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Offline Nadir

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« Reply #30 on: April 02, 2014, 02:45:12 AM »
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    The docuмent conveys the idea that Jesus fasted throughout His life


    This is false. There is nothing of this in the Gospel. Actually the opposite is true. Jesus fasted at times, but he did not fast at banquets.

    We have several passages which say otherwise:

     Mark 2:16
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    And the scribes and the Pharisees, seeing that he ate with publicans and sinners, said to his disciples: Why doth your master eat and drink with publicans and sinners?


    Matthew 11: 18-19
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    For John came neither eating nor drinking; and they say: He hath a devil. The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say: Behold a man that is a glutton and a wine drinker, a friend of publicans and sinners.


    The thing is certainly not to be trusted.
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

    +RIP 2024

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    « Reply #31 on: April 02, 2014, 02:52:12 AM »
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  • Thank you Nadir, you make my point exactly.

    In particular (my) already being aware of the parables you quoted and my previous post that this docuмent IS NOT PART OF THE DEPOSIT OF FAITH...just like any private relevation.

    For many,(if not the majority) they will see it as you did.


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    « Reply #32 on: April 02, 2014, 04:28:23 AM »
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  • It seems irrefutable that this unfortunate priest is in hell


    This immense pain, this horrible tragedy of Hell, lasts for eternity, and I, Verdi-Garandieu, am forced to say these things.”


    Perhaps that God has him give this testimony, He will as St Augustine says of some who are damned but performed some externally good acts "make their suffering more tolerable"



    And as regards fastings, any of us  could go to a banquet and fast by abstention, part or whole!



    The record of this exorcism is available independent of Veronica Lueken in book form. I read such a book 10 years ago, but they are difficult to get hold off. This may be one such:

    http://www.catholiccounterpoint.com/warnings-from-the-beyond-hell/

    Veronica Lueken's messages are in fact discouraging of tradition and thus the association seems a ruse of the devil to diminish the veracity of the revelations, even as seemingly he has instituted Medjugorje to obscure Fatima.


       

    2 Corinthians 2:11


    "That we be not overreached by Satan. For we are not ignorant of his devices."



    For me, these revelations cut through all the present confusion and are a MUST read. Thus pray about them and do the research as necessary, because you are blessed if you are given the light to see the truth of them! As will been seen, God does not work within the black and white contours that a number of trads would suggest!

       

    Psalms 24:10


    All the ways of the Lord are mercy and truth


    God bless!




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    « Reply #33 on: April 02, 2014, 06:11:00 AM »
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    And as regards fastings, any of us  could go to a banquet and fast by abstention, part or whole!


    Jesus is not any of us. Anyway we are told to eat what is given us, as long as no-one is going to be scandalised.

    Here is what the post says, once again in case you missed it. andy

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    As the Gospel says, Jesus Christ did indeed participate in banquets, to which He was invited by various people, but at these meals, He did not eat very much. And if He did eat a little during the course of these banquets, it must also be stressed that, many times, He chose to suffer from hunger.


    Well, let it be clear: The Gospel does NOT say that!

    Who would believe that Jesus would attend a banquet and not take a part in consuming and enjoying the food. Who would say such a thing? I'll tell you who. The same fellow who says He drank unfermented grape juice or grape cordial! In other words a wowser protestant. I've already given two quotes to show He did partake. But you have given no evidence to the contrary.

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    Thus pray about them and do the research as necessary, because you are blessed if you are given the light to see the truth of them!


    Do the research?! Blessed to see the truth of them?
    And if what you see is falsehood? Do you just pretend it's truth?

    And what is there to be said about this statement of Beelzebub (constrained to speak the truth?

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    She (the Blessed Virgin) is given much too little prominence in the Gospels.
    https://www.tldm.org/News4/WarningsFromBeyond.1of3.htm

    I am not saying there is no truth in it. I am saying that there is falsehood in it.
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

    +RIP 2024

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    « Reply #34 on: April 02, 2014, 06:34:32 AM »
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  • To Nadir,


    The fact that the Gospels do not tell us that Christ did not abstain/fast at banquets, does not preclude that he did.


    If you believe this assertion invalidates the veracity of the account, then so you do, but reasonable objection can be made to your view:


       

    Ecclesiasticus 31:17


    "Be not hasty in a feast."


       

    Matthew 6:18


    "That thou appear not to men to fast, but to thy Father who is in secret: and thy Father who seeth in secret, will repay thee."


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    « Reply #35 on: April 02, 2014, 07:01:13 AM »
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  • That was a very long speech for someone in Hell.  In fact, I believe it is unprecendented in all of history.

    How were the words spoken recorded?  Shorthand?  Tape recorder?

    How could one verify that this really happened, those words were spoken and was not just a pious invention later on?

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    « Reply #36 on: April 02, 2014, 07:12:47 AM »
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  • And who is "Nancy Knowles-Smith" the translator?

    A Google search does not confirm her existance outside of this exorcism reference.  Did she never translate any other books?

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    « Reply #37 on: April 02, 2014, 07:23:47 AM »
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  • Ask heaven in faith:

       

    Matthew 7:7


    "Ask, and it shall be given you: seek, and you shall find: knock, and it shall be opened to you."



    Write as follows:


    Jean Marty's book in French is available from 'Les Editions Saint Raphael, 31 Ouest, rue King, Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada J IH INS.



    Research the following persons:



    The book essentially exposes the remarks and gestures made by a possessed woman in Switzerland during 1975‑1978. Speaking through the possessed woman, the demons were forced to tell the truth by Our Lady under the Solemn Church Exorcism, which was witnessed by the following priests who have all expressed their conviction of the authenticity of the revelations made by the demons upon the order of the Blessed Virgin.


     WITNESSES

     

    The priests whose names are listed below, testify that, based on their personal knowledge of this case of possession, they are firmly convinced of the authenticity of the revelations made by the demons, by order of the Blessed Virgin:

    Abbot Albert d'Arx, Nieder-Buchsiten,

    Abbot Arnold Egli, Ramiswil,

    Abbot Ernest Fischer, missionary, Gossau,

    Reverend Father Pius Gervasi, o.s.b., Disentis,

    Abbot Karl Holdener, retired, Ried.

    Reverend Father Gregoire Meyer, Trimbach,

    Reverend Father Robert Rinderer, e.p.p.s., Auw,

    Abbot Louis Veillard, retired, Cerneux-Pequignot.

     

    NOTE (French edition).

    The eight priests or religious named above are all of Swiss nationality, except Father Fischer, who is a German: they all took part in the exorcisms, except Father Gregoire Meyer, who was at one time Spiritual Director for the possessed woman, and therefore knows her well.

    Two other priests, of French nationality, have also taken part in the exorcisms.




    N.B. 1 - The number of exorcists present during the exorcisms varies from two to six. The exorcisms are still going on.

    N.B. 2 - During the exorcisms - particularly lively as you will see -there are always people praying in a chapel before the Most Blessed Sacrament.

    N.B. 3 - “We have invited the Swiss Bishops to be present during the Exorcisms. No favorable response has been received.” (Bonaventure Meyer)

    N.B. 4 - A copy of a film of the exorcisms carried out on January 23, 1978, has been sent to the Swiss Bishops.



    DECLARATION

    THE UNDERSIGNED, DOCTOR MICHEL MOURET, CHIEF DOCTOR OF THE PSYCHIATRIC DEPARTMENT OF THE LIMOUX HOSPITAL (AUDE), AFTER HAVING EXAMINED MRS. R.B. IN SWITZERLAND, AND HAVING BEEN PRESENT THIS DAY, APRIL 26, 1978, AT AN EXORCISM INVOLVING HER, IN THE PRESENCE OF FOUR PRIESTS, OF A DURATION OF THREE AND A HALF HOURS, DECLARE THAT IN THE TYPE OF MANIFESTATIONS PRESENTED BY THE SUBJECT THERE WAS NO EVIDENCE OF EITHER A RAVING PSYCHOSIS, NOR OF AN HYSTERICAL PERSONALITY - TWO DIAGNOSES TO BE ELIMINATED IN THIS CASE. BUT HERE WAS EVIDENCE OF MEDIUMISTIC PHENOMENA THAT THE CHURCH IS ACCUSTOMED TO CALL POSSESSION, WHICH IS MORE OR LESS, TRANSITORY.

    Dr. Michael Gabriel Mouret


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    « Reply #38 on: April 02, 2014, 07:27:47 AM »
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  • I have no info on Nancy Knowles Smith. As this exorcism was performed in the 70's, perhaps she is no longer with us.

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    « Reply #39 on: April 02, 2014, 01:56:03 PM »
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    That was a very long speech for someone in Hell.  In fact, I believe it is unprecendented in all of history.

    How were the words spoken recorded?  Shorthand?  Tape recorder?

    How could one verify that this really happened, those words were spoken and was not just a pious invention later on?


    Never read this then, have you?

    https://www.olrl.org/doctrine/cry.shtml

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    Clara and Annette, both single Catholics in their early twenties, worked adjacent to each other as employees of a commercial firm in Germany. Although they were never very close friends, they shared a courteous mutual regard which led to an exchange of ideas and, eventually, of confidences. Clara professed herself openly religious, and felt it her duty to instruct and admonish Annette when the latter appeared excessively casual or superficial in religious matters.

    In due course, Annette married and left the firm. The year was 1937. Clara spent the autumn of that year on holiday at Lake Garda. About the middle of September she received a letter from her mother. "Annette . . . is dead. She was the victim of an auto accident and was buried yesterday at Wald-Friedhof."

    Clara was frightened since she knew her friend was not very religious. Was she prepared to appear before God? Dying suddenly, what had happened to her?

    The next day she attended Mass, received Holy Communion, and prayed fervently for her friend. The following night, at ten minutes after midnight, the vision took place. . .

    "Clara, do not pray for me! I am in hell. If I tell you this and speak at length about it, do not think it is because of our friendship. We here do not love anyone. I do this as under constraint. In truth, I should like to see you to come to this state where I must remain forever."

    "Perhaps that angers you, but here we all think that way. Our wills are hardened in evil - in what you call evil. Even when we do something 'good', as I do now, opening your eyes about hell, it is not because of a good intention."

    "Do you still remember our first meeting four years ago at. . .? You were then 23 and had been there already half a year. Because I was a beginner, you gave me some helpful advice. Then I praised your love of your neighbor. Ridiculous! Your help was mere coquetry. Here we do not acknowledge any good - in anybody."

    "Do you remember what I told you about my youth? Now I am painfully compelled to fill in some of the gaps."

    "According to the plan of my parents, I should not have existed. A misfortune brought about my conception. My two sisters were 14 and 15 when I was born."

    "Would that I had never existed! Would that I could now annihilate myself! Escape these tortures! No pleasure would equal that with which I would abandon my existence, as a garment of ashes which is lost in nothingness. But I must continue to exist as I chose to make myself - as a ruined person."

    "When father and mother, still young, left the country for the city, they had lost touch with the Church and were keeping company with irreligious people. They had met at a dance, and after a year and a half of companionship they 'had' to get married."

    "As a result of the nuptial ceremony, so much holy water remained on them that my mother attended Sunday Mass a couple of times a year. But she never taught me to pray. Instead, she was completely taken up with the daily cares of life, although our situation was not bad."

    "I refer to prayer, Mass, religious instruction, holy water, church with a very strong repugnance. I hate all that, as I hate those who go to church, and in general every human being and everything."

    "From a great many things do we receive torture. Every knowledge received at the hour of death, every remembrance of things lived or known is for us, a piercing flame. In each remembrance, good and bad, we see the way in which was present - the grace we despised or ignored. What a torture is this! We do not eat, we do not sleep, we do not walk. Chained, with howling and gnashing of teeth, we look appalled at our ruined life, hating and suffering. Do you hear? We here drink hatred like water. Above all we hate God. With reluctance do I force myself to make you understand."

    "The blessed in heaven must love God because they see Him without veil, in all His dazzling beauty. That makes their bliss indescribable. We know this and the knowledge makes us furious. Men on earth, who know God from nature and from revelation, can love Him, but they are not compelled to do so. The believer - I say this with gnashing of teeth - who contemplates Christ on the cross, with arms extended, will end by loving Him."

    "But he whom God approaches only in the final storm, as punisher, as just avenger, because he was rejected by Him, such a person cannot but hate Him with all the strength of his wicked will. We died with willful resolve to be separated from God. Do you now understand why hell lasts forever! It is because our wills were fixed for eternity at the moment of death. We had made our final choice. Our obstinacy will never leave us. Under compulsion, I must add that God is merciful even towards us. I affirm many things against my will and must choke the torrent of abuses I should like to vomit out."

    "God was merciful to us by not allowing our wicked wills to exhaust themselves on earth, as we should have been prepared to do. This would have increased our faults and our pains. He caused us to die before our time, as in my case, or had other mitigating circuмstances intervene. Now He shows Himself merciful towards us by not compelling a closer approach than that afforded in this remote inferno. Every step bringing us closer to God would cause us a greater pain than that which a step closer to a burning furnace would cause you."

    "You were scared when once, during a walk, I told you that my father, a few days before my first Communion, had told me: 'My little Annette, the main thing is your beautiful white dress, all the rest is just make-believe.' Because of your concern, I was almost ashamed. Now I sneer at it."

    "The important thing is that we were not allowed to receive Communion until the age of 12. By then I was already absorbed in worldly amusements and found it easy to set aside, without scruple, the things of religion. Thus, I attached no great importance to my first Communion. We are furious that many children go to Communion at the age of seven. We do all we can to make people believe that children have insufficient knowledge at that age. They must first commit some mortal sins. Then the white Particle will not do so much damage to our cause as when faith, hope, and charity - oh, these things! - received in Baptism, are still alive in their hearts."

    "Marta K - and you induced me to enter "The Association of the Young Ladies." The games were amusing. As you know, I immediately took a directive part. I liked it. I also like the picnics. I even let myself be induced to go to confession and communion sometimes."

    "Once you warned me, 'Anne, if you do not pray, you go to perdition.' I used to pray very little indeed, and even this unwillingly. You were then only too right. All those who burn in hell did not pray or did not pray enough."

    "Prayer is the first step towards God. And it is the decisive step. Especially prayer to her who is the Mother of Christ, whose name we never pronounce. Devotion to her rescues from the devil numberless souls whom sin would infallibly give to him."

    "I continue my story, consumed with rage and only because I have to. To pray is the easiest thing man can do on earth. And God has tied up the salvation of each one exactly to this very easy thing."

    "To him who prays with perseverance little by little God gives so much light, so much strength, that even the most debased sinner will at the end come back to salvation. During the last years of my life I did not pray any more, so I lacked those graces without which nobody can be saved. Here we no longer receive graces. Moreover, should we receive them we would cynically refuse them. All the fluctuations of earthly existence have ceased in the other life. For years I was living far away from God. For, in the last call of grace I decided against God."

    "I never believed in the influence of the devil. And now I affirm that he has strong influence on the persons who are in the condition in which I was then. Only many prayers, others and mine own, united with sacrifices and penances, could have snatched me from his grip. And even this only little by little. If there are only few externally obsessed, there are very many internally possessed. The devil cannot steal the free will from those who give themselves to his influence. But in punishment of their, so to speak, methodical apostasy from God, He allows the devil to nest in them."

    "I hate the devil too. And yet I am pleased about him, because he tries to ruin all of you; he and his satellites, the fallen with him at the beginning of time. There are millions of them. They roam around the earth, as thick as a swarm of flies, and you do not even notice it. It is not reserved to us damned to tempt you; but to the fallen spirits. In truth every time they drag down here to hell a human soul their own torture is increased. But what does one not do for hatred?"

    "Deep down I was rebelling against God. You did not understand it; you thought me still a Catholic. I wanted, in fact, to be called one; I even used to pay my ecclesiastical dues. Maybe your answers were right sometimes. On me they made no impression, since you must not be right. Because of these counterfeited relationships between the two of us, our separation on the occasion of my marriage was of no consequence to me. Before the wedding I went to confession and communion once more. It was a precept. My husband and I thought alike on this point. Why not comply with this formality? So we complied with this, as with the other formalities."

    "Our married life, in general, was spent in great harmony. We were of the same idea in everything. In this too, that we did not want the burden of children. In truth, my husband would have like to have one; no more, of course. In the end I succeeded in dissuading him even from this desire. Dresses, luxurious furniture, places of entertainment, picnics and trips by car and similar things were more important for me... It was a year of pleasure on earth, the one that passed from my marriage to my sudden death. Internally, of course, I was never happy, although externally at ease. There was always something indeterminate inside that gnawed at me."

    "Unexpectedly I had an inheritance from my Aunt, Lotte. My husband succeeded in increasing his wages to a considerable figure. And so I was able to furnish our new home in an attractive way. Religion did not show its light but from afar off, pale, feeble and uncertain."

    "I used to give free vent to my ill humor about some mediaeval representations of hell in cemeteries or elsewhere, in which the devil is roasting souls in red burning coals, while his companions with long tails drag new victims to him. Clara! One can be mistaken in depicting hell, but never can one exaggerate."

    "I tell you: the fire of which the Bible speaks, does not mean the torment of the conscience. Fire is fire! What He said: 'Away from Me, you accursed one, into eternal fire', is to be understood literally. Literally! How can the spirit be touched by material fire, you will ask. How can your soul suffer on earth when you put your finger on the flame? In fact the soul does not burn; and yet what torture all the individual feels!"

    "Our greatest torture consists in the certain knowledge that we shall never see God. How can this torture us so much, since on earth we are so indifferent? As long as the knife lies on the table, it leaves you cold. You see how keen it is, but you do not feel it. Plunge the knife into the flesh and you will start screaming for pain. Now we feel the loss of God. The lost Catholics suffer more than those of other religions, because they, mostly, received and despised more graces and more light. He who knew more suffers more cruelly than he who knew less. He who sinned out of malice suffers more keenly than he who sinned out of weakness. But nobody suffers more than he deserves. Oh, if that were not true, I should have a motive to hate!"

    "My death happened this way . . ."

    "A week ago - I am speaking according to your reckoning, because according to pain, I could very well say that it is already ten years that I am burning in hell - a week ago, then, my husband and I, on a Sunday went on a picnic, the last one for me. The day was glorious. I felt very well. A sinister sense of pleasure that was with me all the day long, invaded me. When lo, suddenly, during the return, my husband was dazzled by a car that was coming full speed. He lost control."

    "Jesus, used frequently by some people of German language - escaped from my lips with a shivering. Not as a prayer, but as a shout. A lacerating pain took hold of the whole of me. (In comparison with the present only a trifle). Then I lost consciousness. Strange! That morning this thought had come to me in an inexplicable way: 'You could go to Mass once more', It seemed like the last call of Love."

    "Clear and resolute, my 'NO' cut off that train of thought. You will know already what happened after my death. The lot of my husband and that of my mother, what happened to my corpse and the proceedings of my funeral are known to me through some natural knowledge we have here. What happens on earth we know only obscurely. But we know what touches us closely. I see also where you are living."

    "I myself awoke from the darkness suddenly, in the instant of my passing. I saw myself as flooded by a dazzling light. It was in the same place where my dead body was lying. It was like a theater, when suddenly the lights in the hall are put out, the curtains are rent aside and an unexpected scene, horrible illuminated, appears. The scene of my life."

    "My soul showed herself to me as in a mirror; all the graces despised from my youth until my last NO to God. I felt myself like an assassin, to whom his dead victim is shown during his trial at court - Should I repent? Never! - Should I feel ashamed? Never!"

    "However, I could not even stand before the eyes of God, rejected by me. There was only one thing for me: flight! As Cain fled from the dead body of Abel, so my soul rushed from the sight of horror."

    "This was the particular judgment: the invisible Judge said: 'Away from Me'. Then my soul, as a yellow brimstone shadow, fell headlong into the place of eternal torture."
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

    My Avatar is Fr. Hector Bolduc. He was a faithful parish priest in De Pere, WI,

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    « Reply #40 on: April 02, 2014, 04:46:53 PM »
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  • I have, but that was shorter.


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    « Reply #41 on: April 02, 2014, 06:16:03 PM »
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  • Quote from: The Penny Catechism
    Quote from: Nadir
    First lines: According to the divine revelations made to Veronica Lueken, Seer of Bayside, N.Y. ….


    Hi Nadir

    Veronica Lueken is HIGHLY controversial …


    "Highly controversial" barely scratches the surface, as I'm sure you both know.

    Thanks, PC and Nadir, for doing the dirty work I didn't have the stomach for doing. What you have turned up is quite disconcerting, I regret to say. I had thought heretofore that andysloan was simply someone given to occasional spasms of overzealousness—as is hardly surprising in a youngster who must confront the ugliness of the world around him, of course. Seeing as I do now, however, that he is an adherent of the abominable Bayside fraud casts a new and most unwholesome light on the matter. I must henceforth regard him as subversive of the Faith, either wittingly or otherwise.

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    « Reply #42 on: April 02, 2014, 06:24:25 PM »
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  • Quote from: ggreg
    I have, but that was shorter.


    As you must certainly know, ggreg, keeping things short is not a characteristic that gets one much applause hereabouts!

    [Disclaimer: I write, sad to say, as someone whose rap sheet includes several convictions and guilty pleas to the charge of failing to be brief. Still, I'm not even close to being on the CI Brevity Brigade's Ten Most Wanted List.]

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    « Reply #43 on: April 02, 2014, 06:35:46 PM »
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  • To Claudel:

    From my message on page 7 of this thread:



    "The record of this exorcism is available independent of Veronica Lueken in book form. I read such a book 10 years ago, but they are difficult to get hold of. This may be one such:

    http://www.catholiccounterpoint.com/warnings-from-the-beyond-hell/

    Veronica Lueken's messages are in fact discouraging of tradition and thus the association seems a ruse of the devil to diminish the veracity of the revelations, even as seemingly he has instituted Medjugorje to obscure Fatima."




    But what has the false apparition of Bayside got to do with your denunciation?


    The following behaviour of the Pharisees is recorded so we may know what to expect from the likes of you:



    Luke 11:54


    "Lying in wait for him, and seeking to catch something from his mouth, that they might accuse him."



    ...and there is not a shred of sincerity in your words to PC and Nadir. You have a lot of work to do!


    2 Timothy 3: 1 -3


    Know also this, that, in the last days, shall come dangerous times.  Men shall be lovers of themselves, covetous, haughty, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, wicked,  Without affection, without peace, slanderers, incontinent, unmerciful, without kindness

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    « Reply #44 on: April 02, 2014, 08:06:11 PM »
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  • Quote from: andysloan
    To Claudel:

    [andy's usual slanderous, faux-pious rubbish]


    You're a day late for April Fool's Day, dearest andy. Is it true that it's a Double of the First Class feast day on your private liturgical calendar?

    The statement, however ineptly and pretentiously framed, that you are not a Luekenite is positive news, however. Good luck finding a job.