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Offline St Giles

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What's Best: Close or Spread Out?
« on: November 05, 2025, 07:34:38 PM »
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  • Though I'm sure we want to be close to other good Catholics, and there would be the benefit of strength in numbers, is it really best?

    Would life get too easy making us soft and complacent if we weren't so spread out?

    What's best for our salvation?

    What's best for the conversion of the world? If we all lived in one state, for example, the rest of the world would have much less interaction with us.

    Is there more profit in this age from the relative isolation we suffer? Is it that suffering which is of most benefit to the church now? 

    Is it our being spread out that protects the true faith from being lost due to physical annihilation by our enemies, or the spread of some infectious heresy?

    Would our moving to form communities cause too much harm to those who don't want to move (or can't if that's even possible)? Is that their fault/problem?

    "Be you therefore perfect, as also your heavenly Father is perfect."
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    Offline Mat183

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    Re: What's Best: Close or Spread Out?
    « Reply #1 on: November 05, 2025, 08:22:05 PM »
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  • For your consideration: https://catholiclandmovement.info/







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    Re: What's Best: Close or Spread Out?
    « Reply #2 on: November 05, 2025, 09:24:52 PM »
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  • For your consideration: https://catholiclandmovement.info/







    Many Catholic families yearn for a return to Christ-centered, productive, land-based living — but it often seems impossible. We offer the network, vision, and support to help make it a reality.
    Four Pillars of the Catholic Land Movement





    • Resettlement
      The restoration of Catholic rural property through the resettlement and practical support of rural, agriculturally and domestically productive homesteads.



    • Education
      The education and training of Catholic laity in the domestic order, agricultural skills and craft traditions necessary to successfully cultivate Catholic homesteads.



    • Fellowship
      Cultivating a network of practical, spiritual and intellectual support between those established Catholic homesteads and those seeking to establish or support Catholic homesteads.



    • Glorification
      Renewing the time honored traditions of the Church surrounding agrarian life, glorifying the God that gives all good gifts.







    No info about who they are, what priests service them, how to visit /Join, etc.
    Though I'm sure we want to be close to other good Catholics, and there would be the benefit of strength in numbers, is it really best?

    Would life get too easy making us soft and complacent if we weren't so spread out?

    What's best for our salvation?

    What's best for the conversion of the world? If we all lived in one state, for example, the rest of the world would have much less interaction with us.

    Is there more profit in this age from the relative isolation we suffer? Is it that suffering which is of most benefit to the church now?

    Is it our being spread out that protects the true faith from being lost due to physical annihilation by our enemies, or the spread of some infectious heresy?

    Would our moving to form communities cause too much harm to those who don't want to move (or can't if that's even possible)? Is that their fault/problem?


    Pros and cons.  Would be easier for our enemies to wipe us all out if we were all together.

    Offline Mat183

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    Re: What's Best: Close or Spread Out?
    « Reply #3 on: November 05, 2025, 09:43:23 PM »
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  • No info about who they are, what priests service them, how to visit /Join, etc.Pros and cons.  Would be easier for our enemies to wipe us all out if we were all together.

    I recommend that perhaps you take a more thorough look through the website.  If you still need individual questions answered you may go here: https://catholiclandmovement.info/contact

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    Re: What's Best: Close or Spread Out?
    « Reply #4 on: November 06, 2025, 08:21:54 AM »
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  • I recommend that perhaps you take a more thorough look through the website.  If you still need individual questions answered you may go here: https://catholiclandmovement.info/contact
    Perhaps i am blind, but I saw No info about who they are, what priests service them, how to visit /Join, what their background is, etc.


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    Re: What's Best: Close or Spread Out?
    « Reply #5 on: November 06, 2025, 10:00:51 AM »
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  • Human nature is social. God made it that way. We are influenced for better or worse by those by whom we are surrounded. The ideal is obviously and plainly Catholic communities that are tied into close physical proximity. 
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).

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    Re: What's Best: Close or Spread Out?
    « Reply #6 on: November 06, 2025, 11:25:03 AM »
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  • How about accepting the place God has put you? Many people seem to long for how things were in the past.  We, Catholics, need to be more self-aware than ever.  If you find that being away from people progresses into falling away from the Faith, then go find a community.  If your Faith is strong and you can be a light for others, do that.  If you have no clue about yourself, then work on that.
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    Re: What's Best: Close or Spread Out?
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  • I recommend that perhaps you take a more thorough look through the website.  If you still need individual questions answered you may go here: https://catholiclandmovement.info/contact

    One additional factor to consider is the Catholic village's proximity to 4G and 5G radiation.

    There's data out there showing rural community populations are much healthier if they avoid this level of electro magnetic radiation.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    Re: What's Best: Close or Spread Out?
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  • Many of us had tried to group Catholics together through social media, and there have been some real attempts to move closer together geographically in different parts of France. However, it is very difficult to find two trad catholics who agree on mass validity, papal validity, EENS, BOD and the rest of it. These are real issues that cause a great deal of conflict, as the areas where we group should naturally gravitate to where there is access to sacraments. What if the only priest available to the trad group is a brilliant ecclesia dei rallied priest? Many in the group will attend his masses and gradually socialise seperately from those who don't. 

    Having discussed this with many like minded catholics, our conclusion is that one should be Catholic where one is and attempt to be a beacon amongst our neighbours, colleagues, fellow sports club members and the like. 

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    Re: What's Best: Close or Spread Out?
    « Reply #9 on: Today at 01:57:26 PM »
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  • Many of us had tried to group Catholics together through social media, and there have been some real attempts to move closer together geographically in different parts of France. However, it is very difficult to find two trad catholics who agree on mass validity, papal validity, EENS, BOD and the rest of it. These are real issues that cause a great deal of conflict, as the areas where we group should naturally gravitate to where there is access to sacraments. What if the only priest available to the trad group is a brilliant ecclesia dei rallied priest? Many in the group will attend his masses and gradually socialise seperately from those who don't.

    Having discussed this with many like minded catholics, our conclusion is that one should be Catholic where one is and attempt to be a beacon amongst our neighbours, colleagues, fellow sports club members and the like.
    You bring up a good point and I agree, one should be Catholic where one is. I would image this hypothetical Catholic community, or the idea of it would attract people from the pre-1954 sede and non-sede, or from an independent chapel, FSSPX, Ecclesia Dei or Novus Ordo, etc. That would introduce some challenges that up to a couple of generations ago, Catholics did not have to deal with.