Author Topic: What's the purpose of smoking marijuana for Recreation? (Read 22412 times)

Meg · « **Reply #45 on:** March 15, 2022, 12:25:57 AM »

Quote from: DigitalLogos on March 15, 2022, 12:21:16 AM

Lol equating knowledge of Scripture with Protestantism is just dumb, Meg. I guess St. Jerome was a Protestant too because he memorized all of Scripture...

Nadir defined it for you above, since you're incapable of using a search engine.

I'm not asking for a definition of 'righteous.' Good grief.

What did you mean when said that "Our Lord cares more that he is righteous than what clothes he wears, or how his hair looks."

You obviously do not intend to explain yourself. A bit strange, but okay. Maybe you don't even know why you wrote that, or what you meant by it. It just sounded somehow virtuous at the time, to use that word?

Mark 79 · « **Reply #46 on:** March 15, 2022, 12:27:45 AM »

Quote from: Last Tradhican on March 14, 2022, 10:56:59 PM

No, I judge them by their fruits, the young people they advised in the Catholic schools and in the confessional, they all lost the faith in the 1960's. I see the same today in my SSPX chapel. I spelled all that out earlier.

Non-responsive.

You cannot judge "fruits" unless you are a peeping Tom.

How else would your "experience" give you knowledge of people fornicating and masturbating?

Do you expect us to believe that people confess to you?

Nadir · « **Reply #47 on:** March 15, 2022, 12:28:14 AM »

There was an illiterate saint (can’t remember his name - I will try to find his name) who knew the whole book of Psalms and recited them all every day.
Must have been a Protestant!

DigitalLogos · « **Reply #48 on:** March 15, 2022, 12:33:57 AM »

Quote from: Meg on March 15, 2022, 12:25:57 AM

I'm not asking for a definition of 'righteous.' Good grief.

What did you mean when said that "Our Lord cares more that he is righteous than what clothes he wears, or how his hair looks."

You obviously do not intend to explain yourself. A bit strange, but okay. Maybe you don't even know why you wrote that, or what you meant by it. It just sounded somehow virtuous at the time, to use that word?

Righteous, meaning holy, without sin. You know that. I would rather my son be righteous than putting stake in outward appearances. Everyone else got that

Nadir · « **Reply #49 on:** March 15, 2022, 12:40:00 AM »

Quote from: Nadir on March 15, 2022, 12:28:14 AM

There was an illiterate saint (can’t remember his name - I will try to find his name) who knew the whole book of Psalms and recited them all every day.
Must have been a Protestant!

Correction. He was Bl Constantius of Fabriano. He was literate. He recited the Office of the Dead every day, and often the whole 150 Psalms which he knew by heart. He said he had never been refused a favour for which he has recited the whole Psalter.

Meg · « **Reply #50 on:** March 15, 2022, 12:42:52 AM »

Quote from: DigitalLogos on March 15, 2022, 12:33:57 AM

Righteous, meaning holy, without sin. You know that. I would rather my son be righteous than putting stake in outward appearances. Everyone else got that

Okay, thank you for explaining. And no, I didn't know that that's what you meant by it. Like I said, traditional Catholics do not use that term (even though it's in the Bible THREE whole times). I guess that "everyone else" is familiar with terminology that Prots use. Fine. A little weird, but fine.

So you believe that your son should not care about outward appearance, only in being holy and without sin? That means that you are fine with him looking any way that he chooses? Any way at all? Does he follow your example? The Novus ordo folks would certainly agree with you about appearance, except that they aren't really concerned with holiness so much. For them, its like, "God needs to take me as I am." Such nonsense.

How can we relate this to recreational pot smoking?

Nadir · « **Reply #51 on:** March 15, 2022, 01:45:37 AM »

What Bible are you using, Meg, because I presented more than 3 references in DRBO.
Not to flog a dead horse, Meg, and apologies for offering Wikipedia

In the New Testament, the word righteousness, a translation word for the Greek dikaiosunē, is used as 'being righteous before others' (e.g. Matthew 5:20) or 'being righteous before God' (e.g. Romans 1:17). William Lane Craig argues that we should think of God as the "paradigm, the locus, the source of all moral value and standards".^[5] In Matthew's account of the baptism Jesus tells the prophet "it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness" as Jesus requests that John perform the rite for him. The Sermon of the Mount contains the memorable commandment "Seek ye first the kingdom of God and His righteousness".
A secondary meaning of the Greek word is 'justice',^[6] which is used to render it in a few places by a few Bible translations, e.g. in Matthew 6:33 in the New English Bible.
Jesus asserts the importance of righteousness by saying in Matthew 5:20, "For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven."
However, Paul the Apostle speaks of two ways, at least in theory, to achieve righteousness: through the Law of Moses (or Torah); and through faith in the atonement made possible through the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ (Romans 10:3-13). Some interpret that he repeatedly emphasizes that faith is the only effective way.^[7] For example, just a few verses earlier, he states the Jews did not attain the law of righteousness because they sought it not by faith, but by works.^[8] The New Testament speaks of a salvation founded on God's righteousness, as exemplified throughout the history of salvation narrated in the Old Testament (Romans 9–11). Paul writes to the Romans that righteousness comes by faith: "...a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: 'The righteous will live by faith.'" (Romans 1:17)
In 2 Corinthians 9:9 the New Revised Standard Version has a footnote that the original word has the meaning of 'benevolence' and the Messianic Jєωιѕн commentary of David Stern affirms the Jєωιѕн practice of 'doing tzedakah' as charity in referring to the Matt. 6 and II Cor. 9 passages.^[9]
James 2:14–26 speaks of the relationship between works of righteousness and faith, saying that "faith without works is dead." Righteous acts according to James include works of charity (James 2:15–16) as well as avoiding sins against the Law of Moses (James 2:11–12).
2 Peter 2:7–8 describes Lot as a righteous man.

2Vermont · « **Reply #52 on:** March 15, 2022, 04:42:03 AM »

I have not read the other thread on this topic, but my question regarding Use of Marijuana would be where is the line drawn? If moderation is the line, why can't we use many other drugs in moderation?

Last Tradhican · « **Reply #53 on:** March 15, 2022, 06:37:35 AM »

Quote from: DigitalLogos on March 15, 2022, 12:33:57 AM

Righteous, meaning holy, without sin. You know that. I would rather my son be righteous than putting stake in outward appearances. ~~Everyone else got tha~~t

There, that's better. If the writer had answered that in the first place, it would have saved a lot of time.

One should not assume that someone is trying to catch them at something every time they are asked a question. It indicates to me that they are afraid of making a mistake in a response. People like that rarely learn anything new because for they are afraid of making a mistake and being called out on it. This is an anonymous forum, no one knows who the person writing is, so what is there to be afraid of? Any errors anyone writes here and the association with the person is forgotten withing a few days. or when the person makes a learned response.

The greatest baseball player in all of its history was Babe Ruth, and everyone knows his name, but nobody knows the name of the player that struck out the most, it is not a good to strike out, right? We'll, the player that struck out the most was Babe Ruth. You see, if you do not swing for the fences, if you choke up on the bat and just try to make contact with the ball, you will not strike out, but you will also not hit any home runs.

One should not care if they are wrong in what they write and if they are called out on it, as long as it brings out something of use for him and others. The funny, but true quote from Mark Twain was " Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement ", which is very true, but I add to it, that it is better to learn from other people's mistakes, because there are 7.5 billion other people and we are just one, that 7.5 million times more bad judgement to learn from.

P.S. - Down votes do not mean "everyone else got it", they do not mean much in the short run, they have to be looked at in the long run. The vast majority of people do not bother with downvoting. It is only a certain type of person that downvotes or upvotes, and usually it is to punish a person.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #54 on:** March 15, 2022, 06:42:40 AM »

Quote from: 2Vermont on March 15, 2022, 04:42:03 AM

I have not read the other thread on this topic, but my question regarding Use of Marijuana would be where is the line drawn? If moderation is the line, why can't we use many other drugs in moderation?

Same rules apply to other "narcotics" ... as Jone classified them. With the opiate family, in particular, there's serious risk of addiction involved as well, that has ruined many lives, and so that's a consideration with some other narcotics. It's practically impossible to use "small amounts" and "infrequently" with opiates, as the claim is that you can get badly addicted with even a tiny amount.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #55 on:** March 15, 2022, 06:50:05 AM »

Quote from: Last Tradhican on March 14, 2022, 08:38:10 PM

In my experience very few if any SSPX priests (that's where I go) can guide young people in matters of MJ, alcohol, self-abuse, pornography and pre-marital relations, because they have no personal experience whatsoever.

Sorry, but this is the same garbage spewed by the Novus Ordo, that priests cannot counsel married couples since they're not married. So you're saying that the best priests are those who have had experiences with MJ, alcohol, self-abuse, pornography, and fornication? This is borderline insane. It doesn't require the commission of sin to understand what it is and how to deal with it.

Also, you come across here (and some other times) almost as if you're BOASTING of your past sins ... instead of being ashamed and contrite over them. If I had the past that you've often described, I'd do my best to completely expunge it from my memory and would never speak of those things again, much less use them to assert superiority over others in understanding these issues.

Sin does not cause clarity of the intellect, but confuses it. You are probably over-reacting to this issue because your own sinful past has colored your ability to address the issue objectively. Just because you saw every woman you enountered as an opportunity for conquest, and may have yourself used MJ to those ends (implied in your previous comments), this does not mean that every person who takes a small amount of marijuana to ease a potentially debilitating anxiety has the same intentions. You immediately jumped from an occasional hit of MJ to using it to seduce women. That's ridiculous. I've known a lot of people who smoked pot in excess, and none of them were using it to seduce women.

Last Tradhican · « **Reply #56 on:** March 15, 2022, 06:59:10 AM »

Quote from: Meg on March 15, 2022, 12:42:52 AM

Okay, thank you for explaining. And no, I didn't know that that's what you meant by it. Like I said, traditional Catholics do not use that term (even though it's in the Bible THREE whole times). I guess that "everyone else" is familiar with terminology that Prots use. Fine. A little weird, but fine.

So you believe that your son should not care about outward appearance, only in being holy and without sin? That means that you are fine with him looking any way that he chooses? Any way at all? Does he follow your example? The Novus ordo folks would certainly agree with you about appearance, except that they aren't really concerned with holiness so much. For them, its like, "God needs to take me as I am." Such nonsense.

How can we relate this to recreational pot smoking?

Two downvotes for that honest, courteous and "righteous" response comment so far, I guess the third downvoter has not logged in yet?

It is a good response and a good question at the end which I will answer, for my part in this. I was the one that started the question to break up the tension. I wanted to see how parents deal with something that is not a sin, but has repercussions in the world. But so far, only one person has answered. It looks like they are afraid of "getting caught". They should remember Babe Ruth and swing for the fences, like you do.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #57 on:** March 15, 2022, 07:11:06 AM »

Jone's Moral Theology

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c) Since morphine, opium, chloroform and similar drugs can also deprive one of the use of his reason temporarily, that which was said of intoxicating drinks holds also for narcotics (Cf. 165, 4).

a) To use narcotics in small quantities and only occasionally, is a venial sin if done without a sufficient reason. Any proportionately good reason justifies their use, e.g., to calm the nerves, dispel insomnia, etc.

Such usc becomes gravely sinful if it creates an habitual craving for "dope" which is more difficult to overcome than dipsomania and more injurious to health.

(3) To use drugs in greater quantities so as to lose the use of one's reason is in itself a mortal sin; but for a good reason it is permissible. Such a good reason is had in case of operations, i.e., that the patient be rendered insensible to intense pain, or that one might remain calm under the knife. In like manner one may administer opiates to one who is suffering greatly in order to alleviate his pain.

Last Tradhican · « **Reply #58 on:** March 15, 2022, 07:44:26 AM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on March 15, 2022, 06:50:05 AM

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LT wrote: In my experience very few if any SSPX priests (that's where I go) can guide young people in matters of MJ, alcohol, self-abuse, pornography and pre-marital relations, because they have no personal experience whatsoever.
Sorry, but this is the same garbage spewed by the Novus Ordo, that priests cannot counsel married couples since they're not married. So you're saying that the best priests are those who have had experiences with MJ, alcohol, self-abuse, pornography, and fornication?

You are correct, I didn't write that properly when it is left to hang by itself like that. The personal experience needs to be elaborated on. In the 1960's the drugs, sex, and pill took away all of the young people away from the Church. These young people were raised in Catholic schools, which is the primary source for learning the faith and keeping young people in the sacraments, chiefly confession, which is the continuously used sacrament. The priests and nuns were there to teach 24/7 at the school, not just in confession and Sunday sermons. The schools failed big time. They were not trained and prepared for dealing with the drugs, sex, and pill, the "MJ, alcohol, self-abuse, pornography and pre-marital relations". Had they been trained to see and deal with it as THE greatest enemy they have, the sin that takes by far the most souls to hell as St. Remigius taught "Among adults there are few saved because of the sins of the flesh....With exception of those who die in childhood, most men will be damned", they would have had far less loss of souls. They had the Latin Mass in every church and the beautiful vestments, marble, incense and music. The SSPX is n living in the 1960's again. I see the same mistakes occurring today and the young people going off to live in the world, party and have a good time, while the SSPX priests are not even giving a sermon. The sin that takes practically every adult and it is not even acknowledged or mentioned! That is what happened in the 1960's.

An old priest that I knew that was in the missions in the Polynesian islands in the 1950's, told me a true story of a newly ordained young priest, that went to an 80 year old priest and asked him when it is that a priest can eliminate the temptations that come from seeing the young girls walking around topless. The old man told him that he'll let him know when it happens. I think the best priest would be those that have experienced the temptations and in the case of alcohol some other things actually had trouble with it.

The 1960's priests had no experience learning about the gravity of the sin that took and takes everyone away. They were not prepared for dealing with it and it appears that they still do not today in the SSPX. I mention the SSPX only because that is where I go.

Last Tradhican · « **Reply #59 on:** March 15, 2022, 07:53:05 AM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on March 15, 2022, 07:11:06 AM

Jone's Moral Theology

c) Since morphine, opium, chloroform and similar drugs can also deprive one of the use of his reason temporarily, that which was said of intoxicating drinks holds also for narcotics (Cf. 165, 4).

a) To use narcotics in small quantities and only occasionally, is a venial sin if done without a sufficient reason. Any proportionately good reason justifies their use, e.g., to calm the nerves, dispel insomnia, etc.

Where the rubber meets the road, this advice is useless. According to this, I can use Cocaine like coffee to get a job done or go out dancing with my wife when I am tired and do not want to. Teach this to the children, that it is just a venial sin and it will they will go the way of the 1960's.

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