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Offline Dulcamara

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« Reply #60 on: April 11, 2008, 11:59:30 PM »
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  •  The fact that the film seemed to stick to "intelligent design" as opposed to outright creationism (what's the difference?!) was kind of disappointing... but then let's face it, it's still a very good step in the right direction.

     When Chesterton wrote some of his articles, it seems (unless I'm mistaken) that he wrote them from a totally objective point of view. He used things like the French Revolution to make points, when most of us simply would not have. But Chesterton, perhaps... and I say perhaps because I don't know his motives for certain... I think knew that you can preach to the choir or you can be a sheep in wolves' clothing. ANd in the modern, atheistic world, that is pretty much the line one has to tow in order to get any ounce of truth out there.

    As long as "intelligent design" doesn't conflict with creationism, then it is a very good step in the right direction. However, as long as it indeed does not conflict with creationism, then it is an effective means in any case for exposing the lies and defending or guiding one to the complete truth.

    If one suggests half of the truth, and insists that this one half is in itself true, it is no damage, I think, to the whole picture. It simply is one part of it. It is only when one insists that something false is true that it becomes wrong. If this film insists upon or exposes the truth that we were designed by a higher intelligence, it still tells the truth. Just not all of it.

    Granted, the fact that it doesn't tell all of it is not really a good thing. But getting countless people to even consider any part of the truth IS a good thing.
    I renounce any and all of my former views against what the Church through Pope Leo XIII said, "This, then, is the teaching of the Catholic Church ...no one of the several forms of government is in itself condemned, inasmuch as none of them contains anythi

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    « Reply #61 on: April 12, 2008, 12:14:30 AM »
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  • This is the year of Our Lord 2008.

    There is nothing "obvious" about what nominal Catholics can be expected to believe.

    One of the most influential Catholic Religious Thinkers of the Twentieth Century, Teilhard de Chardin, obviously did not even believe in God the Father Almighty or in Jesus Christ, His Son, Our Lord.

    As to being satisfied, we ought not to be satisfied with the absurdities that Men of [Natural] Science utter on the subject of Evolution. Those are the absurdities that we should be worried about. All this ID hysteria is a lot of Chicken Little play-acting.

    And we ought not to be satisfied that God is excluded from the Modern Classroom by Godless Men of Science.

    The most important thing to remember is that the really important thing in life is to know Christ Jesus and to believe the True Roman Faith and comply with Grace so as to gain salvation.

    Modern Academe is basically a means of Godless brainwashing and ritualized corruption of minds. I am automatically sympathetic to anything coming from the side of believers that destabilizes the Beastly soul-murderers who run Our Schools.

    If I wince because a well-meaning Bible Thumper introduces a quote from the Epistle to the Galatians into a discussion of molecular biology directed at "Men of Science", I have not conceded anything to the latter miscreants.

    Learned Jesuits and Dominicans did not make such mistakes when they were fighting Evolutionism seventy, eighty years ago and properly trained Catholics don't make them now.

    What properly trained Catholics and maybe some less of the hopelessly fideistic Bible Thumpers could work out is a system of objection to the most egregiously anti-God and fantastical aspects of Evolutionary theory as it is actually taught to schoolchildren.

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    EXPELLED....

    Can't argue with facts, folks. That about sums things up. Not just I.D. theory. God is EXPELLED too. Reason is EXPELLED. Decency is EXPELLED. Truth is EXPELLED. Honesty is EXPELLED.

    So what can we really do about the injustice of it all?

    What, realistically speaking, is the little bit of cyanide that we can sprinkle on Teacher's apple, Teacher being the Prince of Darkness and the Father of Lies?

    A purely negative approach to their theory as opposed to the  offering of a alternative might be harder for the Evolutionist fanatics to fight. Just keep saying, "But what about?... No, because you just said...Uh-uh... Nope... Sorry, but no way... Oh, really? I don't think so... Apparently you forgot about... You don't want the Bible in the Science Classroom, wiseguy? Then stop MOCKING the Bible in the Science Classroom or I'll write about your blasphemies in the paper of this small mostly Baptist community and have your job on a stick..."

    It's important to take a firm and unyielding hand with these people and to put the fear of God in them. That's what struck me as I read the court docuмent linked above. I have followed this method in my time and had good results. Your manner should be cool and dry.

    Of course, children shouldn't be exposed to them in the first place. I think that that's an important point to make, since we're discussing a movie called EXPELLED. On the other hand, concerned citizens certainly should care about what goes on in the dens of iniquity called schools and do what they can...

    I'd like to post a few citations from learned Catholic priests writing about Evolution in the 1920s and 1930s. I would like to see younger Catholics who perhaps in an understandable straw-clutching mindset have become dangerously familiar with the Bible Thumper world become more and more familiar with the treasures of wisdom produced by REAL Christian faith and a truly perfect society.





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    « Reply #62 on: April 12, 2008, 02:33:16 PM »
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    Since I doubt very much that Gladius uncovered on his own that most fields of science are nothing but deception, I would expect some kind of something to support his claim.


    As I never claimed this, such proof shall never be put forward.  Most of them men who work in these fields, unwittingly or consciously, work to deceive (often by merely repeating some long-exposed lie that still makes the rounds).  The simple fact is that one is either of the truth or he is not.  Most moderns, scientists and others, are not of the truth.  Look around you if you want mountains of proof.  As for specifics relating to physical science, look at Peking Man, Ernst Haeckel, radiocarbon dating, etc.  The list of items that can be discussed is practically endless.  Modern men, including most scientists, are not of the truth.  "He that is not with Me is against Me."
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    « Reply #63 on: April 12, 2008, 02:36:07 PM »
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  • As for a modern clerical scholar who put forth some unorthodox ideas on these matters, an old professor from my alma mater by the name of Fr. Zahm comes to mind.
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."

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    « Reply #64 on: April 13, 2008, 08:51:33 AM »
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  • Quote from: gladius_veritatis
    As for specifics relating to physical science, look at Peking Man, Ernst Haeckel, radiocarbon dating, etc.  The list of items that can be discussed is practically endless.  Modern men, including most scientists, are not of the truth.  "He that is not with Me is against Me."


    You would need to provide your grief about carbon dating and the Peking man, and in themselves, what light they bring to the discussion.

    But Ernst Haeckel, are you serious ?  If there is anything, Ernst Haeckel is a testament to the self correcting nature of the scientific method and peer review process. Why would you bring him up since his controversial ideas only have historical value ?


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    « Reply #65 on: April 14, 2008, 12:44:42 PM »
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  • I shall explain myself in greater detail when I have the time - which I do not at present.  God speed, my friend.
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    « Reply #66 on: April 14, 2008, 04:21:36 PM »
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  • It would seem that an example of a hoax perpetrated by Modern Men of Science desperate to shore up one of their pet theories sheds SOME light on a discussion in which it has been claimed that Modern Men of Science are charlatans.

    It's easy to use reverential phrases such as "peer review process." Reality tells a very different story about how Godless Scientists, caught in hoaxes and absurdities and lies, have to be dragged kicking and screaming to admissions that could give aid and comfort to the God-people whom they, above all else, including Science, want to scandalize and destroy.

    Modern Men of Science are and have always been mindless slaves to the whims of the Revolutionary mob.

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    « Reply #67 on: April 14, 2008, 04:45:27 PM »
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  • But the tale of PILTDOWN Man is the ultimate example of one of Modern Science's hoaxes. And that tale even has a whodunit Murder Mystery attached! With Peking Man it's more a question of junky science than of hoax.

    The Modern Man of Science is not only a Godless liar. He is also an insufferably self-righteous prig. He waves bones in the air as though they were Caesar's bloody shroud and dogmatizes about them at the expense of the the Lord God of Israel and His faithful ones. Then, when he has to admit that he was wrong on this point or that, he perversely turns the fact of his own insolent and fanatical dogmatism against his critics and says, "If you knew anything about Science, you would know that this is how Science is done: you boldly make hypotheses on the basis of available data and wait for it all to pan out as further advances in knowledge are made."


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    « Reply #68 on: April 14, 2008, 06:04:34 PM »
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    It's easy to use reverential phrases such as "peer review process." Reality tells a very different story about how Godless Scientists, caught in hoaxes and absurdities and lies, have to be dragged kicking and screaming to admissions that could give aid and comfort to the God-people whom they, above all else, including Science, want to scandalize and destroy.


    Bolster aside, the above IS the peer review process.

    It's little matter how easy or reverential it is to say it.  The scientific method is greatly served by the peer review process..

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    « Reply #69 on: April 14, 2008, 06:12:49 PM »
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  • Yes, that certainly IS the peer review process as it relates to the questions with which we are dealing.

    And that's why it's not a question of the Modern Man of Science's ever learning anything about true Science and about himself and about the hypocrisy of his contempt for "uncritical and scientifically illiterate God-people" but rather about his plotting his next hoax, his next absurdity, or his next lie, even as he is dragged kicking and screaming to an admission about his latest hoax, absurdity, or lie.

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    « Reply #70 on: April 14, 2008, 06:19:52 PM »
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  • I meant to say of course that it was the result of a peer review process, which forces one to publish his work for consideration and replication by others for verification.  I really regret the edit function

    You seem aligned with Gladius, Cletus. perhaps you can help him get into specifics rather then staying in the relatively comfortable and malleable world of concepts.


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    « Reply #71 on: April 14, 2008, 07:28:32 PM »
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  • Gladius already mentioned the specifics of Peking Man and Haeckel and indicated that when he has the time he will pursue these matters further in these pages.

    We must be patient.

    I don't know about being aligned with anyone else. Maybe the alignment in this case with someone else is a function of being commonly aligned with proper notions of Catholic orthodoxy.

    I'm a Specifics Man myself. That's why, among a few others, I gave the specific of the corruption of the papyrology and archaeology worlds by the Godless fanaticism of the Modern Man of Science against Sacred Scripture. This was a personal disaster for me. What I really wanted to be when I was young was a papyrologist. Now look at me. I suppose that I could have been braver and seen how long I could have lasted before I was brought up on charges in the Court of Modern Science of having demurred too heatedly when a Peer hypothesized that all apparently ancient Biblical texts were forged at the Moody Bible Institute in 1892...

    I don't see how the world of "concepts" is any more malleable than the world of "specifics." Look how Godless and dirty-minded Evolutionists are always teaching schoolchildren that Evolutionary Science has established that women who have married older men are biologically programmed to commit adultery with younger men and that's all there is to it.

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    « Reply #72 on: April 14, 2008, 07:44:51 PM »
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    I don't see how the world of "concepts" is any more malleable than the world of "specifics." Look how Godless and dirty-minded Evolutionists are always teaching schoolchildren that Evolutionary Science has established that women who have married older men are biologically programmed to commit adultery with younger men and that's all there is to it.


    I'm not sure what I mean exactly myself.  I'm a bit sloppy tonight and should refrain from posting.

    I suppose by "specifics" I mean something I can look up, and say, yes your right, or no because...  The above you wrote exist, no doubt, but it's a minding right ?  It's individuals right ?  The above is not a result of the scientific method, but rather of a certain humanism or something of sort.

    Where you speak of educators and propagation of common basic science, I have cutting edge science in mind and the mechanism that pushes it forward.

    Will be all for today.

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    « Reply #73 on: April 14, 2008, 08:29:03 PM »
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  • Why not consider BOTH specifics and concepts? That's a big problem in our time where people either hinge on more to the abstract universal ideas or get too involved in particulars. I suppose it is the bouncing back and forth between reason and the senses, or between Plato and Aristotle. Many have gotten so involved in details that they neglect what is fixed and universal.
    So it follows then that evolution as a philosophy and an explanation like macroevolution would make sense for many if they already have assumptions not based on fixed and universal principles.
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    « Reply #74 on: April 16, 2008, 02:30:25 PM »
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    But the tale of PILTDOWN Man is the ultimate example of one of Modern Science's hoaxes....


    I actually had Piltdown, Peking, and Java "Men" in my original post, but decided to go with just one at first.  I had Piltdown in mind when I was writing, not Peking.  Sorry.

    What is more pathetic about that one is the role of a priest - the notorious Teilhard de Chardin.  What a sham it all was.
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