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Re: What's the purpose of smoking marijuana for Recreation?
« Reply #75 on: March 15, 2022, 09:44:06 AM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on March 15, 2022, 09:37:35 AM
    Go ahead and eat all the GMO corn, drink up the  fluoride city water, and eat all the steroided beef,  
    God did not make those things.
    Legalizing MJ would give us "organic" MJ.
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    Re: What's the purpose of smoking marijuana for Recreation?
    « Reply #76 on: March 15, 2022, 09:46:01 AM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on March 15, 2022, 09:35:32 AM
    My comments in bold.
    I am neither a spartan or a non-functioning old man, but when I tried smoking MJ, twice, it did nothing to me, absolutely nothing.
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    Re: What's the purpose of smoking marijuana for Recreation?
    « Reply #77 on: March 15, 2022, 09:51:09 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on March 15, 2022, 09:41:29 AM
    I guess you didn't actually read it (or comprehend).  Cocaine has an extremely high risk of addicition and would therefore fall under that prohibition.

    Secondly, here you go again with the "just" a venial sin garbage.  Nobody's advocating venial sin.  Jone says that it's venial if there's no proportionate justification, but no sin at all if there's proportioniate justification.  So, if you could take cocaine without the risk of addiction (not possible, from what I understand), and it didn't compromise your reason, and you needed it to get your work done, yes, it would be justifiable.
    Any young man that reads Jone and what you write will conclude that it is no big deal to smoke dope "recreationally". There is more to life than what that book says, which is not much. A normal person that reads Jone will  know less than they did before they sought it out. But you do not see that because you think that Jone is the end all be all. I am sorry, but Jone clarifies nothing for the average Joe on the street, 99.99 percent of the world.

    Cocaine has the same risk of addiction as MJ, it can be easily used in moderation, one line and a tired husband is off to the clubs to dance with his wife. If todays MJ is legal, so can Cocaine be made legal and so can Hashish which also can also be used "in moderation". Once you open that pandoras box that it can be used recreationally in "moderation", the list of approved equivalents will never end. 
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    Re: What's the purpose of smoking marijuana for Recreation?
    « Reply #78 on: March 15, 2022, 10:10:43 AM »
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    • Quote from: epiphany on March 15, 2022, 09:44:06 AM
    God did not make those things.
    Legalizing MJ would give us "organic" MJ.
    God did not make the MJ they are selling today, just the same as God did not make miniature Dobermans and all the other breeds.

    The people that eat organic food are few, the market is miniscule compared to non-organic, one does not legalize MJ because like 1% will be organic.

    You are wanting to legalize something which is destructive to society, it is already bad enough (like 60% of Americans are on some kind of a mind altering substance). Catholics who promote MJ for recreational use should be an oxymoron.
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    Re: What's the purpose of smoking marijuana for Recreation?
    « Reply #79 on: March 15, 2022, 10:20:17 AM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on March 14, 2022, 10:32:25 PM
    Pax Vobis commented: Yep, I have known many people over the years who smoke.  I currently know a few lawyers who use it to unwind, instead of alcohol.  In my experience, some kids go overboard, some don't.  Some turn into hippies, some don't.  Some grow out of it and some don't.  It depends on the person.

    Any of them practicing Catholics with children who live the faith? (P.S. - I hope you are not impressed with a person just because he is a lawyer?)
    Does anyone have an example of a real Catholic with children that smokes MJ recreationally and has had no problems with his children living with it?
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    Re: What's the purpose of smoking marijuana for Recreation?
    « Reply #80 on: March 15, 2022, 10:35:50 AM »
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    They (priests) were not trained and prepared for dealing with the drugs, sex, and pill, the "MJ, alcohol, self-abuse, pornography and pre-marital relations".
    This is just a flawed view of how free will works and the limits of the Church to stop people from sinning.  It's apparent that your personality is one of "blame everyone else first but not the individual (or yourself)".  Everyone has the natural law written on their heart, everyone has free will, everyone has a DUTY to follow their conscience and KNOW their Faith.  Those that sin, do so because of their own choice.  Same for those that go to hell.

    God will not allow anyone to blame the Church on Judgement Day.  Sure, there were lukewarm priests in the 50s/60s/70s, but to be fair, MOST catholics of those days (parents, teachers, priests, etc) were lukewarm, which is why the accepted V2. 

    Grace is powerful enough to overcome bad advice, poor instruction and lukewarm superiors.  It is infallible that God will not tempt us beyond our strength.  Those that sinned, did so because of choice.
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    Re: What's the purpose of smoking marijuana for Recreation?
    « Reply #81 on: March 15, 2022, 10:42:30 AM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on March 15, 2022, 10:35:50 AM
    This is just a flawed view of how free will works and the limits of the Church to stop people from sinning.  
    Please quote where I said the priest are the only ones to blame for what happened in the 1960's. 
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    Re: What's the purpose of smoking marijuana for Recreation?
    « Reply #82 on: March 15, 2022, 11:57:51 AM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on March 15, 2022, 10:10:43 AM
    God did not make the MJ they are selling today, just the same as God did not make miniature Dobermans and all the other breeds.

    The people that eat organic food are few, the market is miniscule compared to non-organic, one does not legalize MJ because like 1% will be organic.

    You are wanting to legalize something which is destructive to society, it is already bad enough (like 60% of Americans are on some kind of a mind altering substance). Catholics who promote MJ for recreational use should be an oxymoron.
    MJ has been proven to cure cancer and other ailments.  How much cheaper it would be and how many lives would be saved if it were legal. Keeping things prescription only doesn't stop pain pill adicts from getting it.

    MJ must be legal for recreational use in order to be able to get enough, grow enough, etc, to help people.

    I have seen the benefits of MJ use in my own family.  God gave us MJ.  We should use it.
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    Re: What's the purpose of smoking marijuana for Recreation?
    « Reply #83 on: March 15, 2022, 12:40:29 PM »
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    • Quote from: epiphany on March 15, 2022, 09:46:01 AM
    I am neither a spartan or a non-functioning old man, but when I tried smoking MJ, twice, it did nothing to me, absolutely nothing.
    :laugh1: Your comment brought this to mind:

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    If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?

    ― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago

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    Re: What's the purpose of smoking marijuana for Recreation?
    « Reply #84 on: March 15, 2022, 01:09:04 PM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on March 15, 2022, 04:42:03 AM
    I have not read the other thread on this topic, but my question regarding Use of Marijuana would be where is the line drawn?  If moderation is the line, why can't we use many other drugs in moderation?
    If you read the early pages of that thread, you will appreciate the gravamen of the argument.

    As many have said, "moderation" depends on the individual's circuмstance—too many variables to make a meaningful blanket statement.
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    Re: What's the purpose of smoking marijuana for Recreation?
    « Reply #85 on: March 15, 2022, 01:36:55 PM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on March 14, 2022, 08:38:10 PM
    In my experience very few if any SSPX priests (that's where I go) can guide young people in matters of MJ, alcohol, self-abuse, pornography and pre-marital relations, because they have no personal experience whatsoever. …

    You made this very revealing statement.

    You claimed that your "experience" (your exact word) allowed you to know the advice of multiple priests (you used the plural) and were in a position to know the results of that advice regarding five concerns. So, unless 1 penitent had sins related to all five topics, you are claiming you have knowledge of the sins of multiple penitents before and after the advice of multiple priests.

    You cannot know the advice of multiple priests unless you were told by the priests and penitents or listened at the confessional. Which is it? Did multiple priests break the seal of the confessional? Or did you listen to the confessions of others? Or did multiple people decide that they also needed to confess their sins to you? Which is it?

    You cannot know the outcome of that advice unless you can compare the sins before and after the advice. To make that comparison you must have knowledge of the sɛҳuąƖ activities of multiple people. How did you get that knowledge?  Did all those penitents give you a tally of their porn use, masturbation, and fornication?  Were you doing occult paranormal "remote viewing"? Or were you a serial Peeping Tom?

    Of course, there is another possibility… You lied that you have "experience," simply did the Meg thing, presumed you know the interior forum and project acts about which you could only perversely know or imagine, and are just what we know you to be—a rabid blowhard perverted bullsh*tter.

    Your own statement reveals that you are a seriously disordered person—sɛҳuąƖly and spiritually—who foams and perversely ruminates about and projects the sɛҳuąƖ sins of others. It seems that your stated sɛҳuąƖ past is reflected in your present disorder.

    Totally disgusting.
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    Re: What's the purpose of smoking marijuana for Recreation?
    « Reply #86 on: March 15, 2022, 01:40:57 PM »
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    • Quote from: Mark 79 on March 15, 2022, 01:36:55 PM
    You made this very revealing statement.

    You claimed that your "experience" (your exact word) allowed you to know the advice of multiple priests (you used the plural) and were in a position to know the results of that advice regarding five concerns. So, unless 1 penitent had sins related to all five topics, you are claiming you have knowledge of the sins of multiple penitents before and after the advice of multiple priests.

    You cannot know the advice of multiple priests unless you were told by the priests and penitents or listened at the confessional. Which is it? Did multiple priests break the seal of the confessional? Or did you listen to the confessions of others? Or did multiple people decide that they also needed to confess their sins to you? Which is it?

    You cannot know the outcome of that advice unless you can compare the sins before and after the advice. To make that comparison you must have knowledge of the sɛҳuąƖ activities of multiple people. How did you get that knowledge?  Did all those penitents give you a tally of their porn use, masturbation, and fornication?  Were you doing occult paranormal "remote viewing"? Or were you a serial Peeping Tom?

    Of course, there is another possibility… You lied that you have "experience," simply did the Meg thing, presumed you know the interior forum and project acts about which you could only perversely know or imagine, and are just what we know you to be—a rabid blowhard perverted bullsh*tter.

    Your own statement reveals that you are a seriously disordered person—sɛҳuąƖly and spiritually—who foams and perversely ruminates about and projects the sɛҳuąƖ sins of others. It seems that your stated sɛҳuąƖ past is reflected in your present disorder.

    Totally disgusting.
    Maybe he knows the sins of his children and requires then to tell him what the priest says in the confessional?
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    Re: What's the purpose of smoking marijuana for Recreation?
    « Reply #87 on: March 15, 2022, 01:42:58 PM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on March 14, 2022, 08:38:10 PM
    In my experience very few if any SSPX priests (that's where I go) can guide young people in matters of MJ, alcohol, self-abuse, pornography and pre-marital relations, because they have no personal experience whatsoever. That is why I see the young people leave and go into the world as soon as they are able. That is what happened in the 1960's when 80% of Americans went to mass and the Novus Ordo did not exist. The priest didn't have a clue how to deal with it. I see women counselors who never had any children, giving lectures about how to raise children, and college professors who have never had to use their theories in the real world, teaching students . They are only good for teaching those that know little, like children. "In the country of blind men, the one eyed man is a king".

    If you have not smoked pot you can't know anything but what you read. If you have friends who smoke pot, that is one way to learn about the effects by seeing them and how they live. Do you have any experience with relatives and friends who smoke pot?
    I don't have to have had an abortion to know to advise against it. 
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    Re: What's the purpose of smoking marijuana for Recreation?
    « Reply #88 on: March 15, 2022, 01:53:14 PM »
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    • Quote from: epiphany on March 15, 2022, 01:40:57 PM
    Maybe he knows the sins of his children and requires then to tell him what the priest says in the confessional?
    If that were the case he would also need to know the specifics of the advice in the confessional either by listening or coercing his children.

    His self-damning statement also lists a litany of sins that include "MJ, alcohol, self-abuse, pornography and pre-marital relations."

    If he actually is referring to his own children, then:

    (1) he has all the MJ, alcohol, and sex problems for which he has been damning us (meanwhile trying to drag our children into his own family's mess).
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    (2) it is not likely the priests' (plural) advice that is at fault, but his own parenting—about which he presumes to advise us.

    There is no innocent explanation for his self-damning statement.

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    Re: What's the purpose of smoking marijuana for Recreation?
    « Reply #89 on: March 15, 2022, 01:58:05 PM »
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    • Quote from: epiphany on March 15, 2022, 01:42:58 PM
    I don't have to have had an abortion to know to advise against it.
    Note carefully: he said it is his "experience."

    He did not claim his opinion came from reading or a theological abstraction, but from "experience."

    There is no decent or blameless way for him to "experience" either the priests' advice or the penitents' before and after sɛҳuąƖ sins.

    Only by sinful and perverse means could he "experience" the advice and outcomes.

    He has really hoisted himself on his own petard.

    Totally disgusting.
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