I believe the 1969 Moon landing was a hoax. Besides all the evidence presented by the "Moon landing was a hoax" proponents, there's also the fact that we haven't gone back in HOW LONG?

See? It was all to beat the Russians. It was a Cold War piece of Hollywood trickery to help America psychologically.

1969 was a long time ago. It's not like the year is 1983, and it's only been a decade and a half. Back then, we could have given NASA the benefit of the doubt: "Maybe they're saving up for the next big project -- maybe a moon colony?"  But it's been 42 years!

I think the low Earth orbit missions are authentic -- we just can't go to the Moon or beyond without dying. Apparently there's a radiation belt around the Earth that is extremely deleterious to human physiology.

It got me thinking -- you have Star Trek (and its various spin-offs) and countless other Sci-fi series, all of which act as if staying on one's home planet is up there (advancement-wise) with cooking freshly killed animals over a bonfire.

But as a Catholic, I must object. God created the Earth and everything in it. He wants us here; he created us to live our short lives out on this world. Earth is not only hospitable to life, but it has everything we need. I don't believe we're meant to leave Earth behind as soon as we "grow up" as a civilization just like a pimply-faced teenager leaves his mom & dad's house at 18 to start his grown-up life.

But *every single* Sci-fi series acts as if extra-planetary space travel is a given.

My question: Does watching enough of these "harmless imagination" TV programs brainwash us to the point that our mind is "jarred" by the reality that we can't actually set foot on the humble Moon (nevermind other planets), to the point that we REJECT that reality?

Once again, the true evil of TV programming comes to light.

If there were any people left that didn't watch TV (not even in their foolish youth), you'd have more people reacting NATURALLY -- with derision -- when people suggest: "Of COURSE we're going to be able to travel to all sorts of planets in the near future. Our civilization just has to advance enough -- we have to grow up, that's all!"

A sane person would send anyone who said that to the looney bin.

Insanity is mistaken for wisdom, and vice-versa. What a messed up place the modern world is -- how full of error! How backwards -- how satanic!

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See? It was all to beat the Russians. It was a Cold War piece of Hollywood trickery to help America psychologically.

Well then, why aren't the Russians exposing this, simply by invoking "the moon landing was a hoax" evidence, or by objecting that there is some kind of radiation belt preventing such an enterprise?

Could it be they would not be caught dead saying something so entirely ridicule?

Again, please, why the Russians never exposed this?

They probably want to "go to the moon" too.  :rolleyes:

I don't know, Vandaler.

And that's a valid answer when dealing with cօռspιʀαcιҽs. We don't know who was involved, exactly why they did it, etc. so how could I tell you why the Russians didn't do their own moon landing, or expose the hoax nature of the Americans' moon landing?

Maybe the single group that rules the world decided to have the USA "win" for whatever reason -- later on, the Soviet Union "fell" so it would seem to corroborate that theory. It was obviously decided to have capitalism "triumph" over communism on paper, even as communism triumphed over capitalism in reality.

In both systems -- today's Corporatism, or corporation-dominated Capitalism, and Communism, you have an oligarchy -- a rule by the few. There is little-to-no difference on the street between the two.

Most of the objectives of Communism have been achieved in modern-day capitalist United States, so it seems to have worked. It's like a sophisticated game of good cop, bad cop. Just like the 2-party system in the USA -- every 4 years you "throw the bums out" but the policies are all the same and nothing changes.

In the same line of thought, here is an experiment.

Imagine that you and a few of your buddies start a new "secret society" and it's focus is world domination and control all nations.  Then, tell me, what precisely do you think you can hold as leverage to have all the world leaders to listen to you?  

Why the heck would anyone listen to you when you hold no legitimate power?

I am open to either side of the "is the moon landing a hoax" debate so I'll just play devil's advocate.

for Vandelar: The Russians may either not have known that it was a hoax for whatever reason, or knew that if they DID call the US moon landing a hoax, no one would believe them and they would pretty much be international sore losers in the eyes of the world. It would have made the Soviet Union look weak, like it was making excuses.

for Matthew: The ship that was built to land on the moon was given extra large pads on which to land because it was expected that the moon would have at least 15 feet of dust on it. However, when they "landed" on it, it was only several inches. If this was really done in a hollywood studio, why didn't they just use 15 feet of dust so it fit into what everyone thought, and also supported the evolution theory as a little bonus?

matthew, I agree with where you arrive, but not how you get there.

I have most definitely questioned the moon landing, even going so far as to doubt it for years, but eventually came full circle and see sufficient evidence we went.

That's neither here nor there, however, as your point still stands: so what?

We belong here, God created Earth and everything in it for us to live here, but I have no problem with him giving us the solar system and galaxy to explore. Unfortunately, the wonder of the cosmost buttresses my faith, but tends to foster unquestioned philosophical naturalism in most, but that is not the fault of space, nor exploration of it, but of man.

I too find the 'obvious' assumption that we will find intelligent life, or that it is necessarily out there to be a distraction and a canard towards philosophical naturalism as well. We've been looking and landing, and now scanning for 'earthlike' planets and finding a 'good candidate' a week it seems, and still no benevolent space brethren to replace Christ as our savior and renew the Earth.

Matthew said:

But *every single* Sci-fi series acts as if extra-planetary space travel is a given.

My question: Does watching enough of these "harmless imagination" TV programs brainwash us to the point that our mind is "jarred" by the reality that we can't actually set foot on the humble Moon (nevermind other planets), to the point that we REJECT that reality?

Yes.  The movies create something that seems to be on the verge of happening, so then when it happens, it seems inevitable.  But yeah, all sci-fi has that obsession with interplanetary travel, and it is a demonic inspiration.  The devil uses it to boast about his mastery of the universe, about his desire to fill the universe with his slaves, but also the idea that there is life on other planets harms the faith and makes Earth seem insignificant.  Sci-fi is very evil stuff.

At the risk of sounding loony, the "moon landing" goes even beyond besting Russia.  It is a boast of Satan about defeating Mary.  Remember the moon is given to Mary as her footstool; to conquer the moon therefore is to dethrone Mary.  Apollo 13 was transparently a Masonic death-and-rebirth ritual.  Then there is "Challenger 7" with a teacher inside ( rabbi, Jesus ) that blows up.  The numerology and symbolism, like with 9/11, is undeniable.

For those who don't believe America is really that sinister, just take another look at the Revolutionary War flag, a snake saying "'Don't tread on me," a snub to the Virgin Mary ( Catholic Samurai was the first who I saw pointing this out, it blew me away and still does ):  



Here the devil is saying "I am going to use this country to help crush the Church and to regain my freedom," and it's all right out in the open.

What you are talking about, Matthew, this influence of the media, is why the media is a greater evil force even than Vatican II.  It is the heart of darkness.  It molds our reality and makes us see what those who control it want us to see.

The film The Truman Show had some serious revelation of the method going on when it had one character say "We accept the reality with which we're presented."  The media presents such a one-sided view of history and of life that, increasingly, anyone who goes against it looks insane and marginalized.  It's complete mind-control on a massive scale.  

One day it presents something like an attractive female doctor who is an anomaly in her small town, shocking the populace with her forward-thinking ways.  Ten years from that point, there will be ten million female doctors in the nation, when before that no girl wanted to be a doctor, or it would have been seen as odd for a girl to want to be one.

To use a more recent example, though this fad is dying down, remember a year ago how almost every single teenage girl in the nation wore little jeans shorts?  That was the influence of the vampire show True Blood.