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Offline 2Vermont

Re: What's the purpose of smoking marijuana for Recreation?
« Reply #90 on: March 15, 2022, 03:06:57 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on March 15, 2022, 09:41:29 AM
I guess you didn't actually read it (or comprehend).  Cocaine has an extremely high risk of addicition and would therefore fall under that prohibition.

Secondly, here you go again with the "just" a venial sin garbage.  Nobody's advocating venial sin.  Jone says that it's venial if there's no proportionate justification, but no sin at all if there's proportioniate justification.  So, if you could take cocaine without the risk of addiction (not possible, from what I understand), and it didn't compromise your reason, and you needed it to get your work done, yes, it would be justifiable ... and NO sin at all (not "just" venial sin).
Given the examples Jone gives where there would be no sin to take narcotics occasionally, I have to wonder what else could be considered "proportionate justification".  It seems a bit too easy to claim "proportionate justification".

I wouldn't want to make that judgment without consulting a good and holy Catholic priest.

ETA:  It looks like you are copying and pasting Jone.  Do you have an online version?  I have the book, but it sure would be nice to access it online.
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Offline Mark 79

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Re: What's the purpose of smoking marijuana for Recreation?
« Reply #91 on: March 15, 2022, 03:19:34 PM »
Quote from: 2Vermont on March 15, 2022, 03:06:57 PM
Given the examples Jone gives where there would be no sin to take narcotics occasionally, I have to wonder what else could be considered "proportionate justification".  
What exactly are you asking?
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Offline 2Vermont

Re: What's the purpose of smoking marijuana for Recreation?
« Reply #92 on: March 15, 2022, 03:23:58 PM »
Quote from: Mark 79 on March 15, 2022, 03:19:34 PM
What exactly are you asking?
I am referring to this:

To use narcotics in small quantities and only occasionally, is a venial sin if done without a sufficient reason. Any proportionately good reason justifies their use, e.g., to calm the nerves, dispel insomnia, etc.

It doesn't seem to take much to come up with a "proportionately good reason" for occasional use of narcotics without imputing sin.

This isn't speaking of MJ, but I think that this might be what LT is concerned with...
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Offline Mark 79

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Re: What's the purpose of smoking marijuana for Recreation?
« Reply #93 on: March 15, 2022, 03:43:17 PM »
Quote from: 2Vermont on March 15, 2022, 03:23:58 PM
I am referring to this:

To use narcotics in small quantities and only occasionally, is a venial sin if done without a sufficient reason. Any proportionately good reason justifies their use, e.g., to calm the nerves, dispel insomnia, etc.

It doesn't seem to take much to come up with a "proportionately good reason" for occasional use of narcotics without imputing sin.

This isn't speaking of MJ, but I think that this might be what LT is concerned with...

MJ is used for those purposes and for dozens more of legitimate medical purposes (see some in the sections of the references I posted).

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Offline epiphany

Re: What's the purpose of smoking marijuana for Recreation?
« Reply #94 on: March 15, 2022, 04:10:27 PM »
Quote from: Last Tradhican on March 15, 2022, 09:51:09 AM
Any young man that reads Jone and what you write will conclude that it is no big deal to smoke dope "recreationally". There is more to life than what that book says, which is not much. A normal person that reads Jone will  know less than they did before they sought it out. But you do not see that because you think that Jone is the end all be all. I am sorry, but Jone clarifies nothing for the average Joe on the street, 99.99 percent of the world.

Cocaine has the same risk of addiction as MJ, it can be easily used in moderation, one line and a tired husband is off to the clubs to dance with his wife. If todays MJ is legal, so can Cocaine be made legal and so can Hashish which also can also be used "in moderation". Once you open that pandoras box that it can be used recreationally in "moderation", the list of approved equivalents will never end.
If God made it, it should be legal.
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