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Once “religious content” originating from outside the earth “has been verified” we will have to conduct “a re-reading [of the Gospel] inclusive of the new data…”
according to
– Vatican Astronomer, Theologian and Full Professor of Fundamental Theology at the Pontificia Università della Santa Croce in Rome [Connected With Opus Dei], Father Giuseppe Tanzella-Nitti

Giuseppe Tanzella-Nitti wrote about Christianity’s relation to the concept of alien extra-terrestrial life from outer space, “Extraterrestrial life,” Interdisciplinary Encyclopedia of Religion and Science, 2008 AD.

“In the more narrowly scientific realm, the 19th century’s enthusiasm for a possible “close encounter” with other inhabitants of the solar system has been replaced by the methodical research for elementary life forms or pre-biotic material in environments similar to our solar system, not to mention the initiation of long-term programs in radio-astronomic exploration of more remote environments…”

“The theme of cosmic life is brought to today’s culture by science, not philosophy. It reaches the public mostly through the mass media, literature of different genres, and certain other artistic expressions. It suffices to think of the science-fiction novels of H.G. Wells, author of War of the Worlds (1898), which continue to inspire, even after a century, films like Star Wars (from 1977 onward) by George Lucas…”

“Thomas Paine (1737-1809), The Age of Reason (1793), a text that for the first time directly proposed a radical incompatibility between the Christian religion and the existence of intelligent extraterrestrial life. According to Paine, the discovery of non-terrestrial life would inevitably lead to a repudiation of religion:

‘Are we to suppose that every world in the boundless creation had an Eve, an apple, a serpent and a redeemer? In this case, the person who is irreverently called the Son of God, and sometimes God himself, would have nothing else to do than to travel from world to world, in an endless succession of death, with scarcely a momentary interval of life’ (The Age of Reason, New York 1961, p. 283)…”

Well, at least Thomas Paine admits that Jesus is “called…God himself.” One option is that perhaps extra-terrestrial aliens did not experience a fall into sin and are thus, sinless. This is something about which Catholic officials have speculated. Of course, if they are sinless then they could have been our saviors and Jesus need not have died. In fact, this is how may view the extra-terrestrial aliens and why the place their hopes, their “faith” in them.

Moreover, keep in mind that YHVH has different means of judging different beings. For example, Jesus came to seek and save those who were lost: sinners. However, the fallen non-human beings (angels, cherubim, etc.) have no chance at salvation.

“The point of departure for most theological reflections basically remains [German theologian Joseph] Pohle’s thesis: the Creator’s greatness and glory are compatible with the gift of life and of intelligent life in the cosmos, also in numerous environments other than the Earth, although we do not know what God’s plans are for these creatures.

“I believe that the theme of possible intelligent life of extraterrestrial origin, i.e., intelligent life outside the experience of unity of the human family as presented by the entire biblical message, represents one of the major speculative efforts facing Christian theology…

what the ʝʊdɛօ-Christian tradition professes about the existence of angels. This tradition shows that the meaning of creation is not completely based on the relationship between man and God, “but remains open to other creatures,” which, although likewise dependent on God, have a history and an economy of salvation distinct from that of humankind…”

Actually, “the relationship between Christianity and the other religions” is not “The only available analogy for our topic” but, as noted above, the best analogy is the relationship between Christianity and the other sentient beings aka demons some of whom pretend to be extra-terrestrial aliens much in the same way that, “Satan disguises himself as an angel of light” (2 Corinthians 11:14).

It is not surprising that a Catholic would refer to universalism, “salvific universality” as they believe in one way of salvation for “the faithful” and other ways of salvation for non-Catholics. Now “salvific universality” is literally going universal in that, or so it is claimed, it “remains open to other creatures.” Well, of course, if other extra-terrestrial aliens creatures need it and YHVH offers it to them then that is wonderful.

Yet, let us be vigilant of the appearance of other extra-terrestrial aliens creatures who claim to know “God” or even “Jesus” but come to straighten us out with regards to our, Christian, theology. They may preach the mystical “Jesus” who tapped into the Christ consciousness which is something we all can do, etc. (of course, this very popular New Age/Theosophy view is preempted by the New Testament which states that at His very time of birth the angels proclaimed to the shepherds, “...today in the city of David there has been born for you a Savior, who is Christ the Lord” Luke 2:11, thus, Jesus was “the Christ” from birth).

“…a believer who is respectful of the requirements of scientific reasoning would not be obliged to renounce his own faith in God simply on the basis of the reception of new, unexpected information of a religious character from extraterrestrial civilizations. In the first place, human reason itself would suggest the need to submit this new “religious content” coming from outside the Earth to an analysis of reasonableness and credibility (analogous to what we are accustomed to do when any religious content is proposed to us, on Earth); once the trustworthiness of the information has been verified, the believer should try to reconcile such new information with the truth that he or she already knows and believes on the basis of the revelation of the One and Triune God, conducting a re-reading inclusive of the new data, similar to that which would be applied in an ordinary interreligious dialogue.

http://www.truefreethinker.com/articles/giuseppe-tanzella-nitti-comments-christianity-and-%E2%80%9Cextraterrestrial-life%E2%80%9D


I lookled up this website and here is what it said in response to

The Rev. Jose Gabriel Funes, the Jesuit director of the Vatican Observatory, was quoted as saying the vastness of the universe means it is possible there could be other forms of life outside Earth, even intelligent ones. "How can we rule out that life may have developed elsewhere?" Funes said. "Just as we consider earthly creatures as 'a brother' and 'sister,' why should we not talk about an 'extraterrestrial brother'? It would still be part of creation..............."

To make a long story short, Roman Catholicism began from a background of various bishops with equal authority overseeing various cities. Then the Bishop of Rome claimed supreme authority. They it was claimed that there was no salvation without adherence to the Bishop of Rome aka the Pope. Later, and likewise, it was claimed that anyone contradicting Roman Catholic doctrine or dogma was anathema—eternally condemned. Then the Roman Catholic church decided that Muslims who did not convert to Catholicism or any form of Christianity are saved (see CCC# 841). One century Protestants were condemned to hell and the next they were “separated brethren.” And then, of course, the Vatican just went totally universalist (only condemning to hell ex-Catholics): the Pope was anointed by a Hindu. People kiss the Pope’s ring to show their allegiance to his authority, what does it mean when the Pope kissed the Qur'an? In short, Roman Catholicism is currently encouraging and celebrating each and every, all, false and YHVH condemned theologies and practices.
But how to, really truly logically and theologically, claim salvation by each and every non-, un- and anti-biblical wide path/road which humanity has (ill) conceived?
Why was it necessary for Jesus to incarnate, live, die and rise again for us? Because being sinless, He was eligible to take our sins upon Himself.'

Now I do not know Cera if this is an atheist or Catholic website, but the question of 'other worlds' and aliens has been long declared heresy by the Fathers and early popes (See A. A. Martinez book Burned Alive). This heresy crept back into the Church when in 1820-1835 popes allowed an evolved solar-system to be believed as a truth in preference a created geocentric world. You see if manking evolved on an evolved planet, then why couldn't other such worlds with intelligent life like ours evolve all around other suns (stars)? Now we face more Christs or finding ourselves in Heaven or Hell with all kinds of aliens. Now when you bring Catholicism down to that level you are dealing with NONSENSE.  And that is how and why more and more not see Catholicism as NONSENSE.


I lookled up this website and here is what it said in response to

The Rev. Jose Gabriel Funes, the Jesuit director of the Vatican Observatory, was quoted as saying the vastness of the universe means it is possible there could be other forms of life outside Earth, even intelligent ones. "How can we rule out that life may have developed elsewhere?" Funes said. "Just as we consider earthly creatures as 'a brother' and 'sister,' why should we not talk about an 'extraterrestrial brother'? It would still be part of creation..............."

To make a long story short, Roman Catholicism began from a background of various bishops with equal authority overseeing various cities. Then the Bishop of Rome claimed supreme authority. They it was claimed that there was no salvation without adherence to the Bishop of Rome aka the Pope. Later, and likewise, it was claimed that anyone contradicting Roman Catholic doctrine or dogma was anathema—eternally condemned. Then the Roman Catholic church decided that Muslims who did not convert to Catholicism or any form of Christianity are saved (see CCC# 841). One century Protestants were condemned to hell and the next they were “separated brethren.” And then, of course, the Vatican just went totally universalist (only condemning to hell ex-Catholics): the Pope was anointed by a Hindu. People kiss the Pope’s ring to show their allegiance to his authority, what does it mean when the Pope kissed the Qur'an? In short, Roman Catholicism is currently encouraging and celebrating each and every, all, false and YHVH condemned theologies and practices.
But how to, really truly logically and theologically, claim salvation by each and every non-, un- and anti-biblical wide path/road which humanity has (ill) conceived?
Why was it necessary for Jesus to incarnate, live, die and rise again for us? Because being sinless, He was eligible to take our sins upon Himself.'

Now I do not know Cera if this is an atheist or Catholic website, but the question of 'other worlds' and aliens has been long declared heresy by the Fathers and early popes (See A. A. Martinez book Burned Alive). This heresy crept back into the Church when in 1820-1835 popes allowed an evolved solar-system to be believed as a truth in preference a created geocentric world. You see if manking evolved on an evolved planet, then why couldn't other such worlds with intelligent life like ours evolve all around other suns (stars)? Now we face more Christs or finding ourselves in Heaven or Hell with all kinds of aliens. Now when you bring Catholicism down to that level you are dealing with NONSENSE.  And that is how and why more and more not see Catholicism as NONSENSE.
I agree.
I posted this to raise awareness of the "fake staged alien invasion" being pushed by the media and now also the Vatican.

Well, at least Thomas Paine admits that Jesus is “called…God himself.” One option is that perhaps extra-terrestrial aliens did not experience a fall into sin and are thus, sinless. This is something about which Catholic officials have speculated. Of course, if they are sinless then they could have been our saviors and Jesus need not have died. In fact, this is how may view the extra-terrestrial aliens and why the place their hopes, their “faith” in them.
This is an absolute non sequitur.  It took God dying in the flesh to redeem us from sin.  Nothing less would do.  Even if these extra-terrestrials existed and were sinless, they would not be God.  They would be as Adam and Eve were before the Fall.  Nothing they could do --- not even dying themselves --- would redeem us, save us, and open heaven for us.

First of that would be IF there were to be alien life that we would learn about.