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Offline Cryptinox

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Ways to get internet without a provider?
« on: December 22, 2021, 11:23:17 PM »
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  • I am curious about how to get internet without paying some provider. I have thought about paying my neighbor when I move out but I am curious if it is possible to build your own device or buy some device to help you get internet access.
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    Re: Ways to get internet without a provider?
    « Reply #1 on: December 23, 2021, 06:04:25 AM »
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  • Pretty hard to do. No one gives it out free, unless you live next to a Starbucks or something.

    Unless your neighbor has unencrypted Wifi, I don't know how you're going to get "free" Internet.
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    Offline TKGS

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    Re: Ways to get internet without a provider?
    « Reply #2 on: December 23, 2021, 07:09:43 AM »
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  • If you "receive" something, someone has to "provide" it.  

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    Re: Ways to get internet without a provider?
    « Reply #3 on: December 23, 2021, 12:03:57 PM »
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  • When I first saw this post a scripture came to mind (reply #2 was in this context also)... "the labourer is worthy of his hire" (St. Luke 10:7). In First Timothy 5:18 we read "For the scripture saith: Thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn: and, The labourer is worthy of his reward".  I am also thinking the verse may be found in the Book of Proverbs but I don't have time to search that out.

    In order to get an internet signal to a local router or a port on your computer (whether by DSL phone line, fiber optics cable, or satellite ... though to mention the latter may be politically incorrect here as apparently some do not believe in satellites), someone or several have had to invest their capital for equipment and their labor for the manufacture and installation.

    Public libraries and school libraries offer no fee internet, paid for by the tax structure that supports them.  Libraries usually offer a comfortable research and study environment, sometimes one can even reserve a private study room.  The disadvantage is that one is limited to the hours they are open.  At the rural library branch near where I live (only open 15 hours a week) people will come and sit in their cars to access the free signal on their laptops or phones when the library isn't open. 

    internet cafes and some coffee shops offer free internet, though usually with the expectation that you will buy some food or beverage item.  Again, one is limited to their open hours, and the environment may not be as calm and quiet as a library's.

    Some apartment complexes may offer "free" wi-fi in their amenities package.  It's not really "free" of course, its included in the rent, but may be a lesser cost option than paying for a separate internet service.  A potential disadvantage may be that unless the building owner put in a system with adequate capacity it may be very slow in the evening when everybody in the building signs on, especially if they are streaming movies.

    You mentioned "paying the neighbor", and this could be a good option if you get along well.  Offer to pay a portion of their internet cost and they will share their user ID and password with you.  You both save money.

    An option that I have used in the past when I needed to be frugal:    A few years ago I didn't want to pay for an in home cable internet connection (it would have been $50 - $60 a month plus connection fee, router lease, taxes, and etc., etc., etc.)  I organized myself to do most of my internet activities (sending e-mail, downloads, research) at the library when it was open.  Routine functions such as checking e-mail I could do on my mobile phone.  I don't like to type on my phone so e-mail replies (or forum posts) would be saved for my next trip to the library.  Another advantage was that the library was always warm and cozy during the winter so when I went there I could turn the apartment thermostat WAY down and save money on heating.

    Unless one has the most basic / cheapest cell phone plan, most plans will have a mobile hotspot feature where the phone's data signal can be shared with a computer via usb cable or bluetooth.  There may be limits or extra costs.  I found at the time that by primarily using the library to access the internet with my laptop (most libraries also have computers one can use), using my mobile phone for simple routine functions, and using the phone's mobile hotspot feature when necessary (and only then), I saved a bunch of money.

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    Re: Ways to get internet without a provider?
    « Reply #4 on: December 23, 2021, 03:24:22 PM »
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  • In order to get an internet signal to a local router or a port on your computer (whether by DSL phone line, fiber optics cable, or satellite ... though to mention the latter may be politically incorrect here as apparently some do not believe in satellites), someone or several have had to invest their capital for equipment and their labor for the manufacture and installation.
    :laugh1:

    What should all those hundreds of thousands of people who recieve and are reliant on satellite internet say?


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    Re: Ways to get internet without a provider?
    « Reply #5 on: December 23, 2021, 04:43:42 PM »
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  • :laugh1:

    What should all those hundreds of thousands of people who recieve and are reliant on satellite internet say?
    Two summers ago I saw a group of Star Link satellites two or three weeks after launch. There were about 30 of them in a line heading from the west to the east, they seemed a bit low compared to other satellites, and they were moving very fast. We were at a bonfire and saw them and someone told us what it was.

    On a clear night I can see satellites easily with my nvg. I don't really understand how a person can deny they exist.
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    Re: Ways to get internet without a provider?
    « Reply #6 on: December 23, 2021, 06:54:27 PM »
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  • Years ago, it was easy to set a laptop to browse for an unsecured connection, but now the only free connections are in coffee shops and like that, to draw customs. 'Free internet' for which you have to register is a scam and annoys customers who otherwise can be drinking high profit coffee and other drinks.

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    Re: Ways to get internet without a provider?
    « Reply #7 on: December 23, 2021, 08:13:33 PM »
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  • Unfortunately you need a password and unfortunately that password is no longer "password" "linksys" or "belkin".
    So no Cryptinox, no "Free" as in free beer internet these days unless you live near Starbucks or have a charitable neighbor.

    Two summers ago I saw a group of Star Link satellites two or three weeks after launch. There were about 30 of them in a line heading from the west to the east, they seemed a bit low compared to other satellites, and they were moving very fast. We were at a bonfire and saw them and someone told us what it was.

    On a clear night I can see satellites easily with my nvg. I don't really understand how a person can deny they exist.

    Most of my posts are made from StarLink, it's fantastic. The near uniform latency is actually a good RE argument, you can predict where someone lives based on their latency. My problem with FE is no one has been able to give me a model and do ping tests with me so I can test RE vs FE models and see what is represented in StarLink results. There are other radio experiments that could potentially prove or disprove FE/RE on their own as well but nobody on the site wants to do tests other than REers and I'm not as interested in that as working with FEers directly on the project.
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    Re: Ways to get internet without a provider?
    « Reply #8 on: December 23, 2021, 10:21:00 PM »
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  • Bodeens,

    Just do the tests with the round earther's and post the results. Then the flat earther's can verify the experiment among themselves in their own time, thus satisfying both science and zeteticism.

    I've thought of another easy way to try and settle the flat earth question. In the resistance, we have well educated, well traveled priests. Anyone can approach them and say, "Father, you've been to many places around the globe: Did you notice any unusual changes in day light hours over the course of the year in such and such an equatorial country?, How about cities in the Southern Hemisphere? Was it just like the corresponding latitudes up here?"

    If the Sun is going in circles around the North Pole on a flat plane, there should be much more extreme changes in Daylight hours and the solar arc over the course of the year the further you go into the Southern Hemisphere. Having seasonal changes in those southern places that mirror those in the North would make the case for the standard geocentric model. If you can't rely on the testimony of your pastors, who can you believe?

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    Re: Ways to get internet without a provider?
    « Reply #9 on: December 24, 2021, 03:17:28 AM »
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  • Bodeens,

    Just do the tests with the round earther's and post the results. Then the flat earther's can verify the experiment among themselves in their own time, thus satisfying both science and zeteticism.

    I've thought of another easy way to try and settle the flat earth question. In the resistance, we have well educated, well traveled priests. Anyone can approach them and say, "Father, you've been to many places around the globe: Did you notice any unusual changes in day light hours over the course of the year in such and such an equatorial country?, How about cities in the Southern Hemisphere? Was it just like the corresponding latitudes up here?"

    If the Sun is going in circles around the North Pole on a flat plane, there should be much more extreme changes in Daylight hours and the solar arc over the course of the year the further you go into the Southern Hemisphere. Having seasonal changes in those southern places that mirror those in the North would make the case for the standard geocentric model. If you can't rely on the testimony of your pastors, who can you believe?
    We're doing a test this Sunday for that very reason in another thread. The problem is if I don't involve both sides of the debate people can cry foul or that I falsified data. I just want everything 100% transparent and honest so both sides must accept results. This Sunday's test only REers signed up too :/ If this test leans FE I hope that other REers are willing to accept the results vice versa.
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    Re: Ways to get internet without a provider?
    « Reply #10 on: December 24, 2021, 11:24:54 AM »
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  • Years ago, it was easy to set a laptop to browse for an unsecured connection, but now the only free connections are in coffee shops and like that, to draw customs. 'Free internet' for which you have to register is a scam and annoys customers who otherwise can be drinking high profit coffee and other drinks.
    Yes, that’s the only thing I thought of was internet via a fast food restaurant or coffee shop, library, or sometimes retail stores that sell technology will have internet. Drive around the outside and see if you can pick up a usable signal. Keep in mind this is PUBLIC internet, as in, unprotected. Also realize the business has every right to chase you away if you’re not actually a customer.  Go in and buy the cheapest item to keep at your table, or bring it to your vehicle. Put it on the dashboard where it can be seen. 
    Finding unprotected WiFi from a private residence may have been a thing, like 10 years ago, but people wised up!  Besides, to help yourself to a service someone else is paying for, using it without permission or knowledge, that’s stealing!  It’s like tapping into your neighbor’s electric, gas, cable, or landline phone, or piping your sewage into his private cesspool!


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    Re: Ways to get internet without a provider?
    « Reply #11 on: December 24, 2021, 04:01:17 PM »
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  • This isn't possible to do unless you have a deal of some sort with a dark fiber provider. You'd have to buy a lot of expensive routers and switches to make this happen, set up BGP, amongst other protocols, etc. If you're not a network engineer, don't even bother pursuing this. 

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    Re: Ways to get internet without a provider?
    « Reply #12 on: December 24, 2021, 04:18:24 PM »
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  • This isn't possible to do unless you have a deal of some sort with a dark fiber provider. You'd have to buy a lot of expensive routers and switches to make this happen, set up BGP, amongst other protocols, etc. If you're not a network engineer, don't even bother pursuing this.
    Yes, his only other options are tunneling through some sort of meshnet (or Winlink where you'd receive the pages over radio through email) and these are both very narrow as well.
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