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Offline Gloria Tibi Domine

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Re: What's the purpose of smoking marijuana for Recreation?
« Reply #60 on: March 15, 2022, 08:27:04 AM »
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  • Is using pot sinful for Catholics? In my opinion, it is. Grace builds on nature. It's undeniable that the general culture surrounding the use of pot is immoral, loose and destructive to the individual soul and society as a whole. Best to err on the side of caution and prudence. "Medicinal" pot use is the back door to legalizing pot for "recreation". Since, according to some, the church allows for the use of substances such as pot, this doesn't mean it must be allowed. It means in the strict sense it can be allowed. If the church allows the use of pot, then the use of it can be freely opposed. I oppose its use.
     On the whole, it seems that none of the zealous "tolerators" of pot use smoke pot. Isn't that something. Some have jobs that test against its use. The military, civil service jobs test against the use of pot and none of the pot use "tolerators" can't/won't answer why this is. Try getting and keeping a CDL while using pot.
     To LT and others there is no reason to second guess your convictions regarding pot use.

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    Re: What's the purpose of smoking marijuana for Recreation?
    « Reply #61 on: March 15, 2022, 08:47:41 AM »
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  • Unfortunately, it is given that it has been hammered into our heads for close to a century that "MJ bad" and "alcohol good" when both are on equal footing morally-speaking.

    And I'm only on the moderation usage side of this because to say it's inherently sinful is untrue. I personally hate the "pot culture" and have seen several friends and acquaintances wreck their lives with it.
    But if you examine WHY MJ was illegized, you will see that It should not have been.

    I have seen several friends and acquaintances wreck their lives with alcohol or pain killers.


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    Re: What's the purpose of smoking marijuana for Recreation?
    « Reply #62 on: March 15, 2022, 08:49:47 AM »
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  • I'm assuming that LT is asking everyone if they smoke pot to either show that none of them really 'believe' it can be used in moderation since if they did they would be using it, or to argue that their lack of experience with it shows that they don't know what they're talking about. Either way, those are non-sequiturs.  Someone can say that they believe it is lawful to fight in self defense and yet at the same time never do so even when justified. This is logically consistent, for that may be a better good one is pursuing. And lack of experience should hardly factor in since moral questions are guided by principles firstly. This is how priests can counsel about sɛҳuąƖ relationships even if they are virgins: they are guided by principles rather than experience.
    Not once have I received good counsel from a priest about sɛҳuąƖ relationships.  Most of the time they were dead wrong.

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    Re: What's the purpose of smoking marijuana for Recreation?
    « Reply #63 on: March 15, 2022, 08:50:57 AM »
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  • In my experience very few if any SSPX priests (that's where I go) can guide young people in matters of MJ, alcohol, self-abuse, pornography and pre-marital relations, because they have no personal experience whatsoever. That is why I see the young people leave and go into the world as soon as they are able. That is what happened in the 1960's when 80% of Americans went to mass and the Novus Ordo did not exist. The priest didn't have a clue how to deal with it. I see women counselors who never had any children, giving lectures about how to raise children, and college professors who have never had to use their theories in the real world, teaching students . They are only good for teaching those that know little, like children. "In the country of blind men, the one eyed man is a king".

    If you have not smoked pot you can't know anything but what you read. If you have friends who smoke pot, that is one way to learn about the effects by seeing them and how they live. Do you have any experience with relatives and friends who smoke pot?
    There are other ways to injest MJ than smoking it.

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    Re: What's the purpose of smoking marijuana for Recreation?
    « Reply #64 on: March 15, 2022, 08:53:31 AM »
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  • No, I judge them by their fruits, the young people they advised in the Catholic schools and in the confessional, they all lost the faith in the 1960's. I see the same today in my SSPX chapel. I spelled all that out earlier.
    SO many other factors than priests destroying the faith in people, LT.


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    Re: What's the purpose of smoking marijuana for Recreation?
    « Reply #65 on: March 15, 2022, 08:57:41 AM »
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  • Okay, thank you for explaining. And no, I didn't know that that's what you meant by it. Like I said, traditional Catholics do not use that term (even though it's in the Bible THREE whole times). I guess that "everyone else" is familiar with terminology that Prots use. Fine. A little weird, but fine.

    So you believe that your son should not care about outward appearance, only in being holy and without sin? That means that you are fine with him looking any way that he chooses? Any way at all? Does he follow your example? The Novus ordo folks would certainly agree with you about appearance, except that they aren't really concerned with holiness so much. For them, its like, "God needs to take me as I am." Such nonsense.

    How can we relate this to recreational pot smoking?
    Funny, I use the term frequently and I have been trad all my old life.

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    Re: What's the purpose of smoking marijuana for Recreation?
    « Reply #66 on: March 15, 2022, 09:09:03 AM »
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  • SO many other factors than priests destroying the faith in people, LT.
    The SSPX priests are not destroying the faith, no, no, do not misunderstand what I am saying, I never said that. What I said was that they are not even addressing THE sin that takes away by far the most souls and according to St. Remigius that takes practically every adult male and female:

    Among adults there are few saved because of the sins of the flesh....With exception of those who die in childhood, most men will be damned. (St. Remigius of Rheims)

    The recreational use of MJ and other drugs is a primary ingredient is the licentious behavior taking the souls away .






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    Re: What's the purpose of smoking marijuana for Recreation?
    « Reply #67 on: March 15, 2022, 09:14:43 AM »
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  • Not once have I received good counsel from a priest about sɛҳuąƖ relationships.  Most of the time they were dead wrong.
    The sin that takes practically every adult to eternal damnation! It is like a plumber that will not work on anything dirty.


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    Re: What's the purpose of smoking marijuana for Recreation?
    « Reply #68 on: March 15, 2022, 09:19:15 AM »
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  • Is using pot sinful for Catholics? In my opinion, it is. Grace builds on nature. It's undeniable that the general culture surrounding the use of pot is immoral, loose and destructive to the individual soul and society as a whole. Best to err on the side of caution and prudence. "Medicinal" pot use is the back door to legalizing pot for "recreation". Since, according to some, the church allows for the use of substances such as pot, this doesn't mean it must be allowed. It means in the strict sense it can be allowed. If the church allows the use of pot, then the use of it can be freely opposed. I oppose its use.
     On the whole, it seems that none of the zealous "tolerators" of pot use smoke pot. Isn't that something. Some have jobs that test against its use. The military, civil service jobs test against the use of pot and none of the pot use "tolerators" can't/won't answer why this is. Try getting and keeping a CDL while using pot.
     To LT and others there is no reason to second guess your convictions regarding pot use.
    "Catholic recreational users of MJ", should be an oxymoron to Catholics, it is that simple. Catholics that think otherwise, are either not thinking, naive, or do not want to give up their toys. I am amazed that there are actually a few people here on CI that are defending recreational use of MJ.

    They who are enlightened to walk in the way of perfection, and through lukewarmness wish to tread the ordinary paths, shall be abandoned. (Bl. Angela of Foligno)

    They who are to be saved as Saints, and wish to be saved as imperfect souls, shall not be saved. (Pope St. Gregory the Great)

    St. Teresa.... had she not risen from the state of lukewarmness in which she lived, she would in the end have lost the grace of God and been damned. ( St. Alphonsus Liguori)


         

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    Re: What's the purpose of smoking marijuana for Recreation?
    « Reply #69 on: March 15, 2022, 09:22:12 AM »
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  • The SSPX priests are not destroying the faith, no, no, do not misunderstand what I am saying, I never said that. What I said was that they are not even addressing THE sin that takes away by far the most souls and according to St. Remigius that takes practically every adult male and female:

    Among adults there are few saved because of the sins of the flesh....With exception of those who die in childhood, most men will be damned. (St. Remigius of Rheims)

    The recreational use of MJ and other drugs is a primary ingredient is the licentious behavior taking the souls away .
    SSPX priests ARE destroying the faith.  The advice some of them give is horrible, sometimes even sinful.

    Use of MJ is not a sin of the flesh.  It may contribute to it, but so does alcohol, pain killers, even over the counter meds or supplements.  Benadryl makes me hyper.  Melatonin makes me lose all inhibitions.  Some people "get off" on certain foods.  Do we make everything illegal?  No.  Moderation in all things is the way to go.

    Our priest talks about sins of the flesh from the pulpit, far too often, in my opinion, but maybe he is just too descriptive. 

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    Re: What's the purpose of smoking marijuana for Recreation?
    « Reply #70 on: March 15, 2022, 09:34:37 AM »
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  • "Bringing forth grass for cattle, and herb for the service of men. That thou mayst bring bread out of the earth:"
    [Psalms 103:14]


    And God said: Behold I have given you every herb bearing seed upon the earth, and all trees that have in themselves seed of their own kind, to be your meat:
    Genesis 1:29


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    Re: What's the purpose of smoking marijuana for Recreation?
    « Reply #71 on: March 15, 2022, 09:35:32 AM »
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  • Use of MJ is not a sin of the flesh. (No one has said that it is)  It may contribute to it, but so does alcohol, pain killers, even over the counter meds or supplements (MJ is a stimulant for sex drive, much more that alcohol).  Benadryl makes me hyper.  Melatonin makes me lose all inhibitions.  Some people "get off" on certain foods.  Do we make everything illegal?  No.  Moderation in all things is the way to go (Nothing is impossible, but just because it is possible for some Spartan or non-functioning old men, one does not legalize something in which there really is no moderation in recreational use among young adults, which is what I am concerned with. If an old man like M79 wants to "recreationally" smoke dope in his home and only he and his wife know, that is their problem, I could care less, since nothing I say is going to change that.)
    My comments in bold. 

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    Re: What's the purpose of smoking marijuana for Recreation?
    « Reply #72 on: March 15, 2022, 09:37:35 AM »
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  • "Bringing forth grass for cattle, and herb for the service of men. That thou mayst bring bread out of the earth:"
    [Psalms 103:14]


    And God said: Behold I have given you every herb bearing seed upon the earth, and all trees that have in themselves seed of their own kind, to be your meat:
    Genesis 1:29
    Go ahead and eat all the GMO corn, drink up the  fluoride city water, and eat all the steroided beef,   they are all made the same as todays MJ.

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    Re: What's the purpose of smoking marijuana for Recreation?
    « Reply #73 on: March 15, 2022, 09:41:15 AM »
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  •  I am amazed that there are actually a few people here on CI that are defending recreational use of MJ.
    I defend the legalization of MJ, and the responsible use thereof, because I grow weary of government control of healing medications God gave us.

    I have see the beneficial use of injesting MJ. 

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    Re: What's the purpose of smoking marijuana for Recreation?
    « Reply #74 on: March 15, 2022, 09:41:29 AM »
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  • Where the rubber meets the road, this advice is useless. According to this, I can use Cocaine like coffee to get a job done or go out dancing with my wife when I am tired and do not want to. Teach this to the children, that it is just a venial sin and it will they will go the way of the 1960's. 

    I guess you didn't actually read it (or comprehend).  Cocaine has an extremely high risk of addicition and would therefore fall under that prohibition.

    Secondly, here you go again with the "just" a venial sin garbage.  Nobody's advocating venial sin.  Jone says that it's venial if there's no proportionate justification, but no sin at all if there's proportioniate justification.  So, if you could take cocaine without the risk of addiction (not possible, from what I understand), and it didn't compromise your reason, and you needed it to get your work done, yes, it would be justifiable ... and NO sin at all (not "just" venial sin).