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Offline Angelus

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Re: Vatican: TransɛҳuąƖs can be Baptized
« Reply #45 on: November 11, 2023, 08:02:28 PM »
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    • Quote from: trad123 on November 11, 2023, 07:30:55 PM

    Well, I wasn't thinking:


    can't (lawfully) receive the sacraments    ,


    but rather


    can't (validly) receive the sacraments.

    The situation is more complex.

    As St. Thomas explains, although in the case described above, "the character" would be imprinted (making the Sacrament "valid" and unrepeatable), because the sinner has not repented of the sin, "the reality" or "the grace" of the Sacrament would not be effected unless and until the sinner repented.

    The Church deems it "unlawful" to baptize a person who refuses to repent because it would be a sacrilege for the priest to confer a Sacrament that would not be effective of supernatural grace.

    Whether sinners should be baptized?
    https://aquinas.cc/la/en/~ST.III.Q68.A4
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    Re: Vatican: TransɛҳuąƖs can be Baptized
    « Reply #46 on: November 11, 2023, 11:42:34 PM »
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    • mhfm did a video explaining the problems with this

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    Re: Vatican: TransɛҳuąƖs can be Baptized
    « Reply #47 on: November 12, 2023, 12:05:32 AM »
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    • Quote from: Angelus on November 11, 2023, 08:02:28 PM
    The situation is more complex.

    As St. Thomas explains, although in the case described above, "the character" would be imprinted (making the Sacrament "valid" and unrepeatable), because the sinner has not repented of the sin, "the reality" or "the grace" of the Sacrament would not be effected unless and until the sinner repented.


    Yes, I agree, that's why I quoted from the Summa in Reply # 31.
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    Re: Vatican: TransɛҳuąƖs can be Baptized
    « Reply #48 on: November 12, 2023, 01:49:53 AM »
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    Re: Vatican: TransɛҳuąƖs can be Baptized
    « Reply #49 on: November 12, 2023, 07:21:43 AM »
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    “I want to clarify that this book was not written so much based on my own experience, but based on the lives of people who kiss.
    That includes the dudes who kissed him.::)


    What an a-hole, I am so sick of these fαɢɢօts destroying everything around us, most of all, the Church.
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    Re: Vatican: TransɛҳuąƖs can be Baptized
    « Reply #50 on: November 12, 2023, 07:23:42 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on November 09, 2023, 07:34:56 AM
    It's similar to how they put a senile buffoon in as President of the US ... they did it to humiliate the country.
    Exactly.

    They're clowning us.:clown:
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    Re: Vatican: TransɛҳuąƖs can be Baptized
    « Reply #51 on: November 12, 2023, 07:27:09 AM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on November 09, 2023, 09:55:56 AM
    But wait, there’s more!

    Apparently, transtesticals can also be godparents, and sodomitic couples can have “their” kids baptized too:

    https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/pope-francis-says-trans-people-can-be-godparents-ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ-parents-can-have-children-baptized/?utm_source=featured-news&utm_campaign=usa
    I predict the next "pope" will be a trans, not like the closet geriatric fag we have in their now.

    Then the "transition" of the "church" will be complete.
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    Re: Vatican: TransɛҳuąƖs can be Baptized
    « Reply #52 on: November 12, 2023, 07:29:37 AM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on November 10, 2023, 09:45:31 PM

    All of them must give up their sinful ways and repent before they are baptized. An adulterer who plans on continuing in his adultery can’t be baptized. A Tranny who continues living an immoral life believing that he can change his sex, can’t be baptized. This is all supposing that they are wanting to be validly and licitly baptized in the Church.
    You will ACCOMPANY them just the way they are, all are welcome under Franks big tent no matter what.

    Except CATHOLICS!
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    Re: Vatican: TransɛҳuąƖs can be Baptized
    « Reply #53 on: November 12, 2023, 07:32:17 AM »
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    • Quote from: OABrownson1876 on November 10, 2023, 12:05:42 PM
    "Rome will become the seat of antichrist"  Our Lady of LaSalette  It is all starting to come into focus now.  The Sanhedrin had its Caiaphas, and we have our Francis. 
    Except Caiaphas went after what he thought was a revolutionary.

    Francis IS the revolutionary.
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    Re: Vatican: TransɛҳuąƖs can be Baptized
    « Reply #54 on: November 12, 2023, 07:46:21 AM »
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    • Quote from: Geremia on November 11, 2023, 03:52:40 PM
    And "transɛҳuąƖs" can stop pretending to be the sex they are not.
    Really?


    I see. So, how does one stop pretending?  Replace the surgically-removed natural-born parts with manufactured items?

    We are not talking about "mere" take-it-on-and-off cross-dressing, but chemical and permanent surgical alterations.

    Undo that.

    Again… it is becoming increasingly clear that you want to miss the point.
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    Offline Mark 79

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    Re: Vatican: TransɛҳuąƖs can be Baptized
    « Reply #55 on: November 12, 2023, 07:53:13 AM »
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    • Quote from: Geremia on November 11, 2023, 03:56:35 PM
    The same can be said about murderers and adulterers. If they keep murdering or committing adultery after baptism, that shows they reject the natural law, too.
    Murderers and adulterers cannot properly raise Catholic children because their bad example contradicts the faith.
    Your analogy is less than weak; it is bullshit.

    Since trannies present with permanent surgical alterations, a repentent murderer who is not murdering at the moment of requesting Baptism is not an accurate analogy.

    Since trannies present with permanent surgical alterations, a murderer in the act of murdering is the proper analogy. "Father, I'd like to be Baptized… oh… 'scuuuze me while I murder this guy."  What crap.

    Defend that!
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    Re: Vatican: TransɛҳuąƖs can be Baptized
    « Reply #56 on: November 12, 2023, 07:58:35 AM »
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    • Quote from: trad123 on November 11, 2023, 04:24:51 PM

    Which is irrelevant in regards to the validity of the sacrament.
    I am not disputing the validity of a true Baptism.  I am affirming a discipline of not Baptizing people who manifestly continue in opposing Catholic morals and dogma.

    Quote from: trad123 on November 11, 2023, 07:30:55 PM


    Well, I wasn't thinking:


    can't (lawfully) receive the sacraments    ,


    but rather


    can't (validly) receive the sacraments.

    That's right. You were so "not thinking" that you fingered me about "validitiy" when I never raised the subject of validity.
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    Re: Vatican: TransɛҳuąƖs can be Baptized
    « Reply #57 on: November 12, 2023, 08:46:43 AM »
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    • Genesis 1-11. 

    No, the unholy can’t be baptized.

    Any unholy docuмent on October 31st is satanic. 
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    Re: Vatican: TransɛҳuąƖs can be Baptized
    « Reply #58 on: November 12, 2023, 04:20:03 PM »
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    • Quote from: Mark 79 on November 12, 2023, 07:46:21 AM
    how does one stop pretending?
    By admitting one's mistake of mutilating his or her body and considering oneself the sex assigned at birth.

    The remains of sin persist after baptism, whether they're bodily apparent (as in the case of body mutilators) or not.
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    Re: Vatican: TransɛҳuąƖs can be Baptized
    « Reply #59 on: November 12, 2023, 04:28:15 PM »
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    • Quote from: Mark 79 on November 12, 2023, 07:53:13 AM
    trannies present with permanent surgical alterations
    The mutilations they undergo do not place them in a new, permanent state.
    "Sex change" mutilations do not change one's sex.
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