Author Topic: Vote on abortion legislation passed by Dil (Read 945 times)

John Grace · « **on:** July 02, 2013, 01:31:34 PM »

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/vote-on-abortion-legislation-passed-by-dail-599228.html

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02/07/2013 - 17:58:03
TDs have passed the second stage of the Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill by 138 votes to 24 in this evening's Dáil vote.
Four Fine Gael TDs voted against - Peter Mathews, Billy Timmins, Brian Walsh and Terence Flanagan.

All four will now be expelled from the Fine Gael parliamentary party.
A series of other Fine Gael TDs who have problems with the bill, including junior minister Lucinda Creighton, voted in favour of it for now but could break ranks later.
Sinn Féin's Peadar Toibin also voted against the bill, as did 13 out of the 19 Fianna Fáil TDs.

John Grace · « **Reply #1 on:** July 02, 2013, 01:34:08 PM »

A very principled Irish republican, who ironically, I was speaking to earlier today once stated the "Devil is in that house". It's true that Leinster House is rotten and those politicians are rotten. Leinster House is where the Irish parliament. Now, thankfully many pro-lifers have woken to the lies and deceit of these politicians. Few believe power is wielded in parliament.

I despise these thieves, traitors and liars of politicians.

John Grace · « **Reply #2 on:** July 02, 2013, 01:37:02 PM »

The title of thread should read Dáil

John Grace · « **Reply #3 on:** July 02, 2013, 01:41:27 PM »

I hope people in Ireland will not feel dejected and demoralised by the treachery of the politicians. One woman is quite upset as a politician told her he was against abortion but is voting for abortion. As discussed often they say anything to get the vote.

SoldierOfChrist · « **Reply #4 on:** July 02, 2013, 05:28:20 PM »

From the arguments that I was getting from Irish people on the Independent a few weeks ago, it seems that the majority of the pro-aborts over there, base their opinions on their mistrust of the Church in the wake of the pedophilia scandals. How illogical is the mind of a faithless proabort. The majority of the arguments that I heard supporting abortion were literally a mixture of "Catholic priests molested children" and "God doesn't exist". That's there argument. How can you fight against that level of logic?

s2srea · « **Reply #5 on:** July 02, 2013, 05:37:10 PM »

John- am I reading this correctly? Does this mean that the passing of abortion, which passed not long ago in Ireland, is now being overturned in some way (re:passage of "Protection of Life During Pregnancy")?

SoldierOfChrist · « **Reply #6 on:** July 03, 2013, 01:45:28 AM »

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John- am I reading this correctly? Does this mean that the passing of abortion, which passed not long ago in Ireland, is now being overturned in some way (re:passage of "Protection of Life During Pregnancy")?

Actually, my understanding is that the orwellian Protection of Life During Pregnancy act, still has one more hurdle to go. Please correct me if I'm wrong John.

Protection of Life During Pregnancy, is actually about giving women the right to kill their unborn children, in protection of their own lives, which could be interpreted as being endangered by their own psychological ills, if they are feeling suicidal about being pregnant.

John Grace · « **Reply #7 on:** July 03, 2013, 07:35:00 AM »

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John- am I reading this correctly? Does this mean that the passing of abortion, which passed not long ago in Ireland, is now being overturned in some way (re:passage of "Protection of Life During Pregnancy")?

Actually, my understanding is that the orwellian Protection of Life During Pregnancy act, still has one more hurdle to go. Please correct me if I'm wrong John.

Protection of Life During Pregnancy, is actually about giving women the right to kill their unborn children, in protection of their own lives, which could be interpreted as being endangered by their own psychological ills, if they are feeling suicidal about being pregnant.

Indeed. I expect the bill and any legislation to be challenged in the courts.

John Grace · « **Reply #8 on:** July 03, 2013, 07:37:02 AM »

This is the bill
http://www.merrionstreet.ie/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Protection-of-Life-During-Pregnancy-Bill-PLP-30.04.13-10.30.pdf

John Grace · « **Reply #9 on:** July 03, 2013, 07:40:49 AM »

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Protection of Life During Pregnancy act, still has one more hurdle to go.

There will be a final vote on it next week and they expect it to be law before the parliament finishes for the Summer.

Senators in Seanad Éireann the upper house of the Oireachtas (the Irish parliament) will vote also and then the Irish President would sign a bill into law.

SoldierOfChrist · « **Reply #10 on:** July 03, 2013, 02:34:21 PM »

The propaganda that we see from the pro-aborts truly amazes me. Patsy McGarry is arguing that the Church fathers were pro-abortion. Truly amazing. Lies and deceit are the only way that they know. And they are getting more and more arrogant about the degree to which they will lie boldfaced to the public. They know that they will get away with it so they are rubbing our faces in the fact that they can tell the public any ridiculous thing that they want to and how easy it is to make the people believe them.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/catholic-church-teaching-on-abortion-dates-from-1869-1.1449517

According to this article, "Among those who held a different view on abortion to that of the Catholic Church now are some of its most eminent thinkers.

These include at least three of the 33 Catholic Church “super saints” – Jerome, Augustine and Aquinas – all of them “Doctors of the Church”. Were one to follow the logic of some in the church today, they should be excommunicated."

Matto · « **Reply #11 on:** July 03, 2013, 02:52:42 PM »

There is a Hell for people like this. I pray they repent before they get there.

This makes me very angry. :smash-pc: