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Traditional Catholic Faith => Catholic Living in the Modern World => Topic started by: Matthew on June 24, 2025, 11:27:24 AM
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You know the old meme about Asians, "Why you not doctor yet?" and the kid is like 10 years old?
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It's "funny because it's true" because Asians often push their kids hard. They have high standards, and want their kids to succeed. They are big on education.
But now, we all have to act like Asians with regards to education and career preparation, just so our children can
A) move out of the house, into a humble trailer or apartment
B) get married
C) not starve to death
Pretty humble goals, right? But to achieve that, simply avoiding drugs, gangs, time wasting, fooling around with women and having a goal/going to college at 18 ISN'T ENOUGH ANYMORE. It's a good start, and it would have set you up for success in the 90's or early 00's, but not today!
Things are getting insane.
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You know the old meme about Asians, "Why you not doctor yet?" and the kid is like 10 years old?
https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=CtvlUZaz&id=DF1DA8F373AAA566D505C13D491EFD77C82AA184&thid=OIP.CtvlUZazegSw-36jSodgpwAAAA&mediaurl=https%3A%2F%2Fi.kym-cdn.com%2Fphotos%2Fimages%2Foriginal%2F000%2F232%2F168%2F3c5.jpg&cdnurl=https%3A%2F%2Fth.bing.com%2Fth%2Fid%2FR.0adbe55196b37a04b0fb7ea34a8760a7%3Frik%3DhKEqyHf9Hkk9wQ%26pid%3DImgRaw%26r%3D0&exph=308&expw=310&q=why+you+not+doctor+yet&simid=608015779378257903&form=IRPRST&ck=1CB23DBCD740D38227AFDCAD17D9F382&selectedindex=12&itb=0&cw=2374&ch=1085&ajaxhist=0&ajaxserp=0&pivotparams=insightsToken%3Dccid_qDC18OS3*cp_D5298FF966F20360FCFDEDCE59AB9DA0*mid_5D2186B5DCB245425C84A44DAE2F7D8BCD35C7B0*simid_608041600728377533*thid_OIP.qDC18OS3IvTlrZsCcZ99hwAAAA&vt=0&sim=11&iss=VSI&ajaxhist=0&ajaxserp=0
It's "funny because it's true" because Asians often push their kids hard. They have high standards, and want their kids to succeed. They are big on education.
But now, we all have to act like Asians with regards to education and career preparation, just so our children can
A) move out of the house, into a humble trailer or apartment
B) get married
C) not starve to death
Pretty humble goals, right? But to achieve that, simply avoiding drugs, gangs, time wasting, fooling around with women and having a goal/going to college at 18 ISN'T ENOUGH ANYMORE. It's a good start, and it would have set you up for success in the 90's or early 00's, but not today!
Things are getting insane.
Asian children are often very unhappy due to the pressure they receive from their parents. Many of them as a result do things behind their parents back.
Helping your children start a career early is a good thing but asian parents go too far and often lack the love and empathy needed to properly support their children.
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Asian children are often very unhappy due to the pressure they receive from their parents. Many of them as a result do things behind their parents back.
Helping your children start a career early is a good thing but asian parents go too far and often lack the love and empathy needed to properly support their children.
This^^^^
And seems like most families these days lack love and empathy.
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I believe it is termed "Asian Values". There are many positive aspects. Millennia of meditation (Ru) based theology including Confucian benevolence (Ren) created educational environments with intense concentration, respect, and filial piety.
However, it is not invincible. The Cultural Revolution and Open Door Policy in China which turned the Cultural Treasury of Asia into a Factory, and creeping liberal currents have been undermining factors. Whether Asian Values will survive or erode is another question.
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The point is that what USED to be termed "ambitious" or "over-achiever" is now necessary just to survive.
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The point is that what USED to be termed "ambitious" or "over-achiever" is now necessary just to survive.
And capitalism which creates ruthless competition can overheat and explode... nature finds a happy balance even if a forest fire is required. There is enough negativity out there to probably create this soon enough...
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Remember that Asians have the highest ѕυιcιdє rate in the world. Barring that final solution, you’ve heard of “lying flat” or becoming Hikikomori?
Maybe we should reconsider the multigenerational household of the past. Build on an apartment or like the Amish, the “großdawdy house.”
That’s not the same as the 45 y.o. incel in the basement eating Cheetos and playing video games.
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Remember that Asians have the highest ѕυιcιdє rate in the world. Barring that final solution, you’ve heard of “lying flat” or becoming Hikikomori?
Maybe we should reconsider the multigenerational household of the past. Build on an apartment or like the Amish, the “großdawdy house.”
That’s not the same as the 45 y.o. incel in the basement eating Cheetos and playing video games.
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Remember that Asians have the highest ѕυιcιdє rate in the world. Barring that final solution, you’ve heard of “lying flat” or becoming Hikikomori?
Maybe we should reconsider the multigenerational household of the past. Build on an apartment or like the Amish, the “großdawdy house.”
That’s not the same as the 45 y.o. incel in the basement eating Cheetos and playing video games.
Around the corner from us there's a lot that's about 1/2 an acre. On it there is an older brick home, a newer mobile home, and an RV that's clearly being lived in. To me it represents the way things are moving -- parents had the brick home, older grown child couldn't afford their own house, but managed to move a mobile home onto the property, and now the latest adult can only afford an RV parked next to mom & dad. At this rate my kids will be establishing themselves in a tent city in our back yard.
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Around the corner from us there's a lot that's about 1/2 an acre. On it there is an older brick home, a newer mobile home, and an RV that's clearly being lived in. To me it represents the way things are moving -- parents had the brick home, older grown child couldn't afford their own house, but managed to move a mobile home onto the property, and now the latest adult can only afford an RV parked next to mom & dad. At this rate my kids will be establishing themselves in a tent city in our back yard.
Can your home be built onto, another wing or floor? How about another smaller house. Your kids move in as newlyweds, start their family, and at a certain point, you swap. You and Matthew and maybe one older or teen child move into the small house and the expanding family moves into the larger home? In many cultures, this is very normal. Some of the boys buy property nearby and the family stays not dependent, not totally independent, but interdependent.
Kicking your kids out at 18, sink or swim, everyone scattering hundreds or thousands of miles apart is not customary for the majority of humanity. God had to tell Abram to take his wife Sarai and all his household and worldly goods to pack up and leave. Otherwise, he’d have stayed in Ur of the Chaldeans. Moving away from all your family is a modern phenomenon.
What about the girls? Should women be shown the door at 18? 21? Not until they’re married or join the convent? What if they do neither?
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Remember that Asians have the highest ѕυιcιdє rate in the world. Barring that final solution, you’ve heard of “lying flat” or becoming Hikikomori?
Maybe we should reconsider the multigenerational household of the past. Build on an apartment or like the Amish, the “großdawdy house.”
That’s not the same as the 45 y.o. incel in the basement eating Cheetos and playing video games.
Why was this comment 👎🏼?
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The point is that what USED to be termed "ambitious" or "over-achiever" is now necessary just to survive.
With the current state of things, at what age do you expect a male to be financially established in his own house without a mortgage and ready to provide for a family assuming he stayed at home while building himself?
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The standard of success set by the godless materialists that is becoming unachievable except for them and their clique. They look after each other, celebrate their successes, and rub others noses in it.
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Remember that Asians have the highest ѕυιcιdє rate in the world. Barring that final solution, you’ve heard of “lying flat” or becoming Hikikomori?
Maybe we should reconsider the multigenerational household of the past. Build on an apartment or like the Amish, the “großdawdy house.”
That’s not the same as the 45 y.o. incel in the basement eating Cheetos and playing video games.
It's because of their culture where no matter how hard you work you just can't compete. Most of the large scale conglomerates hire through nepotism, and if you don't get into a top University you have no chance of being hired by those companies, regardless of how smart you may be. It's not just about the better pay but the status. The Asians are extremely vain on status compared to others. Which is why the enemy did not want them becoming Catholics, because they would have taken that extremely pressure for status and applied it to the kingdom of heaven.
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God had to tell Abram to take his wife Sarai and all his household and worldly goods to pack up and leave. Otherwise, he’d have stayed in Ur of the Chaldeans. Moving away from all your family is a modern phenomenon.
What about the girls? Should women be shown the door at 18? 21? Not until they’re married or join the convent? What if they do neither?
This is correct. Nations started as PATRIARCHIES, (hence the Jєωιѕн propaganda of feminism against men "the patriarchy"). After all Adam being the head of humanity is a male. When groups of families led by men join together you get small scale nations etc. I don't think I need to explain this since I think it's self explanatory. They make rules and agreements and bind themselves to those rules in return for things like supporting each other, food and trade, marriages etc.
Frankly when the economy gets bad it's the men who marry later not the women. Hence why Aristotle mentioned the ideal age for woman being 18 for marriage while for men it was 37. Because the male is expected to provide, the woman can just marry an older man, she doesn't need to wait to get older. Put it this way, what difference is there between a woman at 25 marrying a 35 yr old man or a woman at 18 marrying a 35 yr old man? In both cases the man is 35. Unless the woman is also working what is she waiting for? Maybe she is more comfortable with a smaller age gap? But that could be due to modern propaganda, also marriage requires self sacrifice.
So in my opinion, the economy being bad doesn't effect the woman's marriage age unless she also wants to be educated and work (female education is the #1 reason for delaying marriage).
Girls never leave the household of their father unless they become religious or married. It was scandalous otherwise.
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The standard of success set by the godless materialists that is becoming unachievable except for them and their clique. They look after each other, celebrate their successes, and rub others noses in it.
Yes they are purposely destroying us with immigration, property tax, high income taxation, housing Ponzi and other tricks.
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Catholic men will never rebuild society unless they marry and have children. Quite a conundrum since so many don't want to marry.
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This is correct. Nations started as PATRIARCHIES, (hence the Jєωιѕн propaganda of feminism against men "the patriarchy"). After all Adam being the head of humanity is a male. When groups of families led by men join together you get small scale nations etc. I don't think I need to explain this since I think it's self explanatory. They make rules and agreements and bind themselves to those rules in return for things like supporting each other, food and trade, marriages etc.
Frankly when the economy gets bad it's the men who marry later not the women. Hence why Aristotle mentioned the ideal age for woman being 18 for marriage while for men it was 37. Because the male is expected to provide, the woman can just marry an older man, she doesn't need to wait to get older. Put it this way, what difference is there between a woman at 25 marrying a 35 yr old man or a woman at 18 marrying a 35 yr old man? In both cases the man is 35. Unless the woman is also working what is she waiting for? Maybe she is more comfortable with a smaller age gap? But that could be due to modern propaganda, also marriage requires self sacrifice.
So in my opinion, the economy being bad doesn't effect the woman's marriage age unless she also wants to be educated and work (female education is the #1 reason for delaying marriage).
Girls never leave the household of their father unless they become religious or married. It was scandalous otherwise.
Oh and forgot to mention. The 18/37 gap is produces more healthy offspring than the 25/37 gap since the woman's prime fertility will offset the males lowered fertility. In terms of health for offering the ideal would be 18/21 but we don't live in the kind of society that allows men to mature and provide so early.
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Catholic men will never rebuild society unless they marry and have children. Quite a conundrum since so many don't want to marry.
I would like to marry (when I can provide lol), I just hope I don't get rejected by the ladies I'm interested in. :jester:
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Can your home be built onto, another wing or floor? How about another smaller house. Your kids move in as newlyweds, start their family, and at a certain point, you swap. You and Matthew and maybe one older or teen child move into the small house and the expanding family moves into the larger home? In many cultures, this is very normal. Some of the boys buy property nearby and the family stays not dependent, not totally independent, but interdependent.
Kicking your kids out at 18, sink or swim, everyone scattering hundreds or thousands of miles apart is not customary for the majority of humanity. God had to tell Abram to take his wife Sarai and all his household and worldly goods to pack up and leave. Otherwise, he’d have stayed in Ur of the Chaldeans. Moving away from all your family is a modern phenomenon.
What about the girls? Should women be shown the door at 18? 21? Not until they’re married or join the convent? What if they do neither?
That's a bit of a different conversation. It's quite normal around here to have extended families living close and supporting one another, especially in Hispanic families, but the norm has historically been that each married couple would build a house close to or on the family property, or at least add a trailer house. That staying together pattern is still the same, but instead of a house, they get to live in an RV as it's all they can afford. The number of RVs being set up as permanent dwellings around here is alarming.
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If an RV is all you can afford, why not do it? It beats sleeping in a tent, going to a homeless shelter, sleeping in the subway, or on the ground on a piece of cardboard.
Yes, the problem IS getting worse. Homelessness is not just for drunks, drug addicts, and the lazy anymore. It’s not confined mainly to illegals, either, although that has certainly contributed to the problem. People are getting deported and new arrivals are significantly reduced in number, but it has made only the tiniest dent. No way will Trump ever be able to catch and deport all the people Biden’s administration allowed in.
Among the new homeless are seniors, many of whom have worked their entire lives, the disabled who cannot work, older people who’d like to work but can’t find jobs due to age, entire families, some with with two parents, more single women with kids, and the mentally ill. I find it particularly disturbing when I see US Veterans and those who are unwell.
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Catholic men will never rebuild society unless they marry and have children. Quite a conundrum since so many don't want to marry.
What do you think Priests are doing?
By this logic they wouldn’t be effective since they aren’t married.
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The problem is Asians/Indians aren't adapting and they don't see the benefit in other careers like trades. Those STEM programs are oversaturated and those kids are going to have a harder time finding jobs. And they have to compete with international students.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Bich_Pan
This was a story that happened about a woman with Asian immigrant parents that pushed her to lie on her report cards and her whereabouts. I don't agree with her trying to kill them. But many Asian parents (especially immigrants) push their kids to hate them and lie about their marks.
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Catholic men will never rebuild society unless they marry and have children. Quite a conundrum since so many don't want to marry.
Most Catholic laymen don't want to get married?
Def some that don't, but that's NOT a majority.
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The problem is Asians/Indians aren't adapting and they don't see the benefit in other careers like trades. Those STEM programs are oversaturated and those kids are going to have a harder time finding jobs. And they have to compete with international students.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Bich_Pan
This was a story that happened about a woman with Asian immigrant parents that pushed her to lie on her report cards and her whereabouts. I don't agree with her trying to kill them. But many Asian parents (especially immigrants) push their kids to hate them and lie about their marks.
Status extremism does this. "You must fit in the mold and meet all the standards".
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Broadly speaking, native Asian cultures seem to lack transcendent values, such that what one accomplishes in this world is "all there is", and worldly success and fortune are paramount.
We as Catholics and Christians know that a person can be, in worldly terms, an utter failure, and die that way, yet if we die in holiness in spite of our temporal shortcomings, we have gained everything worth having. I'm not sure that Asian cultures have a concept of that.
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Broadly speaking, native Asian cultures seem to lack transcendent values, such that what one accomplishes in this world is "all there is", and worldly success and fortune are paramount.
We as Catholics and Christians know that a person can be, in worldly terms, an utter failure, and die that way, yet if we die in holiness in spite of our temporal shortcomings, we have gained everything worth having. I'm not sure that Asian cultures have a concept of that.
Good point. Material success in the world is much important to Asians whose pagan religions keep them from having transcendent values.
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Broadly speaking, native Asian cultures seem to lack transcendent values, such that what one accomplishes in this world is "all there is", and worldly success and fortune are paramount.
We as Catholics and Christians know that a person can be, in worldly terms, an utter failure, and die that way, yet if we die in holiness in spite of our temporal shortcomings, we have gained everything worth having. I'm not sure that Asian cultures have a concept of that.
This is actually ancient. Confucius already proposed a morality without Heaven or Hell.