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Offline AnthonyPadua

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Re: Women regretting college
« Reply #150 on: Today at 12:06:23 AM »
Just because someone disagrees with a Saint on something does not make them a modernist. Saints are not infallible. Saints disagree with other saints, saints have even said things that have contradicted Catholic teaching e.g St Augustine said limbo was a pelagian heresy before the church condemned that proposition.

Some of you have too much human respect and it blinds you, which is why many of you cannot fathom the idea that Saints can be wrong despite being provided with evidence from Popes and councils cough BoD BoB cough.
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Re: Women regretting college
« Reply #151 on: Today at 12:08:11 AM »
Quote from: Lazarus on Yesterday at 12:33:34 PM
Not only did Adam disobey God, but he also was also guilty of dereliction of his duties, because he didn't do his job as the head of the house and was influenced by his wife.

Therefore, from a moral point of view, Adam's sin is far worse than Eve's. He sinned twice.

Genesis 3:12 :

And Adam said: The woman, whom thou gavest me to be my companion, gave me of the tree, and I did eat.

He tried to blame Eve for his own sins, which is absolute nonsense, because what kind of pathetic man would obey his wife? 
Adam was also superior to Eve as he was a male and hence had greater intelligence and reason. I am not taking a side here but both sins in different ways. However Criox has never publicly repented from his heresy that original sin came from woman and not man. 
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Offline TomGubbinsKimmage

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« Reply #152 on: Today at 02:42:35 AM »
Quote from: Lazarus on Yesterday at 05:47:43 PM
Yes, I am at odds with him on this matter.

Considering that this isn't dogma but a minor theological point, it doesn't matter if I agree with him or not on this matter.

Do you think Catholics need to be clones of each other to be Catholics?
Except that this is not some kind of subtle moral school debate. 

This is based off very simple and obvious reasoning.

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Offline TomGubbinsKimmage

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« Reply #153 on: Today at 02:43:15 AM »
Quote from: Gray2023 on Yesterday at 06:30:40 PM
Most women on this forum know how they are supposed to be.  So when we keep bringing up who sin was worse Adam or Eve we are trying to solve an unsolvable question.  Adam betrayed all men.  Eve betrayed all women.  The demons would rather us get stuck in these weeds on this topic then spread truth and talk to people and convert them.

And the natural order reigns supreme correct?

This natural order is men lead and women follow (to make it simple).

So by simple logic a man following a woman is sinning greatly.

If a worker does something they are not supposed to do, but a manager doesn't reprimand them and joins in, both will be punished, but who holds the greater responsibility in the business, the manager, or the subservient?

Nobody is saying that Adams sin is venial
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Offline TomGubbinsKimmage

Re: Women regretting college
« Reply #154 on: Today at 02:46:05 AM »
Quote from: Lazarus on Yesterday at 10:31:17 PM
1)It is true that disregard for St Thomas's teachings are often a sign of modernism.

2)However, my disagreement isn't based on any disrespect on my part, but because I have enough reasons to believe that on this instance, he might be wrong.

Edit : It's not because of a logical mistake he made , but it's because in the context of our conversation "worse" has a different meaning.

If you actually read St Thomas's words, he said that according to the species of sin, Eve's sin was greater than Adam's, but according to the circuŠ¼stances, Adam's sin was greater than Eve's. That is what St Augustine wrote and St Thomas concedes the point.

Then, because species are more important than circuŠ¼stances, he argues that in the end Eve's sin is greater.

However, original sin is inherited from Adam and not from Eve.

St Paul in Romans 5:12 said :

"Per unum hominem peccatum in hunc mundum intravit"

Adam, by sinning, caused all of humanity to fall. Even if Eve's sin was objectively worse from an individual analysis, the consequences are less severe than Adam's. Because Adam is the head of all humanity, his fall doesn't only affect him but all of us too. 

If a queen sins by adultery as an example, but there are no consequences aside from the scandal, it is not the same thing as a king sinning through being unjust and causing his whole kingdom to collapse into anarchy.


Yes Adam's sin was greater in a sense that he was the head.

Had he resisted, God could have smitten Eve, and made him a new wife. From the other rib.
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