Author Topic: Wearing a rosary? (Read 10480 times)

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #25 on:** June 12, 2012, 11:00:54 AM »

Quote from: Andrew

Yeah 2x's now I've pulled my rosary out of my pocket to find it broken,
I think a military style Rosary would be much better for this purpose,

Or possibly make one from knots, either way it's more functional if you intend on keeping it in your pocket.

Believe me, you're not alone with the broken rosary syndrome! It's such a bummer
to finally have the time and determination together to pray a rosary and then find
it's broken, sometimes with a bead or two missing.

Anyone who's thinking of making one of these single strand rosaries, should know that you can get beads with large holes, so using a thick cord, such as parachute cord, the beads can slide about 3/8" on the string, and that's how you keep track of your prayers without even having to hold the beads constantly. (Looks like the top pic, above) This works great if you're doing yard work or manual labor where your hands are constantly busy or else you're not productive.

Another method, for smaller hole beads, is you can run nylon string (durable) through in an "s" pattern, and leave some extra space. The holes go sideways, so the beads look like rungs of a ladder. You use two strings, and each string goes through each bead in opposing directions. The point of the two strings is, the beads stay put in on the strings and don't move when they're in your pocket. St. Therese of Lisieux made bead strands like that to keep track of her sacrifices all day long. I made strands like that for my children, and it helped them think about the practice of doing penance.

Capt McQuigg · « **Reply #26 on:** June 12, 2012, 01:25:00 PM »

Quote from: Nylndech

You don't need Rosary beads to pray the Rosary.

Do you pray rosary?

Me hope not Luminous mysteries.

Confession is held 30 minutes before Mass.

Sigismund · « **Reply #27 on:** June 12, 2012, 08:41:59 PM »

Quote from: Neil Obstat

Quote from: ascent
Wear a Brown Scapular. Have it imposed by a priest.

Although there is nothing objectively wrong with wearing a Rosary,,, Rosaries should be prayed, rather than worn; and like N said, you don't need beads to pray the Rosary.

A priest "invests" you (not imposes you) with a Brown Scapular. The word comes from the root word of "vestment," or garment, because the Scapular is Our Lady's garment.

Rosaries should be prayed rather than worn, yes. So if you find you pray it more regularly when you wear it, does that mean you shouldn't wear it and therefore pray it less, just to be scrupulous about not wearing it? What does that achieve?

As for "you don't need beads to pray the Rosary," that is a half truth. You can physically pray the Rosary without beads, but you won't get the indulgence!

The prayer of the Rosary receives the highest indulgences under the following conditions:

A) You are in the state of sanctifying grace when you pray your Rosary

B) You hold a BLESSED Rosary in your hands if you are able (if you are not able to hold it, then having the intention of holding it may suffice), and the rosary should be your own, personal rosary if possible because habitually borrowing a rosary shows that you do not assent to the commitment of personal involvement of the practice; if you are driving a car, for example, someone else can hold the rosary so it isn't a distraction for you while operating the vehicle, and you both get the same indulgence you would get if you held the rosary yourself.

C) You move your lips to the words, at a minimum, but preferably you actually voice the prayers out loud, and you DON'T RUSH the words, but speak them thoughtfully and precisely, not mumbled and slurred

D) You kneel, preferably before the Blessed Sacrament

E)You make a conscious effort to consistently keep your mind on the meditations of the mysteries and deliberately will to avoid any distractions, whatever they may be

F) When with one or more others, you recite the prayers antiphonally, that is, the person leading the Rosary only says the first half of each prayer (Our Father, Hail Mary, Glory Be -- but the rest can be prayed in unison) and the other person(s) says the second half, or response, of each prayer

G) You pray the entire introductory prayers, the 5 decades and the concluding prayers in one continuous session without interruption, if possible -- if you are interrupted beyond your control, then you attend to your duty as required, and return to the prayer of your Rosary at the first opportunity, so as to finish it within one day, if at all possible.

H) You have received from your priest permission to pray the Rosary daily as a condition of your Brown Scapular enrollment, in lieu of having to pray the Divine Office or the Little Office of the Blessed Virgin Mary every day.

I) You pray the Rosary with another person, or some number of others, in which case, each one of you receives the indulgence of the entire group; such that the number of people squared (times itself) is the number of Rosary indulgences of the whole group. One person alone receives one Rosary indulgence, but 2 people receive 2 indulgences each; 3 receive a total of 9 indulgences as a group, and 10 receive a grand total of 100 indulgences, and 100 people receive 10,000 Rosary indulgences as a group!

After all of that, the Rosary is the most highly indulgenced prayer in the Catholic Church, outside of Holy Mass, even if prayed alone. But without the beads in hand, or not kneeling, or not before the Blessed Sacrament, or not moving the lips, etc., you give up a lot of graces.

There is no indulgence for wearing a rosary. But if wearing it makes you more likely to pray it, or gives you the reminder you need to pray it, or keeps it at hand more readily so you can easily pray it, then wearing your rosary is better than not wearing it. But if you have been ordered under obedience to not wear your rosary, you gain virtue by being obedient to your legitimate superior.

Where do these regulations come from?

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #28 on:** June 14, 2012, 12:33:19 PM »

They're not "regulations." I made a quick list from memory based on my previous
reading of the Raccolta and several traditional (pre-Vatican II) Daily Missals.

The Rosary is the most heavily indulgenced prayer in the Church outside of Mass
and the Divine Office (of which Mass is a reflection, liturgically, but is higher in
indulgence and grace because it is a mystical and unbloody re-enactment of
Calvary, as well as a Sacrament, and the Office is neither of those).

Ask any traditional priest, but don't bother asking a new order priest because
they do not study indulgences in seminary, and it's not necessarily their fault
for being ignorant of the topic, any more that it's a medical doctor's fault for
being ignorant of nutrition, since they spend about one hour in medical school
on the subject, during which hour the professor usually makes crude jokes
about how stupid the study of nutrition is, if you can imagine that.

But I digress.

If you find an error in what I posted, please post your correction.

If you don't find an error, would you say so?

While it is true that indulgences should be renewed from time to time, and as I
recall, it's a matter of about 40 years or thereabouts, we are presently in a state
of EMERGENCY, which is the basis of the SSPX, independent priests, the
controversy of SUPPLIED JURISDICTION, and stuff like that. Therefore, the
renewal of indulgences can be said to have been on hold ever since the last
time they were renewed, and some of those may have been almost 100 years
ago, when the Raccolta was in wide use, for example.

It is our duty, as post-Modern Catholics, to pass on the traditions we have
received, since the Pope and most bishops have dropped the ball
(notwithstanding the well-intentioned claims of sedevacantists, to be sure).

EXAMPLE:

We have JPII introducing the "luminous mysteries" to the Rosary, and it is
easily criticized on the sole matter of the FACT that he gave the luminous
mysteries no indulgence whatsoever. Nor did he even mention the topic
of indulgence in any official capacity during the entire term of his 28 year office
or whatever obscene number of years it was. He had plenty of time, is
the point. But not a word on indulgences. Correct me if I'm wrong!

I know some trads who get all in a fluff and storm out when a group starts
praying the Luminous Mysteries. I don't do that. I simply meditate instead,
on one of the other 3, as the situation dictates. You see, no one can force
you to meditate on something they demand. That, by the grace of God, is
the one jurisdiction over which each one of us will always maintain sovereignty.
A group can be praying the Rosary having announced the luminous mysteries,
and any individual(s) in the group can choose to meditate on the Sorrowful
Mysteries instead, and no one in the group is the wiser.

But Our Lady knows, and God knows.

I don't know how that affects the indulgences that you would receive, for those
who are praying the luminous mysteries do not get the Rosary indulgences
that they would get if they meditated on the other 3 rosary groups of mysteries.
And therefore, while you do get indulgence for meditating on the Sorrowful
Mysteries at the same time, for example, you may not necessarily receive
any additional indulgence from the others' prayers in the group, as you would
if they had been praying the Sorrowful Mysteries, for example, since there
are no indulgences for the luminous mysteries.

So, to pass on the tradition that we have received, we are able to say that
we do not recommend the luminous mysteries, for the simple fact that we did
not receive the luminous mysteries from tradition, but rather from the mere
whims of a pope who was an ENEMY of tradition across the board. I don't need
to post the reasons, do I? And we have no precedent, as far as I know (do you?)
to say whether a pope who disdains tradition per se, did everything in
his power to REDEFINE what Tradition is (even while he abhorred the practice
of definition for its proper object and only practiced it in OPPOSITION to its
proper object) and acts in opposition to it, is able to change traditional practices
without adverse effects on the practices of the faithful or the very Faith itself.

For it is in the right practice of DEFINITION that the Pope is a good pope, and it
is with the proper intention of his invoking the Holy Ghost in his condemnation
of error that a good Pope "stands in the way" of the Antichrist and protects Holy
Mother Church from corruption from out of the pit of hell itself.

s2srea · « **Reply #29 on:** June 14, 2012, 09:12:38 PM »

Quote from: Capt McQuigg

Quote from: Nylndech
You don't need Rosary beads to pray the Rosary.

Do you pray rosary?

Me hope not Luminous mysteries.

Confession is held 30 minutes before Mass.

Its actually true; its not necessary, though the beads allow for the opportunity of gaining attached indulgences, when used to pray the rosary. A much holier and learned fellow put it better:

Quote from: Hobbledehoy

Remember, the indulgences mentioned in the 1950 typical edition of the Enchiridion Indulgentiarum (nos. 395-398) for the recitation of the Holy Rosary do not necessitate the actual use of the Rosary beads, as they are given for the Paters and Aves recited whilst meditating upon the sacred Mysteries. [HOWEVER] The use of the Rosaries blessed with the appropriate blessing found in the Roman Ritual have many, many, many, many indulgences attached to them: so many that the Raccolta does not enumerate them.

However, it is ever decorous and edifying (and spiritually safer) to have a Rosary with you, not only when saying the Rosary, but on your person wheresoever you go. It is always feasible to carry a small Rosary, or one linked with woven and sturdy string instead of metal chains that can break easily, in one's pocket, and have others for your vehicle, work (if you work at an office or some other stable locality), and some to give to others when the occasion arises (you never know).

The "however" is mine.