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Offline Theosist

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Re: What's a reasonable age difference for a relatioship
« Reply #75 on: May 19, 2018, 04:02:15 AM »
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    Canon law saws 14 is the age for marriage.

    This was practiced in many places before the council.
    Marriage at such an age or younger has never been  "normal" practice in Christian Europe. The average age of marriage in the Middle Ages was pretty much everywhere at least 18 years, and it only increased with the centuries.

    Yes, the minimum legal age for marriage in England was set at 12 during these times. To think that this means older men were going around consummating marriages with girls is absurd and reveals an ignorance of social history; Shakespeare making Juliet 14 scandalised Elizabethans.

    And how could it have been normal? Girls are not made to bear babies in their wombs. Pregnancy is a risk to their health and is likely to leave them with permanent physical damage, and children born to immature mothers are consistently disadvantaged in every area of life. And the people fo the day knew this!

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12290458

    Obstetric fistula is one of the most severe childbirth-related complications. The small size and physical weakness of many young pregnant girls makes it extremely difficult for them to give birth to a child. Delivery is therefore often prolonged. During childbirth, girls' perineum often tears, leaving holes between the bladder and/or the rectum and the vagina. The young mothers from then on lose control over their bladder and bowels, are unable to bear more children, and find sɛҳuąƖ intercourse painful. Such fistula are common in Somalia, Ethiopia, most Sahelian countries, Zambia, and Zimbabwe, but particularly so in Niger. 23,000 girls and women in Niger have the condition, or 1% of all women of child-bearing age.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5112350/

    The effect of low maternal age on child height restriction from 0 to 11 months occurred in half the countries studied after adjusting for confounders. Poorer growth continuing after 24 months in children of younger mothers was observed in all regions, but needs further research to determine the causes. The effects were about double (in stunting prevalence terms) in Africa, where there was an increase in 10 ppts in stunting for children of young mothers.

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    People like you are living with your minds in a fantasy land.


    Offline Smedley Butler

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    Re: What's a reasonable age difference for a relatioship
    « Reply #76 on: May 19, 2018, 08:40:33 AM »
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  • The Holy Family is the spiritual ideal for marriage that we are all supposed to imitate.

    The Holy Family is the exception to the natural model, in which God created the man and woman both the same age of 30, the age of perfection.

    Spouses are meant to grow together in God's plan and marriage is a companionate relationship.

    Marriage is NOT a father-daughter relationship.


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    Re: What's a reasonable age difference for a relatioship
    « Reply #77 on: May 19, 2018, 06:35:56 PM »
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  • Canon law saws 14 is the age for marriage.

    This was practiced in many places before the council.

    I'm happy you all seem to know more than the law of the Church, the Holy Family, and common Catholic practice.


    When you people pick numbers like 5 years, or 10 years, you are all just making this stuff up.

    The reason an older man with younger woman is ideal is because of human nature. The nature of the way people mature, and the way we interact with society around us.

    There are some women who don't like to hear this, because deep down they like to have a man they can manipulate. Face it ladies, it's the truth. As for the men who don't like to hear it, they are just panzys, who are afraid of women. IMHO.

    If some 14 year olds aren't ready for marriage, it's probably because they are watching too much TV or allowed in front of a computer. These things should be CONTRABAND for anyone younger than 14. They should be out doing the garden vegetables, and caring for the animals, as many families adimirably try to do. This is what makes a girl mature. Hard work.
    The average age for marriage in the Christian world hasn't dipped below 20 for centuries, and even during the Middle Ages it was almost always late teens or early 20s.

    Offline Nadir

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    Re: What's a reasonable age difference for a relatioship
    « Reply #78 on: May 19, 2018, 07:24:16 PM »
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  • 14-year-olds are still babies. .... I wouldn't trust 14-year-olds with metal silverware, much less marriage. A 14 year old girl marrying a man 10 years her senior would be babysitting with tax benefits and a legal certificate and in some cases, the Sacrament. The difference in maturity is simply too great and too peculiar.

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    Theosist: Marriage at such an age or younger has never been  "normal" practice in Christian Europe. The average age of marriage in the Middle Ages was pretty much everywhere at least 18 years, and it only increased with the centuries.


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    TomGubbinsKimmage: If some 14 year olds aren't ready for marriage, it's probably because they are watching too much TV or allowed in front of a computer. These things should be CONTRABAND for anyone younger than 14. They should be out doing the garden vegetables, and caring for the animals, as many families admirably try to do. This is what makes a girl mature. Hard work.

    I agree with you TGK. I am not recommending marriage for today's 14 year olds the majority of whom are quite unable to take on responsibilities for the reasons you suggest.
    To answer JdK and Theosist:


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    St Frances of Rome married at 12 to Lorenzo Ponziani
    St Rita married at 12 to Paolo Mancini
    St Brigid of Sweden at the age of 14 married Ulf Gudmarsson
    St Elizabeth of Hungary married at the age of 14, and widowed at 20.
    St Virginia Bracelli married at 15

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    Offline Last Tradhican

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    Re: What's a reasonable age difference for a relatioship
    « Reply #79 on: May 19, 2018, 07:24:46 PM »
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  • What's a reasonable age difference for a relationship?

    According to Jed Clampett  it's 1892. When they married, his grandmother was 18 and his grandfather was 92. That'll sound about right to me, if I make it to 92.
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    Re: What's a reasonable age difference for a relatioship
    « Reply #80 on: May 19, 2018, 07:54:44 PM »
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  • The Holy Family is the exception to the natural model, in which God created the man and woman both the same age of 30, the age of perfection.

    Spouses are meant to grow together in God's plan and marriage is a companionate relationship.

    The purpose of Marriage is the procreation of children. At the age of 30 women's fertility begins to decrease. Peak fertility is 22 years old. Men instinctively know this. It is a biological reality which is foolish to deny. And yes, the relationship between men and women is all about procreation.

    Where I am from which is a Catholic country (not Moslem or Mormon), traditionally, it used to be that a girl was ready for Marriage at age 15. Everyone knew this as a matter of fact. Therefore, their parents threw a "Quinceanera" party in order to introduce the girl to society and potential suitors. Part of the rite was that the father changed the girls flat shoes for little heels, as a symbol of the girl passing from childhood to womanhood.

    I am curious, where did you learn that Adam and Eve were 30 years old? Adam and Eve were created in a state of perfection; but after their epic fall, everything is different. Men and women definitely are, think, and age very differently.

    I do not know how old you are but I think when you are 40 years, your perception of things may change.
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    Offline Pax Vobis

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    Re: What's a reasonable age difference for a relatioship
    « Reply #81 on: May 19, 2018, 08:38:18 PM »
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  • It was said by Anne Catherine Emmerich or one of the other mystics that Adam was created at the perfect age, 33, which is the same age as when Christ died, symbolically redeeming Adams's sin.  

    I’ve never heard at what age Eve was created.  Logic says she would’ve been younger.  

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    Re: What's a reasonable age difference for a relatioship
    « Reply #82 on: May 19, 2018, 08:48:48 PM »
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  • Whatever vocation you decide to pursue Banezian, be counter-revolutionary and do not listen to the modern ultra-egalitarian world, otherwise you will end up like this, no doubt:



    This is the new "normal" for most people, men and women alike, until they die.

    Yep.  Tragically, this is my life in a nutshell now.


    Offline Cantarella

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    Re: What's a reasonable age difference for a relatioship
    « Reply #83 on: May 19, 2018, 08:58:48 PM »
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  • It was said by Anne Catherine Emmerich or one of the other mystics that Adam was created at the perfect age, 33, which is the same age as when Christ died, symbolically redeeming Adams's sin.  

    I’ve never heard at what age Eve was created.  Logic says she would’ve been younger.  

    For a man, 33 does seem to be the perfect age.

    For a woman, I think the age of Our Lady Mary is the ideal. About 15 years old. She is the most perfect woman ever created. There is a reason why God chose Mary at that age, and not a 33 year old woman.

    And I don't think Blessed Mary ever grew old (aging being a punishment for Original Sin)
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

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    Re: What's a reasonable age difference for a relatioship
    « Reply #84 on: May 19, 2018, 09:03:38 PM »
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  • Yep.  Tragically, this is my life in a nutshell now.

    Hey, at least you have a wife and children who love you and look up to you  ;)
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

    Offline Mithrandylan

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    Re: What's a reasonable age difference for a relatioship
    « Reply #85 on: May 19, 2018, 10:21:05 PM »
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  • Canon law saws 14 is the age for marriage.
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    No it doesn't.  It says that marriages are invalid if the girl is younger than fourteen or the boy younger than sixteen, and that pastors should dissuade young people from marrying at ages younger than is customary in their country (C. 1067).  
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    You can file this away under "ironic."
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).


    Offline TomGubbinsKimmage

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    Re: What's a reasonable age difference for a relatioship
    « Reply #86 on: May 20, 2018, 06:41:39 AM »
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    No it doesn't.  It says that marriages are invalid if the girl is younger than fourteen or the boy younger than sixteen, and that pastors should dissuade young people from marrying at ages younger than is customary in their country (C. 1067). 
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    You can file this away under "ironic."

    did you read your own post before posting?
    I think you must suffer from some kind of mental retardation then if you did.

    Because you didn't contradict me.

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    Re: What's a reasonable age difference for a relatioship
    « Reply #87 on: May 20, 2018, 06:43:45 AM »
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  • Aww, the man who believes that the Earth is flat is attempting to think abstractly, ain't it cute? It's like watching a dolphin try to read.

    14 year olds are not ready for marriage in any way. Marriage is for life. Not six months because the 80-pound 9th grade girl bled to death carrying a 30-year-old man's baby.

    thanks for charity.

    Our Lord will remind you of it at your judgment.


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    Re: What's a reasonable age difference for a relatioship
    « Reply #88 on: May 20, 2018, 06:46:42 AM »
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  • Marriage at such an age or younger has never been  "normal" practice in Christian Europe. The average age of marriage in the Middle Ages was pretty much everywhere at least 18 years, and it only increased with the centuries.

    Yes, the minimum legal age for marriage in England was set at 12 during these times. To think that this means older men were going around consummating marriages with girls is absurd and reveals an ignorance of social history; Shakespeare making Juliet 14 scandalised Elizabethans.

    And how could it have been normal? Girls are not made to bear babies in their wombs. Pregnancy is a risk to their health and is likely to leave them with permanent physical damage, and children born to immature mothers are consistently disadvantaged in every area of life. And the people fo the day knew this!

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12290458

    Obstetric fistula is one of the most severe childbirth-related complications. The small size and physical weakness of many young pregnant girls makes it extremely difficult for them to give birth to a child. Delivery is therefore often prolonged. During childbirth, girls' perineum often tears, leaving holes between the bladder and/or the rectum and the vagina. The young mothers from then on lose control over their bladder and bowels, are unable to bear more children, and find sɛҳuąƖ intercourse painful. Such fistula are common in Somalia, Ethiopia, most Sahelian countries, Zambia, and Zimbabwe, but particularly so in Niger. 23,000 girls and women in Niger have the condition, or 1% of all women of child-bearing age.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5112350/

    The effect of low maternal age on child height restriction from 0 to 11 months occurred in half the countries studied after adjusting for confounders. Poorer growth continuing after 24 months in children of younger mothers was observed in all regions, but needs further research to determine the causes. The effects were about double (in stunting prevalence terms) in Africa, where there was an increase in 10 ppts in stunting for children of young mothers.

    etc.

    People like you are living with your minds in a fantasy land.

    It was totally socially acceptable for 14 and 15 year olds to get married. And still is in many parts of the world.

    your argument about health reminds me of those that pro abortion people make.....

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    Re: What's a reasonable age difference for a relatioship
    « Reply #89 on: May 20, 2018, 06:48:25 AM »
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  • The Holy Family is the spiritual ideal for marriage that we are all supposed to imitate.

    The Holy Family is the exception to the natural model, in which God created the man and woman both the same age of 30, the age of perfection.

    Spouses are meant to grow together in God's plan and marriage is a companionate relationship.

    Marriage is NOT a father-daughter relationship.

    Thats your [false] interpretation. That has not been the interpretation of Catholics for many hundreds of years.