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Online Michaelknoxville

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Vocation question.
« on: November 25, 2025, 12:33:41 PM »
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  • Having to start life over at 40 is brutal. Having to start life over at 40 as a Catholic is only a work God can accomplish in you. The mine fields of the world are are increasingly more hard to navigate every day. The minefields that have become the Catholic faith are as well. If you quote scripture, the wrong one can be interpreted as a dog whistle, if you go to Latin mass your risking your soul, if don’t agree with views outside dogma but are considered traditional your questionable at best. I’m 40, I’ve been around, I’ve seen some things. I’ve navigated the division in polyticks in America, but navigating the division inside the church is new to me and it’s shocking. It’s hard enough to live celibate, it’s hard enough not to hit the bottle, it’s hard enough to love your neighbor but navigating this church culture has become the most difficult aspect of turning my life around. In light of all this the loneliness epidemic is flourishing. I feel it myself time to time. You can get some company online and have some crazy conversations but my generation especially has been deprived of the face to face human to human contact that makes life real. At 40 I’m a poor suitor for any woman. I can barley take care of me and my coonhound. I’ve spent my life building up other people’s lives and fixing their various problems. But this has left me a few problems of my own. For myself I’ve saved nothing. I’ve wrecked my back braking it for other folks. I’ve spent my best years rejecting good woman and living selfishly. Fair enough. I deserve some punishment. But at this point where does someone like me go? Monasticism? Why when the church is in shambles? If the mass is not valid and I have no means to move again I suppose I’ve found myself in the wilderness. I suppose that’s not a terrible place to be. I’ve never thought I’d have to be so stoic. But it is what it is. Even the most simple things have become so complex in these times. Getting advice from elders can lead you so many different ways a man has no choice but to turn to God. Perhaps that is the point in all of this is a call back to what is simple wholesome and true. Religion that is pure before God and undefiled is [color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.8)]to visit orphans and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unspotted from the world."[/color][color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.8)]  [/color]
    [color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.8)]To love your neighbor as yourself, to be humble, to love God above all things. To study scripture and the church fathers. All these basics that get clouded in the difficult to navigate mine field of modernity. I won’t give up. I’ll do my best to stay vigilant and not cry about my burdens but I do think we have to recognize the uphill battle people are facing at this time and walk back down to get them from our high hill and help carry up the more simple souls who are dealing with these things. Say what we want about Protestants but they are better at evangelizing and meeting people where they are at and we should consider these things. The standards set forth by the real catholic body “ like you guys” are often to high for regular folks although I recognize the standards being proposed by the ape church are becoming too low. There has to be some middle ground. We can’t just leave the average sheep to the wolves. As for me I’ll have to struggle to find purpose in all of this and navigate the best I can. That’s all one can really do. [/color][/font]

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    Re: Vocation question.
    « Reply #1 on: November 25, 2025, 01:38:38 PM »
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  • I believe my son feels as you do.  He is age 49.  I know other men like him and they to told me how they feel.  We are living in Latter times.  The evils of satan, God permitting 100 years, and their time is short.  It is a shame the youth of today can not have the dreams of 1 job, family and such.  Your generation is having purgatory on this earth, before God calls you.  We all suffer and we do with different crosses.

    I do believe, leading up to the Church Triumphant, that we will have Victim Souls, those who suffer for the desires of God: maybe praying for souls in purgatory, conversion of many sinners.  Praying for those who can not or do not pray for themselves. Maybe those who are dying by the hands of Islam/Moslem.

     Prayers and your deeds and sufferings are purposeful! St. Gertrude was a victim soul and others.  God was so happy to have their hearts.  This is a love that is a true Love for the Sacred Heart.

    I pray and try to speak to our son on this matter, but I am sure he thinks, Oh, Mom, you don't understand.  I am sure he is right for it is true, I am not walking a mile in his moccasins.

    I once was a bus assistant with children, almost vegetables.  I had to trache 2 boys ages 18. I was beaten twice, and another almost drowned twice.  I had a male driver age 35 who asked me, " Why do they remain living in this world"  So, I think, the boys purpose of living.  I answered the bus driver, "because they teach us what real love is.

    We don't know what God has in store for us.  We do listen in our hearts for His Will.  Everyday is a different day.  Look to what God desires.  signed Mom


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    Re: Vocation question.
    « Reply #2 on: November 25, 2025, 01:40:18 PM »
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    Re: Vocation question.
    « Reply #3 on: November 25, 2025, 02:58:47 PM »
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  • Well, Michael, being faithful to Christ and the Church right now is a martyrdom. It is especially a martyrdom of loneliness, of disappointment, of hunger and thirst for the Bread of Life, of hunger and thirst for justice, of hunger and thirst for friendship and community, and of profound misery.

    I can tell you that over the course of thirty years things have gotten harder and harder for me, more and more bleak, humanly speaking, more and more abandoned, more and more alone. But never once - no matter how terrible the decisions I've had to make to stay always faithful to my God - have I ever questioned whether I did the right thing. I've never questioned any decision I've made to follow the Lord radically, no matter what human misery it put me in. 

    Ya'll were talking about scrapping, fighting, and concussing on the other thread. The Lord Jesus loves stout fighters. And guess who He loves the most. The women, children, and old men who suffered excruciating torments rather than offend Him in any way. 

    There's toughness of body, and there's toughness of soul. In God's economy, the toughest souls love the most, suffer the most, and have the most joy. 

    If you choose to follow the Lord where He leads you, you can bank on dire suffering like you've never experienced before. You're a big sinner, and you've got lots of expiation on the horizon. I say this to you so boldly because I am the very same, and I've been doing big expiation now many years. But you can also bank on a love and a joy that no man, no demon, and no misery can steal from you - a love which will continue to grow until you exhale your last breath. 

    Jesus Christ, the Beautiful Master, is worth any kind of suffering. He is no trifle. He does not come cheap. He is the pearl of great price; and the possession of Him must be radically striven for. We must "sell all" in order to buy that Pearl. 

    Now, to stoke your coals, I've got one of the most remarkable hagiographies in existence. If it doesn't move you to heroism, nothing will:

    https://sourcebooks.web.fordham.edu/basis/maryegypt.asp

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    Re: Vocation question.
    « Reply #4 on: November 25, 2025, 03:07:11 PM »
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  • I believe my son feels as you do.  He is age 49.  I know other men like him and they to told me how they feel.  We are living in Latter times.  The evils of satan, God permitting 100 years, and their time is short.  It is a shame the youth of today can not have the dreams of 1 job, family and such.  Your generation is having purgatory on this earth, before God calls you.  We all suffer and we do with different crosses.

    I do believe, leading up to the Church Triumphant, that we will have Victim Souls, those who suffer for the desires of God: maybe praying for souls in purgatory, conversion of many sinners.  Praying for those who can not or do not pray for themselves. Maybe those who are dying by the hands of Islam/Moslem.

     Prayers and your deeds and sufferings are purposeful! St. Gertrude was a victim soul and others.  God was so happy to have their hearts.  This is a love that is a true Love for the Sacred Heart.

    I pray and try to speak to our son on this matter, but I am sure he thinks, Oh, Mom, you don't understand.  I am sure he is right for it is true, I am not walking a mile in his moccasins.

    I once was a bus assistant with children, almost vegetables.  I had to trache 2 boys ages 18. I was beaten twice, and another almost drowned twice.  I had a male driver age 35 who asked me, " Why do they remain living in this world"  So, I think, the boys purpose of living.  I answered the bus driver, "because they teach us what real love is.

    We don't know what God has in store for us.  We do listen in our hearts for His Will.  Everyday is a different day.  Look to what God desires.  signed Mom
    Studying the saints and the virtues helps a lot! We can’t see our impact until we are dead but some words from father Ripperger helped me a lot. He said “ in heaven even though we may not feel like we made a big impact here on earth, people will say to us: wow you are the one who defeated such and such demon, “ basically meaning that our cross we carry may not be clear to us now. But as we move closer to God we will have a more clear understanding of what our purpose was. And what other purpose should we have than too align with God’s, we may be doing that by simply carrying onward. Thank you for that mom! I pray your son comes to this realization as well.


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    Re: Vocation question.
    « Reply #5 on: November 25, 2025, 03:14:12 PM »
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  • Well, Michael, being faithful to Christ and the Church right now is a martyrdom. It is especially a martyrdom of loneliness, of disappointment, of hunger and thirst for the Bread of Life, of hunger and thirst for justice, of hunger and thirst for friendship and community, and of profound misery.

    I can tell you that over the course of thirty years things have gotten harder and harder for me, more and more bleak, humanly speaking, more and more abandoned, more and more alone. But never once - no matter how terrible the decisions I've had to make to stay always faithful to my God - have I ever questioned whether I did the right thing. I've never questioned any decision I've made to follow the Lord radically, no matter what human misery it put me in.

    Ya'll were talking about scrapping, fighting, and concussing on the other thread. The Lord Jesus loves stout fighters. And guess who He loves the most. The women, children, and old men who suffered excruciating torments rather than offend Him in any way.

    There's toughness of body, and there's toughness of soul. In God's economy, the toughest souls love the most, suffer the most, and have the most joy.

    If you choose to follow the Lord where He leads you, you can bank on dire suffering like you've never experienced before. You're a big sinner, and you've got lots of expiation on the horizon. I say this to you so boldly because I am the very same, and I've been doing big expiation now many years. But you can also bank on a love and a joy that no man, no demon, and no misery can steal from you - a love which will continue to grow until you exhale your last breath.

    Jesus Christ, the Beautiful Master, is worth any kind of suffering. He is no trifle. He does not come cheap. He is the pearl of great price; and the possession of Him must be radically striven for. We must "sell all" in order to buy that Pearl.

    Now, to stoke your coals, I've got one of the most remarkable hagiographies in existence. If it doesn't move you to heroism, nothing will:

    https://sourcebooks.web.fordham.edu/basis/maryegypt.asp
    The inner torment is no contest more excruciating than any broken nose or eating beer bottles thrown at your face by large men 😆 but I have to say that resolve did prepare me just a bit, just a little bit, not much haha for the torment of giving up the world to follow Jesus! I will check this out! Studying the martyrs gave me a crash course in misery. I have to say I was prepared but it’s one thing to be prepared and another to actually go through it. 

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    « Reply #6 on: November 25, 2025, 03:15:51 PM »
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  • https://sourcebooks.web.fordham.edu/basis/maryegypt.asp
    I once prayed to God to send me a female friend because I've never really had one and a video of the story of St. Mary of Egypt popped up in my YouTube feed.  I loved it and it helped me to be okay with not having friends.  I talk to myself maybe 2-4 hrs a day.  I know someone is listening.

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  • I once prayed to God to send me a female friend because I've never really had one and a video of the story of St. Mary of Egypt popped up in my YouTube feed.  I loved it and it helped me to be okay with not having friends.  I talk to myself maybe 2-4 hrs a day.  I know someone is listening.
    Oh the electronic devices are listening alright 


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    « Reply #9 on: November 25, 2025, 03:26:48 PM »
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  • The inner torment is no contest more excruciating than any broken nose or eating beer bottles thrown at your face by large men 😆 but I have to say that resolve did prepare me just a bit, just a little bit, not much haha for the torment of giving up the world to follow Jesus! I will check this out! Studying the martyrs gave me a crash course in misery. I have to say I was prepared but it’s one thing to be prepared and another to actually go through it.

    Yup. 

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  • I once prayed to God to send me a female friend because I've never really had one and a video of the story of St. Mary of Egypt popped up in my YouTube feed.  I loved it and it helped me to be okay with not having friends.  I talk to myself maybe 2-4 hrs a day.  I know someone is listening.

    LOL!! That's funny but so poignantly true!!!

    I cannot breathe without St. Mary. When things get really difficult for me, I think of her and remember that God loves me. 

    Do you know, the Lord told another female Saint that there are three women He especially loves and admires: St. Mary Magdalene, St. Margaret of Cortona, and St. Mary of Egypt. All three big penitents. 

    Jesus Christ is the Lover of the Sinner. Christ and the Sinner are radically ordered to one another. Only in Jesus may anyone say, "My Judge is my Lover."


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    « Reply #11 on: November 25, 2025, 04:27:15 PM »
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  • I once prayed to God to send me a female friend because I've never really had one and a video of the story of St. Mary of Egypt popped up in my YouTube feed.  I loved it and it helped me to be okay with not having friends.  I talk to myself maybe 2-4 hrs a day.  I know someone is listening.
    Oh my! 😱 are we like…….. incels? Or like some modern monks in a digital desert ?🏜️ 🌵 🐪 

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  • Oh my! 😱 are we like…….. incels? Or like some modern monks in a digital desert ?🏜️ 🌵 🐪
    Don't use that term, chastity is a virtue.

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  • Don't use that term, chastity is a virtue.
    I understand that. Very well now, but affability, fidelity, amicitia “friendship”, are all charitable gifts. So is procreation of good Catholics especially in days like these. 🤷‍♂️ I suppose monastic life has come back in style just in different ways than the past. I suppose it suits some people to be like that for a time and others will live that way for Gods sake forever. The virtue of conjugal charity. I hope it’s not just part of the loneliness epidemic and it’s Gods will. Humans seem to be shrinking back from life more and more. I hope it’s less to do with that and more to do with benefit of our souls.

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    « Reply #14 on: November 25, 2025, 07:47:21 PM »
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  • Having to start life over at 40 is brutal. Having to start life over at 40 as a Catholic is only a work God can accomplish in you. The mine fields of the world are are increasingly more hard to navigate every day. The minefields that have become the Catholic faith are as well. If you quote scripture, the wrong one can be interpreted as a dog whistle, if you go to Latin mass your risking your soul, if don’t agree with views outside dogma but are considered traditional your questionable at best. I’m 40, I’ve been around, I’ve seen some things. I’ve navigated the division in polyticks in America, but navigating the division inside the church is new to me and it’s shocking. It’s hard enough to live celibate, it’s hard enough not to hit the bottle, it’s hard enough to love your neighbor but navigating this church culture has become the most difficult aspect of turning my life around. In light of all this the loneliness epidemic is flourishing. I feel it myself time to time. You can get some company online and have some crazy conversations but my generation especially has been deprived of the face to face human to human contact that makes life real. At 40 I’m a poor suitor for any woman. I can barley take care of me and my coonhound. I’ve spent my life building up other people’s lives and fixing their various problems. But this has left me a few problems of my own. For myself I’ve saved nothing. I’ve wrecked my back braking it for other folks. I’ve spent my best years rejecting good woman and living selfishly. Fair enough. I deserve some punishment. But at this point where does someone like me go? Monasticism? Why when the church is in shambles? If the mass is not valid and I have no means to move again I suppose I’ve found myself in the wilderness. I suppose that’s not a terrible place to be. I’ve never thought I’d have to be so stoic. But it is what it is. Even the most simple things have become so complex in these times. Getting advice from elders can lead you so many different ways a man has no choice but to turn to God. Perhaps that is the point in all of this is a call back to what is simple wholesome and true. Religion that is pure before God and undefiled is [color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.8)]to visit orphans and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unspotted from the world."[/color] 
    [color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.8)]To love your neighbor as yourself, to be humble, to love God above all things. To study scripture and the church fathers. All these basics that get clouded in the difficult to navigate mine field of modernity. I won’t give up. I’ll do my best to stay vigilant and not cry about my burdens but I do think we have to recognize the uphill battle people are facing at this time and walk back down to get them from our high hill and help carry up the more simple souls who are dealing with these things. Say what we want about Protestants but they are better at evangelizing and meeting people where they are at and we should consider these things. The standards set forth by the real catholic body “ like you guys” are often to high for regular folks although I recognize the standards being proposed by the ape church are becoming too low. There has to be some middle ground. We can’t just leave the average sheep to the wolves. As for me I’ll have to struggle to find purpose in all of this and navigate the best I can. That’s all one can really do. [/color][/font]

    Hang in there.  He'll show you His path for you if you trust Him 100%.