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Offline trad123

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Re: Was milk allowed during Lent before Vatican 2?
« Reply #15 on: December 26, 2020, 06:10:00 PM »
http://www.sgg.org/for-newcomers/fast-and-abstain/


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Rules of Fast
The laws of fast apply to persons between the ages of twenty-one and fifty-nine. On a fast day one may eat one full meal and two light meatless meals, which together would not equal the main meal. Meat may be taken at the principal meal, except on days of complete abstinence. Liquids such as water, milk, and fruit juices may be taken between meals.


Re: Was milk allowed during Lent before Vatican 2?
« Reply #16 on: December 27, 2020, 04:52:58 PM »

It's wikipedia, I know, not the best source, but it goes into the history a bit and I don't see why they would lie about this topic.

On the contrary, with regard to anything having more moral significance than World Series and Superbowl scores, I respectfully suggest that you ought to assume that Wikipedia is lying—or to put the matter less censoriously, is propagating error—until you find corroboration that it isn't.


Offline gladius_veritatis

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Re: Was milk allowed during Lent before Vatican 2?
« Reply #17 on: December 27, 2020, 10:08:10 PM »
You're quite the prick aren't you? If I knew where to find the answer I wouldn't be asking here would I?

Yes, I am.  That does not excuse your laziness or lack of willingness to do some basic, old-fashioned research on the topic, provided it actually means anything to you.  Stupid and/or lazy don't get a pass just because some people are hypersensitive softies.

I told you one place you can find the answer: The Liturgical Year by Dom Gueranger.  It is an absolute treasure and is available for free online.  It is 15 volumes and the matter in question is covered at length in the volume on Septuagesima (Volume IV).

Do some research, go drink some (chocolate) milk, know that I don't expect you to thank me, shut your mouth and move on to bigger and better things.

Offline Matthew

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Re: Was milk allowed during Lent before Vatican 2?
« Reply #18 on: December 27, 2020, 10:32:42 PM »
Milk and cheese and eggs used to be prohibited on some fast days, including Lent. I think it still is in some of the Eastern Rites and it is among some of the Eastern Orthodox. Fasting rules used to be much stricter but the Catholic Church became lenient a little at a time, not just after Vatican II.

And Deo Gratias for the Church legitimately updating Herself as the times required. If nothing was ever to be judged, changed, or modified, then Jesus would have just carved several stone tablets with everything laid out explicitly, and left them with the Apostles.

But no, instead He established an authority/hierarchy including a single head (the Pope, St. Peter) to "loose and bind" on earth.

Mankind has been devolving since Old Testament times. Basically our collective vigor/genes/constitution/health is getting worse every century.  And after World War 2 our food became mass-produced, agri-business slop with little nutrition and no trace minerals.

God didn't mean for us to starve to death, or destroy our health. PROVIDENTIALLY, the fasting rules have been changed over the centuries to meet the changing needs of mankind.

That having been said, what happened at Vatican II was ridiculous. The NewChurch only kept TWO fast days, and those are obviously thrown out by most Novus Catholics, since they aren't used to fasting or abstaining. I know "good" Novus Catholics who visit a Barbecue restaurant on Good Friday -- one old lady claimed, "I think they have fish". When they got there, of course they didn't have fish. Did that bother them? Of course not. They shrugged with an "oh well" and ordered the fried chicken. Moral of the story? You can't have a habit with a period of "every 60 days" or "every 200 days". Something that infrequent is always rounded down to NEVER. Always.

Re: Was milk allowed during Lent before Vatican 2?
« Reply #19 on: February 23, 2021, 05:49:44 PM »
Yes, I am.  That does not excuse your laziness or lack of willingness to do some basic, old-fashioned research on the topic, provided it actually means anything to you.  Stupid and/or lazy don't get a pass just because some people are hypersensitive softies.

I told you one place you can find the answer: The Liturgical Year by Dom Gueranger.  It is an absolute treasure and is available for free online.  It is 15 volumes and the matter in question is covered at length in the volume on Septuagesima (Volume IV).

Do some research, go drink some (chocolate) milk, know that I don't expect you to thank me, shut your mouth and move on to bigger and better things.
Have you ever asked a question here for which you could find the answer yourself?