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Offline Mark 79

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Re: Vatican: TransɛҳuąƖs can be Baptized
« Reply #105 on: August 01, 2024, 06:48:29 PM »
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    • Quote from: Mark 79 on July 27, 2024, 08:16:18 PM
    In this thread Geremia never recanted his conflation of an unfortunate unwilled birth defect (congenital hermaphroditism) with willful sɛҳuąƖ mutilation (surgical transɛҳuąƖism).

    If someone is caught in an accidental mistake (e.g., "Hey, your fly is open."), no ill will can be imputed… however, once the mistake is pointed and you refuse to fix the mistake, it is reasonable to consider that the "mistake" is actually intentional. 

    So, over 8 months since you were called on your error, you still haven't acknowledged or recanted the "mistake."

    Geremia, you are long overdue "zipping up"!
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    Re: Vatican: TransɛҳuąƖs can be Baptized
    « Reply #106 on: August 01, 2024, 07:10:39 PM »
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    • Quote from: Marcellinus on August 01, 2024, 04:33:43 PM
    With all due respect, that doesn't even make sense.  You can't be in a state of grace without having been baptized. 

    I sometimes read your posts and simply want to ask you, "Are you ok?" 
    Yes. It does make sense. Yes. I’m fine.   

    An adult practicing sodomite shouldn’t be baptized at all.    

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    Offline Geremia

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    Re: Vatican: TransɛҳuąƖs can be Baptized
    « Reply #107 on: August 01, 2024, 07:10:57 PM »
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    • Mark, do you deny baptism to detransitioners, too?
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    Re: Vatican: TransɛҳuąƖs can be Baptized
    « Reply #108 on: August 01, 2024, 07:12:13 PM »
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    • Quote from: TheRealMcCoy on November 10, 2023, 07:05:48 AM
    I was baptized as an adult. Repentance was a requirement for the baptism to take place. That was about 25 years ago in an NO church.  I guess things have changed since then.
    Thank you. 
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    Re: Vatican: TransɛҳuąƖs can be Baptized
    « Reply #109 on: August 01, 2024, 07:12:48 PM »
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    • Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey on August 01, 2024, 07:10:39 PM
    An adult practicing sodomite shouldn’t be baptized at all.
    It would be better for them were they not baptized (lesser punishment in hell), but they can be baptized.
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    Re: Vatican: TransɛҳuąƖs can be Baptized
    « Reply #110 on: August 01, 2024, 07:18:09 PM »
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    • Quote from: Geremia on August 01, 2024, 07:12:48 PM
    It would be better for them were they not baptized (lesser punishment in hell), but they can be baptized.
    Quote from: Geremia on June 03, 2024, 04:44:30 PM

    Yes, "The Pill" can be contraceptive or contragestive (preventing implantation, thus starving the baby, thus abortifacient).

    Catechism of the Council of Trent on matrimony:
    How odd that you can understand an important contraceptive/contragestive distinction, but for 8 months have evaded acknowledging the difference between willful acts and unwilled acts.

    Do you now understand and acknowledge the difference between unwilled congenital defects and willed sɛҳuąƖ mutilation?
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    Re: Vatican: TransɛҳuąƖs can be Baptized
    « Reply #111 on: August 01, 2024, 11:10:22 PM »
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    • Quote from: Mark 79 on August 01, 2024, 07:18:09 PM
    willed sɛҳuąƖ mutilation
    Baptism erases all sins.
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    Re: Vatican: TransɛҳuąƖs can be Baptized
    « Reply #112 on: August 02, 2024, 01:55:33 AM »
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    • Quote from: Geremia on August 01, 2024, 11:10:22 PM
    Baptism erases all sins.
    Non-responsive and evasive. The effect of Baptism is NOT in question and NEVER was in question.

    You defended the public baptism of trannies (willful sɛҳuąƖ mutilation) by pretending their baptism fell under the rubric of baptism of hermaphrodites (unwilled congenital defects).

    In essence your 8 months of evasion is akin to equating willful masturbation with unwilled nocturnal emissions. Do you also excuse masturbation (willed) because nocturnal emissions (unwilled) are sinless?

    Why do you continue to evade admitting that there is a significant difference between willful sɛҳuąƖ mutilation (trannies) and unwilled congenital defects (hermaphroditis,)???

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    Re: Vatican: TransɛҳuąƖs can be Baptized
    « Reply #113 on: August 02, 2024, 02:18:09 AM »
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    • Quote from: Geremia on August 01, 2024, 07:10:57 PM
    Mark, do you deny baptism to detransitioners, too?

    No, certainly I do not "deny" Baptism to any reoentant sinner.

    My answer is unequivocal, responsive, and non-evasive.

    Neither Baptism's effect nor Baptism's availability to repentant sinners have ever been in question by me or anyone else on CathInfo. You bring it up as yet another diversion, another evasion in your 8 months of evasion!

    You defended the public baptism of trannies (willful sɛҳuąƖ mutilation) by pretending their baptism fell under the rubric of baptism of hermaphrodites (unwilled congenital defects).

    In essence your 8 months of evasion is akin to equating willful masturbation with unwilled nocturnal emissions. Do you also excuse masturbation (willed) because nocturnal emissions (unwilled) are sinless?

    Why do you continue to evade admitting that there is a pivotal difference between willful sɛҳuąƖ mutilation (trannies) and unwilled congenital defects (hermaphroditism)???

    One of the most basic elements of sin is the intention, the willfulness, yet you have evaded that key issue for 8 months.
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    Re: Vatican: TransɛҳuąƖs can be Baptized
    « Reply #114 on: August 02, 2024, 02:39:36 AM »
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    • Why is it, Geremia. that you can quote passages from the St Thomas Aquinas's Summa, yet you refuse to admit and apply the most basic element of sin, willful intention?

    Why?
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    Re: Vatican: TransɛҳuąƖs can be Baptized
    « Reply #115 on: August 02, 2024, 09:14:57 AM »
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    • We could suspect that Geremia is some kind of infiltrator, but his general behaviour does not seem to support this.

    My take is that he is not well educated in the faith and that he avoids confrontation, probably because of his temperament.

    When questioned bluntly, he retreats or gives simple, short and childish answers.
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    Re: Vatican: TransɛҳuąƖs can be Baptized
    « Reply #116 on: August 02, 2024, 11:33:38 AM »
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    • Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey on August 01, 2024, 07:10:39 PM
    Yes. It does make sense. Yes. I’m fine. 

    An adult practicing sodomite shouldn’t be baptized at all.   
    How can one be a in a state of grace without baptism?

    And you are correct, no unrepentant sinner should be baptized.
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    Re: Vatican: TransɛҳuąƖs can be Baptized
    « Reply #117 on: August 02, 2024, 01:52:33 PM »
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    • Quote from: Marcellinus on August 02, 2024, 11:33:38 AM
    And you are correct, no unrepentant sinner should be baptized.
    What's being debated is whether they "can be Baptized" (title of this thread), not whether they should be.
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    Re: Vatican: TransɛҳuąƖs can be Baptized
    « Reply #118 on: August 02, 2024, 01:54:10 PM »
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    • Quote from: Mark 79 on August 02, 2024, 02:39:36 AM
    the most basic element of sin, willful intention?
    Yes, all sin is willful. Your point?
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    Re: Vatican: TransɛҳuąƖs can be Baptized
    « Reply #119 on: August 02, 2024, 01:54:56 PM »
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    • Quote from: Mark 79 on August 02, 2024, 02:18:09 AM
    Why do you continue to evade admitting that there is a pivotal difference between willful sɛҳuąƖ mutilation (trannies) and unwilled congenital defects (hermaphroditism)?
    Of course there is, but my point in bringing up hermaphrodites is that the Church bars them from the priesthood, but not from baptism.
    Are you debating the question of whether "TransɛҳuąƖs can be Baptized" or whether they should be?
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