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Offline Incredulous

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Re: What's a reasonable age difference for a relatioship
« Reply #15 on: May 14, 2018, 07:02:37 AM »
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  • I think for Marriage, 10 - 15 years or so difference is ideal, the man being older, considering the biological differences between the sexes. I have met couples where the man is even 20 years older and they work fine.

    I think for women the ideal age for Marriage is 18 - 22 years old.

    Wow...I like Cantarella's outlook!   :farmer:

    Some may say it is "Old school", but old school is good.

    Without knowing it, she just demonstrated her authentic trad-ladiness.

    When I see men marrying older women, I generally view it as a side-effect of the feminist epidemic.

    To use Matthew's terminology, the women are "marrying down".   Why is that? 

    Because usually, the older woman tries to maintain dominance in the relationship.  And of course, one of the two must be dominant.

    So in a sense, it goes against nature.

    Banezian, I think you're on the wrong track.   You're not ready for marriage, but when you are, think about "marrying down".

    Develop as a "traditional Catholic man" and don't be influenced by your generation's twisted logic.  You will be 100x more at peace.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    Re: What's a reasonable age difference for a relatioship
    « Reply #16 on: May 14, 2018, 07:27:57 AM »
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  • Im a 19 year old Traditional Catholic guy. Very mature for my age ( melancholic scholarly type) I'm thought about the priesthood, but a part of me does think God is calling me to marriage. One big problem is that the vast majority of Catholic women I know are either Feminists or NeoCons. There are very, very few seriously   Traditional women out there, so a guy can't be too picky. There are some girls I'm interested in who are a couple years older than I. What's a reasonable age gap?
    My oldest son married a woman one and a half years older than he is when they were 27 and 29.  He had finished university and put a few years into establishing his career at that point.  He is a software engineer, able to support his wife staying home to look after their children.

    We don't even think of her as older, since that age difference is insignificant by the late 20s.  I remember dating a boy who was one and half years younger than I was, back when I was nineteen.  That seemed like a big difference at the time.

    You probably don't need to rule out neo-cons. I have a 20 year old daughter who just finished her second year at a small Catholic college that is similar to what yours sounds like.  She is a neo-con (so is my husband, her father) but she says that she would attend Latin Mass if she married a trad.  I think it pretty likely that, under a trad husband's leadership, she would become more and more traditional herself.


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    Re: What's a reasonable age difference for a relatioship
    « Reply #17 on: May 14, 2018, 07:35:42 AM »
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  • And I disagree completely on a huge age gap, too.  Not more than 5 years.  Can you imagine a 30 year old man looking at a 15 year old for marriage?  Sends shivers down my spine just thinking about it.  Bleh...
    And yet the age difference between Saint Joseph and the Blessed Mother was even greater.  
    Not that I disagree with you Fanny, but I think societal norms play a big role in what is considered appropriate/ideal.
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)

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    Re: What's a reasonable age difference for a relatioship
    « Reply #18 on: May 14, 2018, 07:43:47 AM »
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  • Wow...I like Cantarella's outlook!   :farmer:

    Some may say it is "Old school", but old school is good.

    Without knowing it, she just demonstrated her authentic trad-ladiness.

    When I see men marrying older women, I generally view it as a side-effect of the feminist epidemic.

    To use Matthew's terminology, the women are "marrying down".   Why is that?  

    Because usually, the older woman tries to maintain dominance in the relationship.  And of course, one of the two must be dominant.

    So in a sense, it goes against nature.

    Banezian, I think you're on the wrong track.   You're not ready for marriage, but when you are, think about "marrying down".

    Develop as a "traditional Catholic man" and don't be influenced by your generation's twisted logic.  You will be 100x more at peace.
    A couple points
    1. I'm quite aware that I'm not ready for marriage. As I said, all of this is just a thought right now. My  studies are my main focus. ( Greek and Latin at the same time can be pretty tough)
    2. I see where you guys are coming from with this "marry down" idea. That being said, any woman I even considered would need to be seriously Traditional, and any Feminist tendencies I detect would put me off immediately. I'd sympathize  with this aproach a lot more if it were 1950 or before(  when finding a Traditional woman wouldn't have been as hard) Its 2018 though, and as I've said, options seem very, VERY limited. Piety and a knowledge of (and devotion to )the Faith) would be my main criteria 
    "For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast."
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    Re: What's a reasonable age difference for a relatioship
    « Reply #19 on: May 14, 2018, 08:09:33 AM »
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  • Yes Banezian, understand the scarcity of young trad ladies out there.

    Consider if you marry a younger gal, she may not be a trad, but may likely follow your lead in the true Faith.
    Bp. Williamson has lectured on this, where good women follow the lead of good men.
    (e.g. the tomato plant wrapping around the ground stake).

    But to meet your exact "trad lady" specifications, could require some innovation in your search.
    For example, I have a friend in his early 30's who is courting a 20 year old gal from South America. 

    My friend met her through a TLM priest and she's attending Mass at an SSPX chapel. 
    It turns out, in her country, single at 20 is an "old maid" status and she is eager to find a devout Catholic man.
    My friend too, hopes for many children, so we pray that it comes about.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    Re: What's a reasonable age difference for a relatioship
    « Reply #20 on: May 14, 2018, 08:16:09 AM »
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  • Yes Banezian, understand the scarcity of young trad ladies out there.

    Consider if you marry a younger gal, she may not be a trad, but may likely follow your lead in the true Faith.
    Bp. Williamson has lectured on this, where good women follow the lead of good men.
    (e.g. the tomato plant wrapping around the ground stake).

    But to meet your exact "trad lady" specifications, could require some innovation in your search.
    For example, I have a friend in his early 30's who is courting a 20 year old gal from South America.  

    My friend met her through a TLM priest and she's attending Mass at an SSPX chapel.  
    It turns out, in her country, single at 20 is an "old maid" status and she is eager to find a devout Catholic man.
    My friend too, hopes for many children, so we pray that it comes about.
    I don't know that I'd have the patience  to deal with a non-Trad. As I've said, I'm surrounded by NeoCons at my small Catholic college (who adore JPII) and it's killing me.  I know plenty of NeoCons who "love the Latin Mass" Loving or attending the Latin Mass doesn't mean much if one doesn't endorse pre-Vatican II principles.
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    Re: What's a reasonable age difference for a relatioship
    « Reply #21 on: May 14, 2018, 10:04:50 AM »
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  • .
    It is part of our Catholic challenge to evangelize them.

    You could be cast out of their ѕуηαgσgυє, but then....

    You could also find a Novus ordo gal with a good heart and show her the hidden beauties of of our Faith and Catholic tradition.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: What's a reasonable age difference for a relatioship
    « Reply #22 on: May 14, 2018, 10:11:12 AM »
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  • It is part of our Catholic challenge to evangelize them.

    You could be cast out of their ѕуηαgσgυє, but then....

    You could also find a Novus ordo gal with a good heart and show her the hidden beauties of of our Faith and Catholic tradition.
    Yes, they do exist. But be realistic: you are looking for a diamond in the rough. You have to be careful and objective -- try to keep your brain turned on. Once you get involved with someone, it's easy to dismiss all kinds of faults and warning signs. That's how infatuation works. And this goes even for Catholics practicing courtship (rather than "dating" and fornication).
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    Re: What's a reasonable age difference for a relatioship
    « Reply #23 on: May 14, 2018, 10:28:41 AM »
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  • I happen to be nearly 7 years older than my wife of 28 years and our future looks bright.  My mother happen to be nearly 7 years older than my father and they were married in 1944 until death parted them a few years ago.

    So I think 7 years is the ideal age difference.   :)

    However, unless the age difference is outwardly noticeable (which it isn't/wasn't in either case noted above), I don't think it's really an issue.

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    Re: What's a reasonable age difference for a relatioship
    « Reply #24 on: May 14, 2018, 10:40:49 AM »
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  • I don't know who created this formula but it's a good guideline: 

    ( [Your age] divided by 2 ) + 7 = lowest age limit you can date

    Example:
    25 yr old / 2 = 13 + 7 = youngest person you should date = 20
    20 yr old / 2 = 10 + 7 = 17
    30 / 2 = 15 + 7 = 22
    35 / 2 = 18 + 7 = 25
    40 / 2 = 20 + 7 = 27

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    Re: What's a reasonable age difference for a relatioship
    « Reply #25 on: May 14, 2018, 10:41:19 AM »
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  • The girls you met very well may be not mature to your liking, but that's how women are.  They're generally less mature than men; I'd wager that there's about a five year window where a man can be younger than a woman (speaking generally, of men and women "at random") and as or more mature than her.  That's part of being a husband, i.e., being a moral leader and setting an example of virtue and behavior to be emblemized by your family. 

    Keep in mind that people change.  I'm not saying that you shouldn't be sensitive to marrying someone who's immature, I'm saying that some discrepancy in maturity just comes with the territory-- the territory not so much of age, but of men and women.  The degree to which a girl is less mature than you is a degree to which she can improve.  You're going to marry someone and be with them for the rest of your life, so while you can of course only judge what is known (i.e., her personality now), you'll want to keep in mind her capacity to develop.  To that end, I'd say that a tendency toward wanting to be better (in any/everything) is more important than present maturity levels.  If you met a girl as mature as you who also thought she had everything figured out and didn't need any direction, that'd be a far inferior match than a girl who is less mature than you but who has a genuine passion and interest in improving herself.

    Maturity is highly influenced by environment, too.  If you find a girl your age who was raised in an environment where she had a lot of responsibilities-- say, she was an older sister, or grew up on a farm-- I think you'll find that those types of environments tend toward a more accelerated acquisition of maturity.

    And finally, don't confuse a high intellectual capacity and tendency for maturity.  You may actually be finding not that the girls you are meeting are too immature for you, but that they're just not as intellectually bent.  Remember that women are interested in people, men in things.  And that's good, because it provides a balance for the home life.  You're only "partners" in the loose sense of the word; really you'll be husband and wife, and you'll each have discrete and distinct duties that focus on cultivating different aspects of the home in order to make a "complete" healthy, Catholic environment for your children.  Don't turn down a wife because she isn't as "scholarly" or "intellectual" as you are. 
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).


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    Re: What's a reasonable age difference for a relatioship
    « Reply #26 on: May 14, 2018, 10:45:35 AM »
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  • Yes, they do exist. But be realistic: you are looking for a diamond in the rough. You have to be careful and objective -- try to keep your brain turned on. Once you get involved with someone, it's easy to dismiss all kinds of faults and warning signs. That's how infatuation works. And this goes even for Catholics practicing courtship (rather than "dating" and fornication).
    Well it's funny, I was a bit interested in one girl at the college who seemed Traditional. ( and nice enough) Same age as me. Liked the Latin Mass, and said she opposed Feminism. So I tied to just have friendly conversations and get to know her. Our first couple conversations went well, but when we started discussing the finer points of the Faith, everything went downhill. She emphatically argued that the SSPX( and all other groups like it) are not Catholic at all. She said those who attend SSPX parishes are not Catholic and  part of a different church. (meanwhile, she  attends the NO daily and  has no issues with Charismatic  NO Catholics) As a guy who attends a Society parish, you can imagine how that made me feel. She was also brainwashed with Americanism. According to her, all foreign wars America has gotten into are justifiable, CEO's do not have an obligation to pay their workers a just wage( she thinks Leo XIII is an idiot when it comes to economics) America was the product of centuries of Catholic thought, and George Washington was a Catholic!( im not making any of this up) The worst part was her attitude about all this. When I'd try to correct her( politely disagree) she would get very passionate/emotional, and yell at me.( she was pretty feminine, but boy did she argue like a man) Didn't listen to a thing I said. When I suggested some stuff to read, she dismissed my suggestion I immediately.( she loves Rush Limbaugh, Mark Levin, etc) Also a radical Zionist( thinks we need to bomb Iran for Israels sake) Needless tonsay, I felt very disrespected. 
    She's a nice person, and I'd say she does ultimately have a good heart. But she's absolutely brainwashed. I've learned my lesson. I CAN NOT deal with that at all.  I'm never approaching a female NeoCon again( not even as a friend) I've got some good male buddies who are NeoCons, but they're easy to deal with. 
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    Re: What's a reasonable age difference for a relatioship
    « Reply #27 on: May 14, 2018, 10:45:48 AM »
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  • I don't know that I'd have the patience  to deal with a non-Trad. As I've said, I'm surrounded by NeoCons at my small Catholic college (who adore JPII) and it's killing me.  I know plenty of NeoCons who "love the Latin Mass" Loving or attending the Latin Mass doesn't mean much if one doesn't endorse pre-Vatican II principles.
    Having made the journey from neo-con to trad myself, I suppose it seems more likely to me.  As you say, it is easy to find ones who love the traditional Mass.  After all, the TLM is more beautiful and reverent so people are naturally attracted.  It is not too challenging to get that sort of person to attend the TLM regularly.  Once they are doing that, the graces of the Mass will be working on the them.  I would expect that to have more effect than anything you might say.

    When you add the power of the Mass to a woman's natural inclination to follow her husband's lead, it seems like there is a very good chance that she would become more traditional over time.  But, as you say, it would require patience.  And you would need to find a woman who has not been too badly corrupted by feminism in order for her to respond to your lead as she should.  Matthew rightly warns you to be cautious.

    I also wanted to add that I agree with your thoughts on marriage helping to ground people with a tendency to be too abstract and intellectual.  I have the sort of personality and have found marriage very helpful in that way.  (I also agree with your comment about the difficulty of doing Latin and Greek at the same time. When teaching my children, I tried to give them a good start in Latin before introducing Greek.)

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    Re: What's a reasonable age difference for a relatioship
    « Reply #28 on: May 14, 2018, 10:50:20 AM »
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  • She's a nice person, and I'd say she does ultimately have a good heart. But she's absolutely brainwashed. I've learned my lesson. I CAN NOT deal with that at all.  I'm never approaching a female NeoCon again( not even as a friend) I've got some good male buddies who are NeoCons, but they're easy to deal with.
    You must be thankful that you found out the truth about her in time.  It sounds like a horrible experience.  And unfortunately, this sort of brainwashing is all too common.  But I am not sure that completely giving up on female neo-cons is necessary.  Just make sure to sound them out on these topics before getting emotionally invested.

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    Re: What's a reasonable age difference for a relatioship
    « Reply #29 on: May 14, 2018, 10:56:12 AM »
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    The worst part was her attitude about all this... When I'd try to correct her( politely disagree) she would get very passionate/emotional, and yell at me.(she was pretty feminine, but boy did she argue like a man)... Didn't listen to a thing I said....She's a nice person, and I'd say she does ultimately have a good heart. But she's absolutely brainwashed.
    She's a feminist and doesn't even know it. 
    Why did the previous generation of Fathers allow such attitudes from their daughters?  Shame, shame, shame.