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Offline Cato

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« on: July 12, 2013, 12:22:22 AM »
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  • Do you vote?

    I've voted consistently since I turned 18, many years ago.  So much has changed in the past few years.  Homosexual marriage, socialism, high taxes, abortion, women in the military, women's "rights," Obamacare, and on and on.  The only thing I get out of voting is jury service summons which makes things hard for me for missing work.  Even the "conservative" choices are pro choice and big government.

    Are you folks still involved in the political process?

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    « Reply #1 on: July 12, 2013, 12:30:48 AM »
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  • Last year I wrote in Ron Paul for every office that was up for election.  I've decided that in the future, I will write myself in.  Unless there is a candidate who is clearly good and righteous, or if there is ever a moral imperative, such as a close election in my state, where one candidate is pro-abortion and the other is not as much.  Otherwise, I'm not casting votes for globalist pawns.


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    « Reply #2 on: July 12, 2013, 12:33:03 AM »
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  • The obligation to vote is related to the fourth commandment. "Honor thy Mother and Father." Included in this commandment is the obligation to obey all legitinate authority in what is legitimate. The country we live in is a republic where our vote determines who leads us and in some cases what the laws will be.
    Therefore we have an obligation to participate by voting responsably.

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    « Reply #3 on: July 12, 2013, 12:46:44 AM »
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  • Quote from: poche
    The obligation to vote is related to the fourth commandment. "Honor thy Mother and Father." Included in this commandment is the obligation to obey all legitinate authority in what is legitimate. The country we live in is a republic where our vote determines who leads us and in some cases what the laws will be.
    Therefore we have an obligation to participate by voting responsably.


    It's not illegal NOT to vote.  Realistically, my vote doesn't determine anything since being a Traditional Catholic makes me a super minority.  I'm in California so all our candidates, Republican or Democrat, are all Pro Choice.  Other stuff on the ballot, I guess affects me somewhat.  I mean if the city wants to take out another bond, I guess I could vote NO, but why do I have to participate in such a corrupt government and society?

    Is it in the Catechism that voting is required as part of the Fourth Commandment?

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    « Reply #4 on: July 12, 2013, 12:46:49 AM »
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    Last year I wrote in Ron Paul for every office that was up for election.  I've decided that in the future, I will write myself in.  Unless there is a candidate who is clearly good and righteous, or if there is ever a moral imperative, such as a close election in my state, where one candidate is pro-abortion and the other is not as much.  Otherwise, I'm not casting votes for globalist pawns.


    Very good, Ryan. I feel much the same as you. I might seriously consider writing in Jesus Christ next time I vote.
    "Kindness is for fools! They [modernists] want to be treated with oil, soap, and caresses, but they ought to be beaten with fists. In a duel, you don't count or measure the blows, you strike as you can. War is not made with charity. It is a struggle, a duel." -- Pope St. Pius X


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    « Reply #5 on: July 12, 2013, 12:50:35 AM »
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    The obligation to vote is related to the fourth commandment. "Honor thy Mother and Father." Included in this commandment is the obligation to obey all legitinate authority in what is legitimate. The country we live in is a republic where our vote determines who leads us and in some cases what the laws will be.
    Therefore we have an obligation to participate by voting responsably.


    It's not illegal NOT to vote.  Realistically, my vote doesn't determine anything since being a Traditional Catholic makes me a super minority.  I'm in California so all our candidates, Republican or Democrat, are all Pro Choice.  Other stuff on the ballot, I guess affects me somewhat.  I mean if the city wants to take out another bond, I guess I could vote NO, but why do I have to participate in such a corrupt government and society?

    Is it in the Catechism that voting is required as part of the Fourth Commandment?

    I don't know if it is in the catechism. I derive this conclusion on the basis that participation can have an influence, even an indirect influence. The reason abortion is legal in this country is the betrayal of "Catholic" politicians. If we can't directly end abortion at least we could maybe mitigate its presence.  

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    « Reply #6 on: July 12, 2013, 01:18:53 AM »
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    Last year I wrote in Ron Paul for every office that was up for election.  I've decided that in the future, I will write myself in.  Unless there is a candidate who is clearly good and righteous, or if there is ever a moral imperative, such as a close election in my state, where one candidate is pro-abortion and the other is not as much.  Otherwise, I'm not casting votes for globalist pawns.


    Very good, Ryan. I feel much the same as you. I might seriously consider writing in Jesus Christ next time I vote.


    To vote for Our Lord Jesus Christ for a political office would seem to be an implicit denial of His Kingship.
    The Council of Trent, The Catechism of the Council of Trent, Papal Teaching, The Teaching of the Holy Office, The Teaching of the Church Fathers, The Code of Canon Law, Countless approved catechisms, The Doctors of the Church, The teaching of the Dogmatic

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    « Reply #7 on: July 12, 2013, 01:20:40 AM »
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    The obligation to vote is related to the fourth commandment. "Honor thy Mother and Father." Included in this commandment is the obligation to obey all legitinate authority in what is legitimate. The country we live in is a republic where our vote determines who leads us and in some cases what the laws will be.
    Therefore we have an obligation to participate by voting responsably.


    It's not illegal NOT to vote.  Realistically, my vote doesn't determine anything since being a Traditional Catholic makes me a super minority.  I'm in California so all our candidates, Republican or Democrat, are all Pro Choice.  Other stuff on the ballot, I guess affects me somewhat.  I mean if the city wants to take out another bond, I guess I could vote NO, but why do I have to participate in such a corrupt government and society?

    Is it in the Catechism that voting is required as part of the Fourth Commandment?

    I don't know if it is in the catechism. I derive this conclusion on the basis that participation can have an influence, even an indirect influence. The reason abortion is legal in this country is the betrayal of "Catholic" politicians. If we can't directly end abortion at least we could maybe mitigate its presence.  


    It is sinful to not vote.  It is a moral obligation.
    The Council of Trent, The Catechism of the Council of Trent, Papal Teaching, The Teaching of the Holy Office, The Teaching of the Church Fathers, The Code of Canon Law, Countless approved catechisms, The Doctors of the Church, The teaching of the Dogmatic


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    « Reply #8 on: July 12, 2013, 09:06:14 AM »
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    It is sinful to not vote.  It is a moral obligation.


    That's ludicrous.  Catholics are under no obligation to engage in civil exercise designed to perpetuate a system that is inherently hostile to them and antithetical to the Social Reign of Christ the King.  In fact, in those situations where a system of government is unlawful or tyrannical, it can be just as incumbent on Catholics not to participate.

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    « Reply #9 on: July 12, 2013, 09:14:51 AM »
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    It is sinful to not vote.  It is a moral obligation.


    That's ludicrous.  Catholics are under no obligation to engage in civil exercise designed to perpetuate a system that is inherently hostile to them and antithetical to the Social Reign of Christ the King.  In fact, in those situations where a system of government is unlawful or tyrannical, it can be just as incumbent on Catholics not to participate.


    Finally ! :applause:

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    « Reply #10 on: July 12, 2013, 09:55:05 AM »
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    Last year I wrote in Ron Paul for every office that was up for election.  I've decided that in the future, I will write myself in.  Unless there is a candidate who is clearly good and righteous, or if there is ever a moral imperative, such as a close election in my state, where one candidate is pro-abortion and the other is not as much.  Otherwise, I'm not casting votes for globalist pawns.


    Very good, Ryan. I feel much the same as you. I might seriously consider writing in Jesus Christ next time I vote.


    To vote for Our Lord Jesus Christ for a political office would seem to be an implicit denial of His Kingship.


    Nah, just my way of saying that Our Lord is all that matters and that His rule is supreme.
    "Kindness is for fools! They [modernists] want to be treated with oil, soap, and caresses, but they ought to be beaten with fists. In a duel, you don't count or measure the blows, you strike as you can. War is not made with charity. It is a struggle, a duel." -- Pope St. Pius X


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    « Reply #11 on: July 12, 2013, 11:04:18 AM »
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    It is sinful to not vote.  It is a moral obligation.


    That's ludicrous.  Catholics are under no obligation to engage in civil exercise designed to perpetuate a system that is inherently hostile to them and antithetical to the Social Reign of Christ the King.  In fact, in those situations where a system of government is unlawful or tyrannical, it can be just as incumbent on Catholics not to participate.


    The obligation to vote is taught by Popes and the bishops.  It is explained by the theologians.
    The Council of Trent, The Catechism of the Council of Trent, Papal Teaching, The Teaching of the Holy Office, The Teaching of the Church Fathers, The Code of Canon Law, Countless approved catechisms, The Doctors of the Church, The teaching of the Dogmatic

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    « Reply #12 on: July 12, 2013, 11:08:52 AM »
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    It is sinful to not vote.  It is a moral obligation.


    That's ludicrous.  Catholics are under no obligation to engage in civil exercise designed to perpetuate a system that is inherently hostile to them and antithetical to the Social Reign of Christ the King.  In fact, in those situations where a system of government is unlawful or tyrannical, it can be just as incumbent on Catholics not to participate.


    The obligation to vote is taught by Popes and the bishops.  It is explained by the theologians.


    Do you have the explicit teaching to back up this assertion or is this something you learned in civics class of the Catholic high school you attended?

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    « Reply #13 on: July 12, 2013, 11:10:11 AM »
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    It is sinful to not vote.  It is a moral obligation.


    That's ludicrous.  Catholics are under no obligation to engage in civil exercise designed to perpetuate a system that is inherently hostile to them and antithetical to the Social Reign of Christ the King.  In fact, in those situations where a system of government is unlawful or tyrannical, it can be just as incumbent on Catholics not to participate.


    The obligation to vote is taught by Popes and the bishops.  It is explained by the theologians.


    The obligation exists only if there is a suitable Catholic candidate to vote for.

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    « Reply #14 on: July 12, 2013, 11:10:36 AM »
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    Last year I wrote in Ron Paul for every office that was up for election.  I've decided that in the future, I will write myself in.  Unless there is a candidate who is clearly good and righteous, or if there is ever a moral imperative, such as a close election in my state, where one candidate is pro-abortion and the other is not as much.  Otherwise, I'm not casting votes for globalist pawns.


    Very good, Ryan. I feel much the same as you. I might seriously consider writing in Jesus Christ next time I vote.


    To vote for Our Lord Jesus Christ for a political office would seem to be an implicit denial of His Kingship.


    Nah, just my way of saying that Our Lord is all that matters and that His rule is supreme.


    I understand your good intent, but one would not vote even for an earthly king for an office that is limited in power, set by a fixed term, and ultimately answerable to the people if they wish to be elected again.  How much more so does this apply to our Lord?

    Our Lord does not need or want our votes for a man made office.  He needs our recognition of Him as King.
    The Council of Trent, The Catechism of the Council of Trent, Papal Teaching, The Teaching of the Holy Office, The Teaching of the Church Fathers, The Code of Canon Law, Countless approved catechisms, The Doctors of the Church, The teaching of the Dogmatic


     

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