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Offline Miseremini

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Unschooling
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    Re: Unschooling
    « Reply #1 on: Yesterday at 02:13:03 PM »
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  • Any thoughts from homeschoolers?
    https://ca.style.yahoo.com/unschooling-movement-going-viral-people-023103056.html
    It wouldn't be allowed in many states.  Such states require, among other things, a minimum number of days of instruction, following (to a greater or lesser extent depending on the state) traditional core subjects such as English, math, and science, with records kept of what is studied, and many states require standardized testing.  It would have to be an awfully education-rich household for such things to be imparted organically without some sort of plan.

    For some unknown reason, my son was reading, and understanding what he read, before he turned three years old.  One day, without prompting, he was reading aloud, of all things, the safety label on a set of gas burners for our fireplace (it's not connected to propane and we've never used it).  Another time, he had a set of wooden letters laid out on the floor and, again, without prompting, spelled... "Quebec".  He's never had the slightest problem reading anything that is put in front of him, and he has always been a prodigious writer.  I mention this because, I suppose, a child could self-educate organically, but such education would inevitably have gaps, some of them crucial ones.

    As to record-keeping and curriculum, I created a plan that fulfilled all of our state's requirements, and graded in accord with state standards.  My son's quarterly grade reports and high school transcript (both of which I designed myself) are indistinguishable from those of a public or private day school, you would have to be told that it is from a home school.  I couldn't find any record-keeping tools on the market that did what I wanted to them to do, so I just made my own using a spreadsheet program.  Again, you would have to be told.


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    Re: Unschooling
    « Reply #2 on: Yesterday at 08:53:57 PM »
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  • That article actually sums up my thoughts pretty well. The writer did a good job of covering the pros and cons. I like the lady that reached the compromise of structure where it matters most (imo, that would be religion, math, language arts) and then unschooling for the rest. What the article didn't address well is the difference between unschooling an elementary student vs. a high school student. I think the former is much easier to navigate successfully than the latter.

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    Re: Unschooling
    « Reply #3 on: Yesterday at 08:58:17 PM »
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  • As to record-keeping and curriculum, I created a plan that fulfilled all of our state's requirements, and graded in accord with state standards.  My son's quarterly grade reports and high school transcript (both of which I designed myself) are indistinguishable from those of a public or private day school, you would have to be told that it is from a home school.  I couldn't find any record-keeping tools on the market that did what I wanted to them to do, so I just made my own using a spreadsheet program.  Again, you would have to be told.
    I've read that you should make your transcript clear that it's a homeschool so as to avoid the thought that it might be from a diploma mill.

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    Re: Unschooling
    « Reply #4 on: Yesterday at 11:21:40 PM »
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  • I've read that you should make your transcript clear that it's a homeschool so as to avoid the thought that it might be from a diploma mill.
    I have a portfolio comprised of each quarterly grade report (16 in all for the four-year high school portion) in which, in addition to the letter and percentage grades for each class, I also have a comments section with a recap of all material covered during the quarter for each class.  This can be furnished upon request, for anyone who would have a need to see more detailed information.  This would quickly dispel any notions of the transcript being from a diploma mill.


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    Re: Unschooling
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  • I rejected unschooling because it doesn't follow the time-tested trivium method of learning.  I used my state's high school graduation requirements to design the program and made sure all criteria were met.  Everything else was an elective and my kids all graduated with 22+ extra credits.  And started college/trade school early.  

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    Re: Unschooling
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  • I rejected unschooling because it doesn't follow the time-tested trivium method of learning.  I used my state's high school graduation requirements to design the program and made sure all criteria were met.  Everything else was an elective and my kids all graduated with 22+ extra credits.  And started college/trade school early. 
    We followed the trivium/quadrivium method in a roundabout sort of way, finding ways to highlight it within the state requirements, which in our state are relatively lenient and allow you to use texts of your choosing.  Our nod to astronomy was very brief, as part of our earth science class.  Geometry was utterly enjoyable and basically concerns itself with variations on the theme of 90, 180, and 360 degrees, as well as the role of pi in measuring circles.

    We also did a year-long business and personal finance class, preceded by a half-credit class in economics to meet state requirements.  I tried to make it a "mini-MBA" course (I have one of those), with all major areas covered, accounting, finance, marketing, management, and so on, along with at least half the course load devoted to matters of personal finance.  It was a very good class.

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    Re: Unschooling
    « Reply #7 on: Today at 12:29:22 PM »
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  • In Arizona 1992-2005, homeschooled with SETON Program. I just regret not homeschooling sooner.  I did not know sooner, and the damage done is so bad in public schools!  Our children took the GED and kept going.  One age 50 practically runs the place for Insurance for small groups, another to point of being a nurse, died, and another cares for a hospitals supplies on hand, and son drives the over loads, long bed trucks delivering materials to make homes.

    Some people like to know how kids turn out.  Dr. David Allen White, RIP, reminded homeschoolers, please continue, because the youth sent to the Naval Academy are not reading well. We have to give them remedial before we can continue teaching.  Parent, even if you play cards with your children, they are learning!  Homeschool!


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    Re: Unschooling
    « Reply #8 on: Today at 12:54:31 PM »
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  • My children are 9 years and younger and I guess you could consider my approach similar to unschooling if I’m understanding it correctly.

    I teach them to read, follow a math curriculum and hound them about their handwriting pretty constantly. :fryingpan: Religion is daily. My husband does poetry with them one evening a week and teaches them new art skills when he has time since he’s a good artist and I am not.  I’ll probably get more serious about language arts this next year for my almost 10 yr old.
    Aside from that we do units throughout the year, just one at a time. Right now we are learning the 50 states and in a few weeks we will do the first Unit of “Story of Civilization” by TAN Books. It doesn’t take a huge chunk of every day right now. 

    We live on a farm, my kids spend a great deal of time learning outside. We take every opportunity to teach them as we go about our daily tasks.
    One shows a great interest in birds and we’ve provided her with ample tools and resources to encourage her interest and I’m not exaggerating when I say she could compete with most any ameature adult birder in the state when it comes to knowledge about types of birds, their habits (nest building, mating, migration, lifespan, etc). Her knowledge is immense. She is 8.
    Each of them have their interests and have a natural love of learning. The desire to learn is what our hope is to accomplish with homeschooling early on. With that, they will be intelligent and capable adults.

    Their time spent working on the farm and having a good chunk of free time outdoors gives them a lot of valuable life experience.

    Once we move into the junior high age there will need to be more rigorous study.

    My state has very few requirements for homeschoolers.





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    Re: Unschooling
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  • A very few children might benefit from an unschooling approach at certain times and for certain subjects. I speak here of children with learning disabilities, developmental delays, certain traits of autism, etc. Total and complete unschooling is not good for most children because of the lack of structure. Children need to work within a structure of some sort else they grow up with chaos. Even a cursory reading of the Creation in Genesis reveals God using a structure to create the world from chaos. Even should unschoolers form their own structures, it is liable to leave a person without balance. If I’d had my way as a school child, I’d have studied reading and writing, but not grammar, and only certain topics and authors. Given my choice of languages, I’d have chosen Latin and Hebrew, but neither was offered. I’d have taken lots of history, specifically, Western History, Christian/Church History, Logic, Basics of Philosophy, Ethics, American Civics, Arithmetic, Business math and finance, maybe year one Algebra, Biology, Chemistry, Physics, Gardening, Animal husbandry, Music Theory and Appreciation, Art, Art History and Appreciation, Art technique, A lot more practical classes such as what used to be called Home Economics, cooking, sewing, fiber arts, basic home and auto repair, woodworking, masonry, engineering, wilderness survival. 
    Many of these topics were never touched upon in 13 years of public education. I graduated knowing more about Communism than any other form of government. I read Hegel, Locke, Kant, Hume, Voltaire, Marx, even Alinsky, as in Rules for Radicals. In college, I read these again plus more and worse! So far as classical literature, we didn’t read it, or not much! Perhaps I would have done well with unschooling, only problem is, as a young child, I’d have read little but Eleanor Estes, Carolyn Haywood, and the original Nancy Drew mysteries. Arithmetic, after the very basics, I wouldn’t have bothered at all. I wasn’t terribly interested in cooking, just licking the icing off the whisk! I much preferred sewing, needle craft, climbing trees, playing in the brook, catching toads, crayfish, spiders, snails, earthworms, inchworms, and at the beach, buckets full of fiddler crabs for playthings. Once I caught a blue skink lizard and it ‘accidentally” got loose in the living room. (Talk about chaos!) 
    Kids these days, unschooling will probably consist of TikTok, social media, video games. 

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    Re: Unschooling
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  •  climbing trees, playing in the brook, catching toads, crayfish, spiders, snails, earthworms, inchworms, and at the beach, buckets full of fiddler crabs for playthings. Once I caught a blue skink lizard and it ‘accidentally” got loose in the living room. (Talk about chaos!)
    Kids these days, unschooling will probably consist of TikTok, social media, video games.
    This pretty much describes the childhoods of my DH and myself. Back then it was safe. During summer and Saturdays, we'd leave the house after breakfast and often not return until sundown. Catching tadpoles and frogs in the creek, various creatures at the beach. We had pet mice, rats, hamsters, guinie pigs, various kinds of lizards (bearded dragon) snakes (boa constrictor), a parrot, dogs, cats and for two years an American alligator (illegal). We ate unifentified fruits from neighbor's trees, chewed tar from roofing jobs, played with the mercury from broken thermometers (I know.) Made forts on empty lots. Made lunch to put in a  bandana and walked in the gully to the beach. I think they call this free-range kids. No longer safe. Our sons' favorite creek became off limits after they saw "two dudes doing it in a bush." They were repulsed, as any healthy boys would be.
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