The other day I was in Church and found my attention being constantly distracted by a certain female of the species.  I'd look away and she was still in my peripheral vision.  I couldn't figure out why there was such a magnetic effect happening.

Then I figured it out -- she had a scooped-out top with two bra straps being plainly visible.  I think this was having a suggestive effect.  I saw it so often as a non-believer that it usually doesn't faze me, but in Church it was having some kind of subconscious pull on me.  

I try not to let too much Puritanism filter into my Catholicism, but I think everyone would agree this is not right, right?  Even seeing bare shoulders at Church felt weird to me.

Something else that bothers me, more than pants which get more discussion time -- knee-high boots.  Is it just me or do these have a trampy effect?  You can say "Oh, they cover lots of skin, what's wrong?" but I think these kind of boots on women are undeniably sexy, that is their purpose and design, just like with high heels when they were fashionable.  They somehow emphasize the calves and the legs in a provocative way.

Just more proof that modesty is a state of mind.  I am less bothered by loose-fitting pants than by certain details as cited above.  

You can somehow tell when a girl is trying to fit within the rules, but is applying certain little touches to make herself stand out.  This can be done even without subtly provocative touches of clothing or makeup, it can be done with a walk or a way of talking or with mannerisms.

I guess almost all of us do it to a certain extent, as long as we are relatively hale and hearty and young.  I try to make my hair look decent, for instance, and wear contact lenses.  More modesty comes with greater spiritual perfection.  It's very hard to overcome the desire to be admired for superficial, stupid reasons.  

Don't know what the heck stevus is getting at, but I know what you mean Raoul. The woman should not have been wearing such a thing. I've seen the knee-high boots before. Not at Church, but in general. I have a few relatives that wear them. I don't find them to be all that modest. Afterall, they don't provide the same leg-covering that long skirts or pants do.

That would be even worse. And considering the SSPX's strict dress code, I'd imagine that sede chapels are pretty strict about it as well. The priest probably didn't even notice. They're not as easy to detect as a person wearing blue jeans or a really short pair of pants.

I agree Raoul. It is this little streak of vanity that makes the entire soul sour, when it comes to women and dressing. Knee-high anything and visible bra straps are just that.. visual BS. And that individual will be responsible for any souls they trap with them down to hell, I think.


To address stevie the insignificant, you're sick man. Who are you, Rahm Emmanuel? Never waste a spiritual "emergency" to your own agenda's benefit. So by Raoul pointing out this issue in his quest for purity, you use it as a stepping stone to further the Novus ordo establishment by belittling sede chapels, trad chapels, etc etc. God will have justice on those , aka you, who turn to deceitful ways in order to lead His children into perdition.

I agree Raoul. It is this little streak of vanity that makes the entire soul sour, when it comes to women and dressing. Knee-high anything and visible bra straps are just that.. visual BS. And that individual will be responsible for any souls they trap with them down to hell, I think.


To address stevie the insignificant, you're sick man. Who are you, Rahm Emmanuel? Never waste a spiritual "emergency" to your own agenda's benefit. So by Raoul pointing out this issue in his quest for purity, you use it as a stepping stone to further the Novus ordo establishment by belittling sede chapels, trad chapels, etc etc. God will have justice on those , aka you, who turn to deceitful ways in order to lead His children into perdition.

I don't believe he was promoting the Novus Ordo, he was pexplexed as to how this was going on in a Sede chapel as it wouldn't fly at the SSPX.

You Sede's and Stevus seem to both be attacking each other in your threads and it is turning into near occasion of sin for each of you.

I would like to ask each of you, the Sede's and Stevus to have some self introspective. If you are getting angry with each other and seething with hatred for each other it is an indication of a problem and you must be careful because it can lead to sin. Neither of you seem to be taking the high road or when one of you tries the other dosn't let them.

This does not seem to me to be a charitable position on each of your sides. Perhaps you can have a nice chat somewhere and work out exactly what your postions are.

I see sometimes Stevus argues positions that most in the society do not hold. Or at least none that I've met. Just as sometimes the Sede's accuse us of holding positions that we do not hold.  

It also appears that each of you take each others statements out of context, from the outside looking in your threads don't end up making any sense.

This is not an attack on the sede's or Stevus. I am trying only to get you all to see that your constant bickering is not helpful to everyone else, newbies that come in looking for a good clean truly catholic chat or those who want to learn more about the faith. It is also not charitable in either side.

Thanks for reading.

The other day I was in Church and found my attention being constantly distracted by a certain female of the species.  I'd look away and she was still in my peripheral vision.  I couldn't figure out why there was such a magnetic effect happening.

Then I figured it out -- she had a scooped-out top with two bra straps being plainly visible.  I think this was having a suggestive effect.  I saw it so often as a non-believer that it usually doesn't faze me, but in Church it was having some kind of subconscious pull on me.  

I try not to let too much Puritanism filter into my Catholicism, but I think everyone would agree this is not right, right?  Even seeing bare shoulders at Church felt weird to me.

Something else that bothers me, more than pants which get more discussion time -- knee-high boots.  Is it just me or do these have a trampy effect?  You can say "Oh, they cover lots of skin, what's wrong?" but I think these kind of boots on women are undeniably sexy, that is their purpose and design, just like with high heels when they were fashionable.  They somehow emphasize the calves and the legs in a provocative way.

Just more proof that modesty is a state of mind.  I am less bothered by loose-fitting pants than by certain details as cited above.  

You can somehow tell when a girl is trying to fit within the rules, but is applying certain little touches to make herself stand out.  This can be done even without subtly provocative touches of clothing or makeup, it can be done with a walk or a way of talking or with mannerisms.

I guess almost all of us do it to a certain extent, as long as we are relatively hale and hearty and young.  I try to make my hair look decent, for instance, and wear contact lenses.  More modesty comes with greater spiritual perfection.  It's very hard to overcome the desire to be admired for superficial, stupid reasons.  

This would not fly at my SSPX chapel. In fact my Priest Father Webber had a sermon on Sunday about modesty. It was a very good sermon as are all of his in my opinion. The other Priests have good sermons too, but I really like Father Webber's.

Maybe we can have a discussion on proper dress for men and women. What are things that should not be done and what is the best way to dress?

I knew what you were saying but you should not say in your posts "You'd be better off going to X invalid mass" it is scandalous.  

Maybe saying "I am shocked that this occurs in your mass sir, I would not have thought that would happen anywhere except in x invalid mass"

Thanks.

What??   :confused1:

I never said anything about an invalid Mass....

I don't want to say too much about the girl because people that go to that chapel read this site and know who I am.  But she's not immodest at all.  She is "misinformed" I'd gather, let's put it that way.  

Once I saw a girl there wearing a very short skirt, people were commenting about it.  I figured she was new and indeed that turned out to be the case.  

I am fairly new also and while I realized visible bra straps wasn't right, I didn't think it was THAT scandalous.  I probably shouldn't have said anything and should have had someone say something privately to the girl.  Which in fact, is what I will do.  

I don't want to say anything more about that here, let's take it to a discussion about various ways of dress that are improper and leave it in the abstract.