If that is what you want to do then do it.

The universal guide of morality and decision-making...

Why can I so easily hear those words rolling off His Humbleness' tongue?  But who am I to judge...

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If that is what you want to do then do it.

The universal guide of morality and decision-making...

Why can I so easily hear those words rolling off His Humbleness' tongue?  But who am I to judge...

Note how you took my comment out of context, forgetting that I took into account the fact he believes the NOM to be valid but sacrilegious .

Go ahead and judge away, bucko.

What are y'all missing about participating in sacrilege being sinful???

Soulguard, In honesty I'd go to the retreat.  Monasteries are relatively safe from the full spirit of the robber council.  The Purpose of Monasteries is prayer and giving glory to god through a contemplative lifestyle.  If it can make your soul better go.  The SSPX is affiliated with a group of Benedictines in Nevada.  Avoid tricky theological matters.

You won't get your clothes dirty if you don't jump in the mud

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If you are so interested in visiting and possibly joining a monastery, why not look into the Resistance ones?

The Resistance only has one monastery as far as I know, and they speak spanish.
It is not reasonable to expect me to learn spanish. I hate that language.

???

Lot of similarities between Spanish and Latin.  Certainly much more than English and Latin.  What do you think of Latin?

C'mear, dont be trolling me just because I said I might go on a pilgrimage. Spanish is nothing like Latin, and you know that. Doesnt change the fact that I hate spanish, and Im not learning spanish, which is a disgusting language, just because some resistance monastery speaks only spanish. They ought to speak english, but then again they are made of the rejects of the rejects as +williamson says.
I find it interesting that people tell me to join a Resistance group and then tell me not to go to the novus ordo. Your heretic of a pope is mentioned in both masses is he not? So dont get superior with me. If you can compromise than so can I.

Pilgrimage?  LM_O

Pilgrimaging into conciliardom...

I agree with you that R&R has its problems.  But a sede thinking the NO is valid and thinking of "pilgimaging" into a conciliarist monastery is flat out schizophrenic.

And another thing--I only had 2 years of high school Spanish.  But I am well aware of the similarities with Latin.  I think you have a lot of learning to do.  I thought Soulguard was of a better temperament for learning than TCat was.  But he, too, of late wants to teach rather than learn and isn't very receptive of the responses he doesn't like to questions that he asks.

You learn something new every day.  
SG thinks that the NO is valid but sacrilegious.

A valid sacrilege.  Isn't that an oxymoron?

Why would anyone go to a sacrilege?  A valid sacrilege is even worse.

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If you are so interested in visiting and possibly joining a monastery, why not look into the Resistance ones?

The Resistance only has one monastery as far as I know, and they speak spanish.
It is not reasonable to expect me to learn spanish. I hate that language.

???

Lot of similarities between Spanish and Latin.  Certainly much more than English and Latin.  What do you think of Latin?

C'mear, dont be trolling me just because I said I might go on a pilgrimage. Spanish is nothing like Latin, and you know that. Doesnt change the fact that I hate spanish, and Im not learning spanish, which is a disgusting language, just because some resistance monastery speaks only spanish. They ought to speak english, but then again they are made of the rejects of the rejects as +williamson says.
I find it interesting that people tell me to join a Resistance group and then tell me not to go to the novus ordo. Your heretic of a pope is mentioned in both masses is he not? So dont get superior with me. If you can compromise than so can I.

Spanish is quite a bit more like Latin than English is.  If you hate Spanish with such arrogance, I can't imagine you having much more than mild disdain for Latin.  There are far more cognates between Spanish and Latin than there are between English and Latin, and of course, declensions and conjugatives.  

The issue isn't whether or not Francis is mentioned in the Canon.  You DO realize that the Novus Ordo is not an "English version" of the Latin Mass, yes?  I'm asking because you are new to the faith, and every week it becomes apparent that you are not aware of something that is instrumental to the traditional faith-- which is "fine" since you're learning, but nevertheless you owe it to yourself and to God especially to proceed with humility and with purpose of learning and directing your thoughts and your mind towards God and His Holy Religion, which is NOT found in the Novus Ordo.  

The issue of validity is un-important inasmuch as even if it is valid, that does not mean it is Catholic.  The schismatic Orthodox have valid masses, but you would not go to theirs, because it is not Catholic-- though the DL is more Catholic than the NO, ironically enough.  I digress.

So, Soulguard, have you ever attended a traditional Latin Mass?  Do you know that it is not just accidentally and extrinsically, but substantially and intrinsically different than the Novus Ordo service?

Its amazing how you all jump on the trolling bandwagon when some opportunity shows up for you to fit in with your peers on this board. Lots of stupid comments without any knowledge of what your'e talking about. I have gone to novus ordo monasteries for pilgrimages before and found the monks there to be orthodox. I found it a great spiritual help. What makes you think I would go to novus ordo mass while there? I never said that. And another thing, the novus ordo is a sacrilege when done in a vulgar common setting, but in the respectful atmosphere of a monastery it probably is not a sacrilege. I will judge for myself. And I judge what most of you say to be BS. You dont know the situation in monasteries in my country, and by the way, dont tell me that among the 1 billion "Catholics" that there are no Catholics amongst them, as if they are only to be found in your tiny little groups. I see the truth, and by the way, to hell with you for bringing up psychiatry, shows your loyalties to the secular world more than the church, and as for icterus, he is just a troll plain and simple who imagines i have some gripe on him when i dont care about him no matter what he says.

I will go to my pilgrimage if I want to, End of.

It seems as if you really were not looking for an answer but simply wanted someone to agree with you.

SG, why did you bother to ask for advice, if you're going to do what you darn well please anyway?
It makes no sense.