. 2005 Sep 22;2:17.
    http://www.harmreductionjournal.com/content/pdf/1477-7517-2-17.pdf
    Seizures
    See sections 3.7 of Cannabinoids in medicine: A review of their therapeutic potential. Amar MB. Journal of Ethnopharmacology 105 (2006) 1–25.
    http://www.ucla.edu.ve/dmedicin/departamentos/fisiologia/cannabinoidsRevPatologias.pdf
    “Marijuana and Neurological Disorders” in Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
    http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=115

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    Re: What's the purpose of smoking marijuana for Recreation?
    « Reply #228 on: March 22, 2022, 02:19:16 PM »
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    I see no mention in 1 Thessalonians 5:7-9 of exceptions, so how exactly does the Church justify ANY use of alcohol?
    Since LT has started multiple threads, I’ll post his quote from the other thread.  Above is his puritanical extremism where he’s arguing that there’s no proof of the Church allowing moderate alcohol use.  :facepalm:
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    Re: What's the purpose of smoking marijuana for Recreation?
    « Reply #229 on: March 22, 2022, 02:28:45 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on March 22, 2022, 02:19:16 PM
    Since LT has started multiple threads, I’ll post his quote from the other thread.  Above is his puritanical extremism where he’s arguing that there’s no proof of the Church allowing moderate alcohol use.  :facepalm:
    Ditto…


    I'd argue that it is his disordered pea brain that refuses to comprehend the difference between "drunk" and "partaking."
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    Re: What's the purpose of smoking marijuana for Recreation?
    « Reply #230 on: March 22, 2022, 03:05:26 PM »
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    • The psalmist literally says "blessed be God who maketh wine to cheer the heart of man." 

    Not God who maketh wine as an anesthetic substitute or who maketh wine for the antioxidants. 

    Drink wine so you feel happier. That's recreational. Come on. 
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    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).

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    Re: What's the purpose of smoking marijuana for Recreation?
    « Reply #231 on: March 22, 2022, 05:47:40 PM »
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    • Quote from: Mithrandylan on March 22, 2022, 03:05:26 PM
    The psalmist literally says "blessed be God who maketh wine to cheer the heart of man."

    Not God who maketh wine as an anesthetic substitute or who maketh wine for the antioxidants.

    Drink wine so you feel happier. That's recreational. Come on.
    Yep.

    Christ, Himself, changed water into wine, for a wedding.  
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    Re: What's the purpose of smoking marijuana for Recreation?
    « Reply #232 on: March 22, 2022, 05:51:39 PM »
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    • Quote from: Mark 79 on March 22, 2022, 02:28:45 PM
    Ditto…


    I'd argue that it is his disordered pea brain that refuses to comprehend the difference between "drunk" and "partaking."
    Very true, from what I have read of LTs comments.
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    Re: What's the purpose of smoking marijuana for Recreation?
    « Reply #233 on: March 22, 2022, 05:59:57 PM »
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    • Quote from: epiphany on March 22, 2022, 05:47:40 PM
    Yep.

    Christ, Himself, changed water into wine, for a wedding. 
    Better yet: "The Son of man is come eating and drinking: and you say: Behold a man that is a glutton and a drinker of wine, a friend of publicans and sinners."
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    Re: What's the purpose of smoking marijuana for Recreation?
    « Reply #234 on: March 22, 2022, 11:35:08 PM »
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    • LT asks for proof if the Church condones alcohol …and yet the priest drinks wine everyday at mass.  
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    « Reply #235 on: March 22, 2022, 11:44:08 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on March 22, 2022, 11:35:08 PM
    LT asks for proof if the Church condones alcohol …and yet the priest drinks wine everyday at mass. 

    LastPerv sez: "Damn drunks!"
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    Re: What's the purpose of smoking marijuana for Recreation?
    « Reply #236 on: March 22, 2022, 11:45:59 PM »
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    • The priest is drinking the blood of Jesus during Mass.

    Most of The fruits of the Catholic Church are not good.  Communists who hijacked the Church are always seeking pleasure via sex, heroine, pot and other sin. 
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    • I wonder what they think of St Augustine?  He wrote about his past sins?  Was he a pervert and blowhard?  




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    Re: What's the purpose of smoking marijuana for Recreation?
    « Reply #238 on: March 23, 2022, 12:10:05 AM »
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    • Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey on March 22, 2022, 11:47:34 PM
    I wonder what they think of St Augustine?  He wrote about his past sins?  Was he a pervert and blowhard?

    St. Augustine did not project his sins on others.

    Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey on March 22, 2022, 11:45:59 PM

    …Most of The fruits of the Catholic Church are not good.…

    Weirder and weirder.

    Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey on March 22, 2022, 11:45:59 PM

    …heroine…
    huh?

    her·o·ine | ˈherōən |
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    a woman admired or idealized for her courage, outstanding achievements, or noble qualities: she was the heroine of a materialist generation.

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    Re: What's the purpose of smoking marijuana for Recreation?
    « Reply #239 on: March 23, 2022, 12:45:54 AM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on March 22, 2022, 02:19:16 PM
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    I see no mention in 1 Thessalonians 5:7-9 of exceptions, so how exactly does the Church justify ANY use of alcohol?

    Since LT has started multiple threads, I’ll post his quote from the other thread.  Above is his puritanical extremism where he’s arguing that there’s no proof of the Church allowing moderate alcohol use.  :facepalm:

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    LT asks for proof if the Church condones alcohol …and yet the priest drinks wine everyday at mass.  


    All made up by the writer Pax Vobis. LT never said the quote that he quoted at the beginning. LT never uses scripture and never goes into scripture duals with anyone, except in quotes by saints. 



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