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Offline epiphany

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Re: What's the purpose of smoking marijuana for Recreation?
« Reply #135 on: March 16, 2022, 06:36:31 PM »
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    • Quote from: curious2 on March 16, 2022, 06:28:20 PM
    Adam and Eve's bodies pre-fall reflected the glory of their souls, so there was appropriately no shame.

    Even children know from a very young age that there's something strange about someone walking around naked in public. Or is this merely social conditioning?
    Social conditioning.
    My kids had no problem running around naked.
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    Re: What's the purpose of smoking marijuana for Recreation?
    « Reply #136 on: March 16, 2022, 06:38:18 PM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on March 16, 2022, 12:57:25 PM
    If someone is suffering from cancer, and pot helps, that's fine. But that's a completely different thing from saying that there's nothing wrong with smoking pot recreationally. And I still don't believe that it's an actual cure for cancer.

    And I'm willing to bet that I've seen more people suffer and die from cancer (and chemotherapy) than you have, since I worked for several years in an in-patient hospital oncology unit. I'm not a fan of allopathic medicine. I favor alternatives. But those who push pot as being medicinal tend to completely whitewash the negative aspects of it, especially when taken recreationally. 

    You're another know-it-all. Aren't traditional Catholics wonderful? :laugh1:

    It must be legalized so it can be available to all, regardless of income.
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    Re: What's the purpose of smoking marijuana for Recreation?
    « Reply #137 on: March 16, 2022, 06:48:35 PM »
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    • Quote from: epiphany on March 16, 2022, 06:36:31 PM
    Social conditioning.
    My kids had no problem running around naked.
    Yeah, but that's before they hit the age of reason. Adam and Eve didn't need any social conditioning to be ashamed of their nakedness. 
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    Re: What's the purpose of smoking marijuana for Recreation?
    « Reply #138 on: March 16, 2022, 06:53:56 PM »
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    • On top of the steady state mayhem in the US and Mexico from the drug trade, there was an uptick in mayhem this week with the arrest of "El Huevo," the leader of the latest successor to Los Zetas.

    Clearly it is the illegalization of drugs that makes them profitable.

    In the present paradigm, drug addicts and profiteers not only injure themselves, but us (theft, political corruption, and violent crimes).

    One is tempted to look at alcohol prohibition and to notice the fall in violence when prohibition ended, but the profiteers moved into other prohibited substances with increased profit and an eventual return to criminal violence.

    Jesus assured us we would always have the poor. It seems to be that, implicit in His warning, is a recognition that we will always have criminals (and self-destructive people).

    It seems worth considering that confining the problem is more likely to be successful than eliminating the problem. 

    I welcome suggestions from reasonable people here.

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    Re: What's the purpose of smoking marijuana for Recreation?
    « Reply #139 on: March 17, 2022, 02:38:15 AM »
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    • Quote from: epiphany on March 16, 2022, 06:38:18 PM
    It must be legalized so it can be available to all, regardless of income.
    This thread is about recreational use of marijuana, so you are advocating legalizing marijuana for recreational use by your daughters?

    If you have not read what I wrote: in my long personal experience, till I came back to the Church at 40, marijuana smoking was a certain indicator that young girls were promiscuous (to be polite). 

    To be blunt, marijuana for young girls is a leg spreader. Allowing our daughters to smoke it for recreation is like allowing a rapist to live in your home and sleep in the same room as your daughters.

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    Re: What's the purpose of smoking marijuana for Recreation?
    « Reply #140 on: March 17, 2022, 10:40:21 AM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on March 17, 2022, 02:38:15 AM
    This thread is about recreational use of marijuana, so you are advocating legalizing marijuana for recreational use by your daughters?

    If you have not read what I wrote: in my long personal experience, till I came back to the Church at 40, marijuana smoking was a certain indicator that young girls were promiscuous (to be polite).

    To be blunt, marijuana for young girls is a leg spreader. Allowing our daughters to smoke it for recreation is like allowing a rapist to live in your home and sleep in the same room as your daughters.
    No more so than alcohol.

    I advocate MJ should be as legal and readily available as alcohol and that the government should not have special taxes on anything (gas, meds, alcohol, etc).
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    Re: What's the purpose of smoking marijuana for Recreation?
    « Reply #141 on: March 17, 2022, 10:48:53 AM »
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    • Quote from: epiphany on March 16, 2022, 06:38:18 PM
    It must be legalized so it can be available to all, regardless of income.

    In the state where I live, it is legal and available to all. Though it is expensive, and regulated. Maybe low-income folks can get it cheaper at the pot shops here (there are many). I have no idea.

    I'm surprised that you aren't aware of the regulations of pot shops in states where it has been legalized, since you claim to know SO MUCH about it.
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    Re: What's the purpose of smoking marijuana for Recreation?
    « Reply #142 on: March 17, 2022, 10:53:52 AM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on March 17, 2022, 10:48:53 AM
    In the state where I live, it is legal and available to all. Though it is expensive, and regulated. Maybe low-income folks can get it cheaper at the pot shops here (there are many). I have no idea.

    I'm surprised that you aren't aware of the regulations of pot shops in states where it has been legalized, since you claim to know so much about it.
    You have no idea, is right.

    Why should I know about the laws of every location where it is legal?  Did I say I was an expert on the laws regarding MJ?

    MJ should be as legal and readily available as alcohol and that the government should not have special taxes on anything (gas, meds, alcohol, etc).
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    Re: What's the purpose of smoking marijuana for Recreation?
    « Reply #143 on: March 17, 2022, 10:57:05 AM »
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    • Quote from: epiphany on March 17, 2022, 10:53:52 AM
    You have no idea, is right.

    Why should I know about the laws of every location where it is legal?  Did I say I was an expert on the laws regarding MJ?

    MJ should be as legal and readily available as alcohol and that the government should not have special taxes on anything (gas, meds, alcohol, etc).

    That's a lot of "shoulds."

    Everything should be legal, in your view, with no restrictions or special taxes. That means, it would stand to reason, that you believe that most people are usually capable of making good decisions when it comes to substances that are addictive and mind-altering? I can see that a Libertarian, for example, would think this, but a Catholic who understands fallen human nature might think differently. 
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    Re: What's the purpose of smoking marijuana for Recreation?
    « Reply #144 on: March 17, 2022, 10:59:28 AM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on March 17, 2022, 10:57:05 AM
    That's a lot of "shoulds."

    Everything should be legal, in your view, with no restrictions or special taxes. That means, it would stand to reason, that you believe that people are usually capable of making good decisions when it comes to substances that are addictive and mind-altering?
    Did I SAY everything should be legal?
    Go bake a cake, Meg.
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    Re: What's the purpose of smoking marijuana for Recreation?
    « Reply #145 on: March 17, 2022, 11:00:59 AM »
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    • Quote from: epiphany on March 17, 2022, 10:59:28 AM
    Did I SAY everything should be legal?
    Go bake a cake, Meg.

    We are speaking of pot and alcohol. That's a good way to deflect and not address the subject.
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    Re: What's the purpose of smoking marijuana for Recreation?
    « Reply #146 on: March 17, 2022, 11:08:17 AM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on March 17, 2022, 11:00:59 AM
    We are speaking of pot and alcohol. That's a good way to deflect and not address the subject.
    It is impossible to have an intelligent conversation with someone who doesn't read, makes assumptions, tries to read minds, is illogical, and puts words into my mouth.

    Go do what you MAY be good at: go bake a cake.
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    Re: What's the purpose of smoking marijuana for Recreation?
    « Reply #147 on: March 17, 2022, 11:17:15 AM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on March 17, 2022, 10:57:05 AM
    Everything should be legal, in your view, with no restrictions or special taxes. That means, it would stand to reason, that you believe that most people are usually capable of making good decisions when it comes to substances that are addictive and mind-altering?

    It's like with gun control, Meg.  People who are not responsible enough to make these decisions are also unlikely to care about the laws, just as it's only law-abiding citizens who care about gun control laws.  People can get pot easily whether or not it's illegal.  In fact, if you legalize it, there might be some better quality controls put on it so that people could know the potency, the strain, etc. ... and be confident that there aren't foreign substances in there, etc.
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    Re: What's the purpose of smoking marijuana for Recreation?
    « Reply #148 on: March 17, 2022, 11:58:12 AM »
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    • True Catholics are libertarians because politics should mirror the Church, and saving one's soul is based on PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.  A nanny state cannot force anyone to save their soul or to follow laws. 

    Even St Thomas Aquinas said that prostitution should be legal, but follow zoning laws, because no amount of govt regulation would ever stop it.  So you use zoning laws to regulate it to an isolated, rural part of the city which moral people can avoid.  

    People who smoke MJ are gonna keep doing it, laws or not.  You might as well legalize it and make it safer.  
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    Re: What's the purpose of smoking marijuana for Recreation?
    « Reply #149 on: March 17, 2022, 12:09:20 PM »
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    • I have some inlaws who are very 'good' midwestern Lutherans. Their attitude toward alcohol is identical to LT's attitude toward cannabis. They quite truly cannot imagine alcohol use as anything other than abusive. For them, it is abusive by definition and (I am not exaggerating) they expect to be utterly smashed if they take even a sip of Budweiser. In fact, at least two of them (adults) are quite pleased to announce they have never had a drop of alcohol in their life. 

    It's a cultural or personal prejudice, nothing more. Suggest that there is a lawful and moderate use of the substance and all these can do is wrong their hands about how devastating alcoholism is to the body, soul, and family (which is true enough). But you can never get past square one in the discussion. 
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